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patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
the reason I am the OP is simple: climbers were hurt in a foreign country and asked for help. give it or don't, I could care less. i don't have money to contribute, but thought I could at least inform people here.

I have to say I have never seen such a mean-spirited, reactionary bunch than many on this site. If you don't beleive the narrative and blogs and such, then don't. but to insist that they are lying from the comfort of your leather arm chair is just sad.

sorry if this makes me Osama, Mr. Knott. I'll run my future posts by you to see if they are aok with your paranoid delusion meter.
LOL
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
I have to say I have never seen such a mean-spirited, reactionary bunch than many on this site.

-written by a leg-humper under the pseudonym "Patrick Compton", whose 2nd-ever post here was flaming a well-liked forum member in very crude fashion, and was apparently deleted because it referenced drinking bodily fluids.

Stay classy.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
whatever dude, you stay classy.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
can't say, or I'll gets banzed again.
fair enough
fair enough

edit: again?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Nobody rocks harder than the Jefe.
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Myself I personally believe their story is credible.

They have nothing to gain by making up lies.

They have a lot of family and friends in the states that would jeopardize their actions of making up a bunch of lies for monetary gains.

They would be verbally flogged and stoned to death if they did that.

As I've explained earlier in this thread I've had direct experience with the Peruvian natives with some of their actions.

In some parts there they will kill you because you're an American.

We had body guards there, 2 whole truck loads of dudes with automatic weapons.

In Columbia we had half our crew kidnapped by the local police and held ransom for money.

Unfortunately for those fools we had a Govt. liaison officer with us who got them immediately released when he came upon the police for fear they would lose their jobs and face a firing squad. :-)

When we were in Mali same thing, police showed up and tried to nail us with some bullsh!t extortion and there we had a govt. liaison officer.

They fled immediately upon seeing his identity.
sempervirens

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Riley,
He's telling you that you made a lot of dumb ass statements on this thread. Go back and read them; they are full of assumptions on which you base conclusions. Sure, there are a lot of spoiled ingnorant Americans travelling in So. America but you don't know the three people in question so judging them based on their being from Jackson Hole is pure prejudice.

Even if an assumption is found later to be correct does that justify judging a person before knowing if the assumption is correct? Look up a definition of prejudice.

Does that help any?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Prior to going on my first trip to SA I read books on traveling in the third world (the interwebs were in their infancy so I had to read actual books). I learned the usual stuff, keep a low profile, don't cruise around sketchy cities at night, etc.

My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

Whoa, that's me in Manila, PI!

Fortunately, I was careful enough in 30 other countries to still be alive today.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Climbers should be good at third world travel - you have to plan how to get from point A to point B every time, and have a clear path to bailing and reversing your moves and never be in a place you can't escape from. I've been in all sorts of remote parts of Colombia and no cop would ever try to kidnap me. A few years ago a cop tried to extort us and I came down hard on him, and know I caused him some problems.

Only time I ever really felt I was over my head was crossing the border from Pak into Afghanistan in 2003. In Jalalabad our bus parked and some guy was sticking his tongue at me through the window from outside. But he didnt come on the bus and I had made friends with the guy behind me who had an AK. Then another time I went to visit an old castle fort in a suburb of Kabul and had to run for my life (literally) from the bandits that lived in it.

Maybe this is just a skill some people have and some people don't. I've encountered theives but crowds like this were always my protectors.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
hilarious story of some other tourists in Peru -its got everything! projectile vomiting, boulders on the road, angry Inca chicks, and police!

http://www.trippytraveller.com/a-few-hours-in-peru/


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
I am curious as to why these three are referred to as "climbers"?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Lol.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
What Werner said. I don't get the long song and dance of speculation. Even if there are clear mistakes that just means they are human like you and me. But anyway, its all just way too unsubstantiated for clear judgement.


What might have been a bad move, on somebody's part anyway, is to leverage the story / our sympathies for money even if the intention was purely noble. And I'm referring strictly to the use of a public forum. I still don't understand why in such a case you don't simply pass the hat around friends and family - the people who actually know them and have a direct relationship of responsibility and trust.

I'm sure the intention was good but I hope people think it out a bit first next time.

I kind of wonder if it was simply a knee jerk reaction and critical weakness of the "Blog" generation / culture. I think these blogs are cool and certainly useful for telling your story and there is no definite need to keep it out of the public sphere either, but I think there might be a line that shouldn't be crossed without a high degree of transparency and accountability.

certainly that line would involve the soliciting of public funds. I'm sure there's other things as well best left private.

Anyway, interesting little bit of pop culture meets third world reality. Maybe it would make a good Paris Hilton reality TV show? I'm going to give Mark Burnet a call right now!

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:49pm PT

"i just don't want to spend a bunch of money to travel someplace i can't go out after dark. this does not sound like fun to me"...

But it does sound like a LOT of places in the USA...

;-)

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Unfortunately they didn't put all the mountains and surf breaks in upscale suburbs, so some of us have to go places that get a little sketchy after nightfall.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
I was thinking the same thing Locker.

I remember taking a wrong turn in New Orleans (before Katrina) and getting culture shock. Please note that I've traveled before that in third world countries, Africa, etc. and never suffered such a mind altering reality.

What I saw were blocks of houses with dirt floors, no glass windows. Trash all over the place, obviously never picked up, never serviced. A real third world slum right here on U.S. soil. I never expected that. Ever. Especially being so close to the fancy tourist streets of New Orleans.

I knew we had poor in our country, but I didn't realize how poor. Folks here in California still have plumbing, floors, a fridge. These poor souls didn't. I honestly didn't know that was possible here in the U.S. Boy was I very wrong.

Yes, and the natives watching us drive by didn't look friendly. I am sure if we had broken down or simply stopped, I would be another statistic, one of the missing people that are never found.



graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
I am curious as to why these three are referred to as "climbers"?

Because they are climbers. They climb rocks and mountains. With ropes and stuff.

There are many climbing pictures on their blog before the attack.






















Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
"the reason I am the OP is simple: climbers were hurt in a foreign country and asked for help"

Well Patrick Compton, in an interview with a paper in Jackson, Jenny claimed they never asked for the fund to be set up.

So if they didn't ask for the money, who did?


Also, t*r, we don't need Grey's Anatomy gif's. We get your opinion on this already.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Dave, nice blog link up thread. That's how things should turn out. Discomfort and inconvenience but amused understanding at the same time. Of course, he only soiled himself and didn't lose any teeth.
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