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PopLockeAndDropIt

Gym climber
Hialeah, FLORIDA
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:01am PT
It's cool brah, keep mouth breathin' away....
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:10am PT
Anyone know how many sites the original "Help Climbers in Peru" OP was essentially cross-posted to with the following link?

https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/peru-fund-help-jenny-meghan-and-jed

The OP on MP is very similar to this one, yet from a different person. That person appears to be a member since 2008 (as opposed to one day here). Was there some sort of orchestrated effort to spam various sites with a link for $$ as opposed to simply linking the "Nightmare in Peru" blog post from the Adventure Americas website?

It would be interesting to know who the people are who basically just posted that donation link around the internet, and how well they are known in real life. We know nothing about "Patrick Compton" (almost certainly knott his real name), other than the fact that he appears to have a huge hard-on for Jeremy A.
hootowl

Mountain climber
VA
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:28am PT
I have been reading this story since page 1 because it's fascinating. At first I thought Riley was jumping to conclusions, "rushing to judgment," and being an all-around dick. But here is an account of the incident written in an email by Jed Wolfrom to one of his friends that reads substantially differently from the one posted by his sister and linked on the first page of this LONG thread. Riley cut a sentence or two of this email from Jed in one of his previous posts, but I thought the whole thing was worth preserving. Reading this, I have to say that Riley's scepticism turns out to have been well-placed. I am more gullible I guess. I felt sorry for the travelers for the first couple of pages of this thread, then started questioning their motives, and now feel that Riley was right all along! Jed's description of the incident pasted below is from the comments to http://www.planetjh.com/news/A_109001.aspx

