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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:44pm PT
Prior to going on my first trip to SA I read books on traveling in the third world (the interwebs were in their infancy so I had to read actual books). I learned the usual stuff, keep a low profile, don't cruise around sketchy cities at night, etc.

My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
My first night I went out and totally raged, hooked up with a local girl and drunkenly made my way across the city to my hotel at like 3 in the morning! I hardly spoke any Spanish at the time. So friggen stupid, but males in their early 20s don't always make the best decisions.

Whoa, that's me in Manila, PI!

Fortunately, I was careful enough in 30 other countries to still be alive today.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 8, 2013 - 12:59pm PT
Climbers should be good at third world travel - you have to plan how to get from point A to point B every time, and have a clear path to bailing and reversing your moves and never be in a place you can't escape from. I've been in all sorts of remote parts of Colombia and no cop would ever try to kidnap me. A few years ago a cop tried to extort us and I came down hard on him, and know I caused him some problems.

Only time I ever really felt I was over my head was crossing the border from Pak into Afghanistan in 2003. In Jalalabad our bus parked and some guy was sticking his tongue at me through the window from outside. But he didnt come on the bus and I had made friends with the guy behind me who had an AK. Then another time I went to visit an old castle fort in a suburb of Kabul and had to run for my life (literally) from the bandits that lived in it.

Maybe this is just a skill some people have and some people don't. I've encountered theives but crowds like this were always my protectors.
dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:00pm PT
hilarious story of some other tourists in Peru -its got everything! projectile vomiting, boulders on the road, angry Inca chicks, and police!

http://www.trippytraveller.com/a-few-hours-in-peru/


philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
I am curious as to why these three are referred to as "climbers"?
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
Lol.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
What Werner said. I don't get the long song and dance of speculation. Even if there are clear mistakes that just means they are human like you and me. But anyway, its all just way too unsubstantiated for clear judgement.


What might have been a bad move, on somebody's part anyway, is to leverage the story / our sympathies for money even if the intention was purely noble. And I'm referring strictly to the use of a public forum. I still don't understand why in such a case you don't simply pass the hat around friends and family - the people who actually know them and have a direct relationship of responsibility and trust.

I'm sure the intention was good but I hope people think it out a bit first next time.

I kind of wonder if it was simply a knee jerk reaction and critical weakness of the "Blog" generation / culture. I think these blogs are cool and certainly useful for telling your story and there is no definite need to keep it out of the public sphere either, but I think there might be a line that shouldn't be crossed without a high degree of transparency and accountability.

certainly that line would involve the soliciting of public funds. I'm sure there's other things as well best left private.

Anyway, interesting little bit of pop culture meets third world reality. Maybe it would make a good Paris Hilton reality TV show? I'm going to give Mark Burnet a call right now!

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:49pm PT

"i just don't want to spend a bunch of money to travel someplace i can't go out after dark. this does not sound like fun to me"...

But it does sound like a LOT of places in the USA...

;-)

ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Jan 8, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
Unfortunately they didn't put all the mountains and surf breaks in upscale suburbs, so some of us have to go places that get a little sketchy after nightfall.
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
I was thinking the same thing Locker.

I remember taking a wrong turn in New Orleans (before Katrina) and getting culture shock. Please note that I've traveled before that in third world countries, Africa, etc. and never suffered such a mind altering reality.

What I saw were blocks of houses with dirt floors, no glass windows. Trash all over the place, obviously never picked up, never serviced. A real third world slum right here on U.S. soil. I never expected that. Ever. Especially being so close to the fancy tourist streets of New Orleans.

I knew we had poor in our country, but I didn't realize how poor. Folks here in California still have plumbing, floors, a fridge. These poor souls didn't. I honestly didn't know that was possible here in the U.S. Boy was I very wrong.

Yes, and the natives watching us drive by didn't look friendly. I am sure if we had broken down or simply stopped, I would be another statistic, one of the missing people that are never found.



graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:26pm PT
I am curious as to why these three are referred to as "climbers"?

Because they are climbers. They climb rocks and mountains. With ropes and stuff.

There are many climbing pictures on their blog before the attack.






















Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
"the reason I am the OP is simple: climbers were hurt in a foreign country and asked for help"

Well Patrick Compton, in an interview with a paper in Jackson, Jenny claimed they never asked for the fund to be set up.

So if they didn't ask for the money, who did?


Also, t*r, we don't need Grey's Anatomy gif's. We get your opinion on this already.
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Dave, nice blog link up thread. That's how things should turn out. Discomfort and inconvenience but amused understanding at the same time. Of course, he only soiled himself and didn't lose any teeth.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
the reason I am the OP is simple: climbers were hurt in a foreign country and asked for help"

Well Patrick Compton, in an interview with a paper in Jackson, Jenny claimed they never asked for the fund to be set up.

So if they didn't ask for the money, who did?

That was also in the Jackson newspaper in the same article.

http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=9416

Adams said the stranded group didnít ask anyone to launch the fundraising campaign. It was created by friends and family in the U.S.

More in a second article.

http://www.jhnewsandguide.com/article.php?art_id=9411

A friend, Rachel Segien, has set up a fund to aid them online, and the effort is in its second phase at CrowdTilt.com. An initial crowd-funding effort, which saw 265 contributors giving $15,787, was closed so the trio could access the funds.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:05pm PT






graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:08pm PT
All of those who claimed they weren't climbers... we'll see how many of them are willing to admit they were wrong.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
Glad you posted those GC. I found the questioning of whether they were climbers odd. And even if they weren't climbers, they are still fellow human beings.
AKDOG

Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:21pm PT
As with everything there is probably another side to this story, but blaming the victims for being Patagonia poster models is wrong. Asking for money seems to be the new norm now, as is carrying enough electronic equipment to keep you wired and blog about your every move, if they can get people to pay to replace their gear and maybe even make enough money to continue their trip more power to them.

sht happens, anyone who has traveled in a third world country knows this, hopefully they will be okay. The bad luck for these folks is that when they first drove off they didnít drive back the way they came and jump on a main road. This could make a good movie (with a little Hollywood, "the hills have eyes" twist), more entertaining than watching a guy saw off his forearm.
pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:22pm PT
I dunno granite, is that the Black Corridor I see? I only see more accusations of unfettered wealth and opulence in their future.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Jan 8, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Thanks, I found them through the blog. http://adventureamericas.wordpress.com/2013/01/03/nightmare-in-peru/

There are many hundreds, maybe thousands of pics.

We like to think that bad things won't happen to us. This makes it easy to blame victims because it allows us to tell ourselves that it would never happen to us--we are too smart.

I see people here congratulating themselves on their superior sense and skills. They forget that they were also just lucky.
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