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locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:40am PT


"Keep your heads up when you travel, and if your sh#t gets stolen don't be a douche bag and ask (or let your f/f ask) the rest of the world to replace your iFukall."...

+1

Derrell Licht

climber
Around
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:45am PT
It's pretty awful to watch virtually defenseless people get stoned by a blood-thirsty mob. I mean, of course, by all the jerk keyboard warriors and forum trolls. You should all be deeply ashamed of yourselves; how ironic that what you're doing is exactly the same mob behavior. I've personally been involved in an incident much like this one and know exactly what it feels like to narrowly escape with your life and then proceed to get bombarded by a bunch of asshats who try to construe every bit of information they can get their greasy hands on to discredit you and call you a liar, douchebag, or moron. It's just awful in every sense of the word. Awful. Some hapless people were involved in an episode in which some sort of misunderstanding or shake-down for cash led to them getting the crap beat out of them. So the F what? Why does it matter to you? Maybe just try a gesture of a decent human being and wish them well on their way. The endless speculation is disgusting. You might end up sitting around a fire with them one day or crashing at their house or maybe they'll be the next ones down the descent and help you with a stuck rope; they are probably some of the kindest and most well-meaning folks around. Then you'll be the one to feel like a complete knob and hopefully it will cause you to correct your life for the better in the future. Except that most of the negativity probably comes from those who struggle to climb into an office chair and bore the internet with their drivel and the content of their sad and unfulfilled brains.

Full disclosure: I used to be a ST poster and bailed out because of the insensitive, childish, know-it-all twits who populate this place. I still lurk but attitudes like this are what drive people away from here.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 7, 2013 - 01:00am PT
http://www.supertopo.com/inc/view_forum.php?dcid=Ozk-NDc3JSUi

Are you related to Krista Goodsitt by any chance?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:32am PT
Quoting .broski$ from Jan 6 2013 4:48:56:
I very much support this idea, he is one of the biggest f*#kers on this site. Arguing that Peruvians deserve their poverty? Are you f*#king kidding me? Dolan, do you honestly believe people on one continent are inherently different than you and not products of their circumstances? You sound like someone who supports slavery and master race ideology, jesus.

Actually yes. These motherf*#kers are a different f*#king species from me. They were slaves during the Mayan period and they deserve to be slaves now. The climbers should have run those f*#kers over and filmed it. I would have enjoyed watching the Peruvian equivalent of occupy Wall Street getting what they deserve
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:38am PT
Quoting HashBlazer420 from Jan 5 2013 3:21:25:
Give me an AK and a plane ticket. I want to kill every single f*#ker in that village.
Exactly how i feel after reading that story...i'd drop a couple nuclear bombs on their f*#kin village
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:40am PT
Quoting accualyisdolan from Jan 6 2013 11:59:33:
Who the f*#k are you btw? Telling us that the climbers deserved what they got. I believe that humans have morals. These Peruvians don't. To me the fact that these people did this to the climbers isn't only a reason why they deserve to be poor... It's a reason why they are poor. They are not a different race from me. They are a different species
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:42am PT
Quoting B-runge$ from Jan 5 2013 4:49:24:
Damn, I would have no problem burning that entire village to the ground and leaving those people with nothing(as long as no one got hurt). What a bunch of genuinely shitty human beings...


http://www.newschoolers.com/ns/forums/readthread/thread_id/727407/page/2/

Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 7, 2013 - 03:53am PT
just tends to confirm that the villagers are sticking to their story,

Blahblah, don't you mean travelers?


and also a quick fading of the 15 minutes fame

Happiegrrrl, amen to that
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Jan 7, 2013 - 04:24am PT
Riley,

What's the point of scouring the Internet for stupid opinions and troll posts and collecting them here?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:16am PT
Crock - Well, the first time it was to show a different opinion to the ST masses who, at first, had the reading comprehension and critical thinking skills of snails on this subject. Actually if your bullshit detector did not go off twelve different ways when reading the initial story I think perhaps that comparing you to a snail is an insult to a snail...lol..lol
Whether it is the disease of false equivalency or ignorance it is no longer a mystery to me why we can not solve any of this countries or this worlds problems and ST threads continue on in endless idiocy.

These last posts, well it probably has something to do with the damage these lies can cause and how vapid the average American is concerning this story and other cultures.
Does it not concern you that these troglodytes can be so moved to war and murder by the fabricated tale of a few traveling twits?
Does it not cause you worry how easily the ignorant masses are manipulated - do you not see a correlations between this episode and an 89 percent approval rating for the Iraq war; a Nations blessing of the future destruction of an entire country and a million lives?

Or the ability of entire legions of steaming, sh#t covered, Americans to look the other way when their country dropped millions of bombs on Laos a few decades ago?

Perhaps it might give you pause, once our wasteful and piggish nation uses up much of the worlds oil, that this nationalistic ignorance will be easily manipulated again to drop bombs on the poor brown people of the world?


Scouring? reading 20 posts on another climbing website or news story is now scouring? lol Has reading and thinking for yourself really become that difficult a proposition?