Here is a private message from Jed. Notice how aggressive his version of the story is, while his sister's story is more desperate. Jed and his crew needs to stay in Wyoming. Here it is: Hello yall , hope your new years was well. Ours was not so good and is pretty much your worse nightmare of travel. After hiking for 4 days in the rain and snow we were heading back to cusco and decided to pull down a dirt road to camp for the night. This was no different then what we had done for thee last 9 months. After drinking a beer two dudes showed up on bikes and we started talking to them, they seemed cool , still nothing out of the usual. By now it was 7 and dark and we noticed a lot of lights coming from the hills and the two guys started whisling to the folks in the hills. In 5 minutes we were surroneded by 20 villagers who were demanding our papers. Not being police I said no , they freaked oout and we jumped into the truck and hualed ass out of their as they through rocks at the trucks. The road dead ended about ten minutes later in a small town . we asked if we could camp in the town and they said no so we turned around. At this point we are pretty freaked out because we have to head back too the mob to get to the road. About 5 minutes down the road we hit oour first road block were the villagers had piled rocks and ssticks in the road. I rammed the yota threw and gunned it around thee corner all wile villagers where throwing rocks at the car . I hit the next road block in a couple of minutes that was made up of three large stones, none rammable so I stoped and yelled tranquillo no prolemo and tried to talk too theem. They came to the drivers side and smashed the window in with a rock and split jennys head open. I gunned it and tried to drive around. Unfourtunatly I hit a 3 foot deep ditch and nearly rrolled the truck. We where stuck. Soon we were swarmed and the villagers began smashing windows lights, everthing. We grabed oour 2 cans or bear spray and jumped of the truck scared sh#t less. We sprayed down a bunch of folks but there where to many. Soon we were being smashed with rocks and sticks soo we ran into the fields. Being chased. We ran and fought for about half an hour intilll we were surrounded by about 30 people . At this point i was nocked out and we were all badly beten. The villlages grabed us and took us to there village were we were surroned and interrogated for the rest of the night at gun point they were trying to decide if they should kill us. at one point they shot just past our heads. I thoougth I was about to watch my sister and wife get killed many times that night. We were wipped and beaten through out the night and at some point they made us sign a confesionn that we were drunk and crashed our car. By day brake they pushed us off to our car and 15 villagers waited for the cops to show up so that we would tell them that we had in fact ccrashed our car. While we were being beaten they had rran sacked the truk and stole about 10,000 dollars worth of our sh#t and most of our documents and bank cards. Windows all smashed lights smashed and everything f*#ked. One fake village cope showed up and interrogated us and tried to get us to return to the village I refused and at this point I was f*#king scared were dead again. Thank god 4 real cops showed up about 10 minutess later wiith semi autos . never been so happy to see Peruvian cops in my llife. We played along with the yes wee were drunk and crashed the car but thee cops new better. It was obvoiuus the truck had been ran sacked and the dumb as villagers had not removed the road block. Thee cops made the villagers push me oout of the ditch , f*#king yota drove out, amazing vehicle wait till you see how stuck wee were. The cops drove us out to a local sh#t hole hospital. We have about a hundered stiches between the three of us. I have 2 and half nocked out teeth, a massive black eye a destroyed lip a small fracture in the base oof my skull and a sh#t ton oof bruises.meg has a bunch of stiches in her head and so does jenny and both are covered with scratches and bruises from being beaten and whipped . we are all inn a lot of pain and have spent the last two days in the hospital. We are in cusco now and bought a computer yesterday so we can communicate. At this point I donít really no what is happening with the rest of our trip. We have to stay here intilll thusday to do police stuff, then we are all going to lima to get jenny a new passport so she can fly home. The stupid f*#ks could not open our lock box so we have our passports but nothing else but two hidden atm cards. We have decided that we are done with the third world so no Bolivia for us. We will just head to chile . at this point we will decided if we are stable enough to finish this trip. We might just head to bueanous aires and ship home. We donít know. I am not sure about Dakar, I want to go but I might need to come back to do some moore police stuff. I just want some f*#king village suffereiing to go on now. So I will do what I can to make sure that happens. I have very little faith iin Peruvian cops but there seems to be a lot of pissed ooff people about this one. I also donít know how long its going to take to get the truck back as it is being held hostage in front of the police station about two hours from hear in the middle of town with no windows, should be interesting see whats left in the truck when we get it back. Thenn of course we have to get all new windows and fix some stuff. So yeah we are happy to be alive but really f*#ked up mentally and physically. Both the girls woke up numerous times last night screaming. Not sure if camping will happen again for a while. Meg agrees that hanging around a lot of positive people at the Dakar might do some good but we cant commit yet. At this point we are just day to day. I have never had to fight for my life and ii have never seen such violence and I have never felt like I was going to die like that. This is your mothers worse nightmare. I have not told my mom the full extent, she thinks our truck was broken into. I donít want her to worry needlessly about my sister intill she is home. So she will find out when jenny returns to the states. So iam trying to keep the face book lo key for now. Megs mom knows all. For now I would be happy to go back to the village and do some killing with soe oof my green beray buddys but I donít think that will happen. Any ho carefull where you camp and I will fill you in on all the gory details latter. jed
Jed's bad friend






"For now I would be happy to go back to the village and do some killing with soe oof my green beray buddys".....Faced against an attitude like Jed's, I could probably rouse a good number of angry villagers too. Hope his account goes as public as Jenny's, because THAT is bullsh#t, folks. Two first-hand accounts, and still no reasoning or guesses as to how this violence was ignited??
Andrew

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:39am PT
Is there any credible evidence to show that Jed actually wrote that?

Seems hard to believe, and it's shockingly illiterate for a 30-something year old.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:49am PT
and it's shockingly illiterate for a 30-something year old.

Them Nigerians aren't all well edificated.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:50am PT
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!1111
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2013 - 11:52am PT
The OP on MP is very similar to this one, yet from a different person. That person appears to be a member since 2008 (as opposed to one day here). Was there some sort of orchestrated effort to spam various sites with a link for $$ as opposed to simply linking the "Nightmare in Peru" blog post from the Adventure Americas website?

It would be interesting to know who the people are who basically just posted that donation link around the internet, and how well they are known in real life. We know nothing about "Patrick Compton" (almost certainly knott his real name), other than the fact that he appears to have a huge hard-on for Jeremy A.

I am a real person. Are you, Mr. Hardman Knott?

I have never had or seen such a reaction to simply starting a thread by linking to another website. Is this some sort of taliban-level activity to people on this site?

I was going to put some personal info and photos, but with paranoid people like you and the others a few pages back have made me re-think that.