I grow tired with the white ways - the ways of the Yankee and the war hungry and ignorant American! Soon I will take a Mayan name from my children's heritage or perhaps an Assiniboine name of my grandfathers heritage.
And I will purge the white devil from my soul.


bahahahahaha

just kidding man

I just posteed them because ...Isn't it obvious? - we should kill these savages!!!
How dare they attack America?

lollollol
Bargainhunter

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:25am PT
What Derrell Licht said.
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 7, 2013 - 05:26am PT
where is the OP. Patrick Compton these days?

Lurking my own post.

Opinions are like a$$holes... everyone on here has one.

Fun to watch. Fascinating how many like to criticize the travelers for their belongings and how they acted. Most people reading this would have taken patagucci sh#t, iPhones and pads and reacted to aggression with fear and responded with aggression, just like they did.
Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:27am PT
Slayton and others. Perhaps I myself am guilty of being subjective concerning this issue, and even judgmental. It’s not like I despise these three people. But what gets my goat is the crassness in the way they have been trying to raise funds, and not only for their troubles in Peru.

It seems to me, 'seems' I repeat, that they have been wanting people to pay for their holiday, ie a free camper van, is that true? If there was sponsorship involved, okay, but I wonder…

As for their story, something doesn’t sit right with me.

As I mentioned before, I’d like to hear the other side of the story, if possible.

I posted earlier that if I had the resources that a) I could get someone to look after Jennie to b) travel to Peru to c) find an interpreter/local to d) interview the villagers to e) see what their side of the story is… there just about always are two sides (if not more) to a story.

Not blowing my own horn but I have interviewed presidents and prime ministers, captains of industry, union leaders, celebrities, and just ‘regular’ people. I have always strived to be objective in my interviews. That said I have had (dickhead) editors change my copy to their taste/liking/slant. I am never happy with that. I am an experienced interviewer.

There must be some journalist in Peru who could go to the village and interview the villagers. Perhaps there has been such an interview, but I have yet to find it.

The links by chichalimona explains some

http://chichalimona.blogspot.ie/2013/01/what-really-happened-in-ocongate.html

http://www.radiosicuani.org.pe/nacional/item/168-turistas-norteamericanos-fueron-agredidos-por-comuneros-de-pallca-en-quispicanchi.html

http://www.meganoticias.net/cusco-turistas-estadounidenses-fueron-golpeados-por-campesinos-de-ocongate/

http://www.aatccusco.com/boletin.php


Though my Spanish is very rusty.

My gut feeling tells me that there is more to this story than the three travelers are telling.

Cheers, and safe climbing, wherever you are.

Patrick
crock

Trad climber
The Windiest Mountain, Wyoming
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:45am PT
Riley,

Those first quotes brought to light some interesting original material, particularly Jed's alleged intercepted Facebook messages.

The second ones do in fact illustrate that there are stupid people and trolls on the Internet, but if someone doesn't already know that I don't think there's much point in devoting part of this thread to convincing them.

Just my opinion, though, thanks for explaining!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 7, 2013 - 05:59am PT
There is an element about the three travelers and their story that reminds me of the inexperienced people who can afford to buy a ticket to climb Everest. They crave the adventure but have no idea what they are really getting into.
.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:19am PT
Credit: Don Paul
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:35am PT
Port-a-John
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 7, 2013 - 06:53am PT
ROTFLOL Don Paul, great post.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Jan 7, 2013 - 07:09am PT
posted by some Derrell Licht

"It's pretty awful to watch virtually defenseless people get stoned by a blood-thirsty mob. I mean, of course, by all the jerk keyboard warriors and forum trolls. You should all be deeply ashamed of yourselves; how ironic that what you're doing is exactly the same mob behavior. I've personally been involved in an incident much like this one and know exactly what it feels like to narrowly escape with your life and then proceed to get bombarded by a bunch of asshats who try to construe every bit of information they can get their greasy hands on to discredit you and call you a liar, douchebag, or moron. It's just awful in every sense of the word. Awful. Some hapless people were involved in an episode in which some sort of misunderstanding or shake-down for cash led to them getting the crap beat out of them. So the F what? Why does it matter to you? Maybe just try a gesture of a decent human being and wish them well on their way. The endless speculation is disgusting. You might end up sitting around a fire with them one day or crashing at their house or maybe they'll be the next ones down the descent and help you with a stuck rope; they are probably some of the kindest and most well-meaning folks around. Then you'll be the one to feel like a complete knob and hopefully it will cause you to correct your life for the better in the future. Except that most of the negativity probably comes from those who struggle to climb into an office chair and bore the internet with their drivel and the content of their sad and unfulfilled brains."


"Full disclosure: I used to be a ST poster and bailed out because of the insensitive, childish, know-it-all twits who populate this place. I still lurk but attitudes like this are what drive people away from here."


Woke up to this irony- it cracked me up.

Stay away whiner , know it all, name caller,speculator. Its those weak individuals who think only what they have to say is important. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I cant stand people who come and go and complain about this place. F*#king hilarious!

Edit: we are all individuals and dont need to do things YOUR WAY!
there is no right or wrong, just Life and Death

just a wild guess - but are you a christian Derrel Licht ?
PopLockeAndDropIt

Gym climber
Dirty South
Jan 7, 2013 - 07:21am PT
The fact that anyone here is quoting internet comments as something even close to resembling insight or fact is laughable.
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