I thought people like myself that live out of a van and climb most days would be the paranoid ones, but this site has opened my eyes to paranoid delusions that inhabit the cubicle, Matrix-land many of you inhabit.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 11:59am PT
Yep, my name is Hardman Knott, Mr "Patrick Compton".

Usually when people create new accounts here and immediately commence flaming someone, they are banned.
Knott sure how or why you fell through the cracks. I might have to look into that, LOL
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2013 - 12:02pm PT
the reason I am the OP is simple: climbers were hurt in a foreign country and asked for help. give it or don't, I could care less. i don't have money to contribute, but thought I could at least inform people here.

I have to say I have never seen such a mean-spirited, reactionary bunch than many on this site. If you don't beleive the narrative and blogs and such, then don't. but to insist that they are lying from the comfort of your leather arm chair is just sad.

sorry if this makes me Osama, Mr. Knott. I'll run my future posts by you to see if they are aok with your paranoid delusion meter.
LOL
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
I have to say I have never seen such a mean-spirited, reactionary bunch than many on this site.

-written by a leg-humper under the pseudonym "Patrick Compton", whose 2nd-ever post here was flaming a well-liked forum member in very crude fashion, and was apparently deleted because it referenced drinking bodily fluids.

Stay classy.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 8, 2013 - 12:13pm PT
whatever dude, you stay classy.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
can't say, or I'll gets banzed again.
fair enough
fair enough

edit: again?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
Nobody rocks harder than the Jefe.
WBraun

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:31pm PT
Myself I personally believe their story is credible.

They have nothing to gain by making up lies.

They have a lot of family and friends in the states that would jeopardize their actions of making up a bunch of lies for monetary gains.

They would be verbally flogged and stoned to death if they did that.

As I've explained earlier in this thread I've had direct experience with the Peruvian natives with some of their actions.

In some parts there they will kill you because you're an American.

We had body guards there, 2 whole truck loads of dudes with automatic weapons.

In Columbia we had half our crew kidnapped by the local police and held ransom for money.

Unfortunately for those fools we had a Govt. liaison officer with us who got them immediately released when he came upon the police for fear they would lose their jobs and face a firing squad. :-)

When we were in Mali same thing, police showed up and tried to nail us with some bullsh!t extortion and there we had a govt. liaison officer.

They fled immediately upon seeing his identity.
sempervirens

climber
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Riley,
He's telling you that you made a lot of dumb ass statements on this thread. Go back and read them; they are full of assumptions on which you base conclusions. Sure, there are a lot of spoiled ingnorant Americans travelling in So. America but you don't know the three people in question so judging them based on their being from Jackson Hole is pure prejudice.

Even if an assumption is found later to be correct does that justify judging a person before knowing if the assumption is correct? Look up a definition of prejudice.

Does that help any?
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Prior to going on my first trip to SA I read books on traveling in the third world (the interwebs were in their infancy so I had to read actual books). I learned the usual stuff, keep a low profile, don't cruise around sketchy cities at night, etc.

My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

Whoa, that's me in Manila, PI!

Fortunately, I was careful enough in 30 other countries to still be alive today.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Climbers should be good at third world travel - you have to plan how to get from point A to point B every time, and have a clear path to bailing and reversing your moves and never be in a place you can't escape from. I've been in all sorts of remote parts of Colombia and no cop would ever try to kidnap me. A few years ago a cop tried to extort us and I came down hard on him, and know I caused him some problems.

Only time I ever really felt I was over my head was crossing the border from Pak into Afghanistan in 2003. In Jalalabad our bus parked and some guy was sticking his tongue at me through the window from outside. But he didnt come on the bus and I had made friends with the guy behind me who had an AK. Then another time I went to visit an old castle fort in a suburb of Kabul and had to run for my life (literally) from the bandits that lived in it.

Maybe this is just a skill some people have and some people don't. I've encountered theives but crowds like this were always my protectors.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
hilarious story of some other tourists in Peru -its got everything! projectile vomiting, boulders on the road, angry Inca chicks, and police!

http://www.trippytraveller.com/a-few-hours-in-peru/


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
I am curious as to why these three are referred to as "climbers"?
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