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John M

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:01pm PT
Thank you Drewsky. I don't know who you are, but this is almost exactly what I was thinking but just didn't have the ability to express. So thank you for putting my thoughts into words and expressing it so well.

John M

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
Patrick-
I took it to mean factual as in a summation of the stated events of the case, not that each stated event was fact in and of itself. I liked it as such.

This is how I interpreted his post.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:08pm PT
Lost in all this is the simple fact that public funds have been solicited with a very poor effort at accountability and transparency.


Sympathy (or lack of) is not the issue. Where are the funds going and for what purpose?

What assurances exist that what is stated about the funding objectives is true?


If this was clearly defined we could make our decision to contribute or not.

It is not be a morality issue, it is a integrity of process issue.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
^^^^
Sort of like building a gondola through a public park, eh?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
Yes Anders - precisely like that. You have my support on that point.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
you all should be donating to SOE!!!!We are OUT OF LOBSTER, and im still negotiating for those tahoe lobsters! Send your donations today--there are STARVING members of the expedition that anxiously await yur help,, thanks in advance,, RDA, Chairman,, SOE!
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
I like drewsy's summation of what's gone down on this thread.
But maybe drewsy was composing his post when this little bomb dropped:

It turns out the other side is that they were tresspassing, never asked permission. When villagers approached them to determine what was going on the Americans started the violence by pushing the villagers out of the way, almost ran over one, pepper sprayed them, then drove up a dead end road. Villagers places rocks across the road to stop their return. The Americans crashed over this barrier at high speed. They threw rocks at the truck, but the Americans didn't seem to clue in they should stop and behave properly in someone else's country. Larger boulders were placed on the road, the Americans approached this at high speed and at the last minute drove off the road and crashed causing injuries to the Americans. So now we have violence against the villagers, a car crash hence property damage and injured passengers. They were taken to the village, the National Police were called and they were asked to fill a report about what happened. The Americans claim they were “forced off the road” - untrue, they chose to drive off road. They claim injuries by the villagers, untrue, it was a car crash that did that. No guns were used, unlike the exaggerated story being told. They claim they were somhow intimidatated into signing a false report, when in fact the report was quite true, they crashed their truck and were injured.
expatperu

Of course, nothing is confirmed.

I've teeter totteder back and forth on this whole deal, not wanting to judge.

Dream trip, for sure, turned into a nightmare.

Their trip could've very easily turned nightmarish in Northern Baja where they camped. The horror stories from that region are very real.
And a little further south, in Baja Sur, where they were 100 miles of the highway on the backroad to Scorpion Bay, without any real knowledge of a desolate road.
Or ON THE BEACH at First Point at Scorps. Suprising a local didn't kick their asses, much less, a surfer.
On and on, all the way down through Mexico, Central America, and South America.
Even for seasoned Latin American roadtrippers, much less some kids residing in "lifestyle destination" towns, this is a trip where anything could happen at any time...and finally did.

I hope they heal up and find themselves safe back in Jackson or Moab soon.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
Don't want to sound too repetitive but, but blah is right for once


None of us know what the hell happened--those who pretend to are giant trolls or complete fools, I can't tell which.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
I don't see what insight can be gained, however, by endlessly lambasting them on this forum

That is sort of funny (that somebody would come to the taco looking for insight rather than entertainment.)
John M

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
That is sort of funny (that somebody would come to the taco looking for insight rather than entertainment.)

Is this insight, or entertainment.

Or perhaps both.

I tend to find both on the taco.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
I hope they heal up and find themselves safe back in Jackson or Moab soon.
Don't forget Boulder!

But regarding this point:
I like drewsy's summation of what's gone down on this thread.
But maybe drewsy was composing his post when this little bomb dropped:
[villagers account . . .]

Don't see how that is a bombshell at all, just tends to confirm that the villagers are sticking to their story, which seems implausible (for instance, why would they have signed the account saying they were drinking and crashed their truck, even if it were somewhat true, but for duress? And does it really seem likely that they successfully made it as far as they had, even though they do seem somewhat clueless, by driving around drunk?).

But I don't want to retract from my no-one-knows-what-the-hell-happened stance, expressed by others and quoted with approval by my friend zBrown (friend at least until the the Trayvon Martin story heats up again, then we'll see!)
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:54pm PT
Well, one thing... To use that fundraiser platform instead of simply setting up a direct PayPal(or heaven forbid going to a bank and setting up a trust) puts 2.5% of all donations into the pocket of the website.

So...$20,000 - the website gets $500.

Also, every donation includes a 2.5% credit card processing fee on top of their donation.

I know I have learned a little from this thread, if I were ever to be traveling in other countries, to do research and understand as clearly as I could, how to manage myself.

I will say that I have read some of the blog posts, and was pretty surprised to see an attitude sort of like "ewwww," even after having been supposedly immersed for several months. I guess a nice metal shell, e-lectronics and neon outerwear acts as a bit of shield from that immersive experience.


Nonetheless, I do wish them a full recovery, and also a quick fading of the 15 minutes fame.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 6, 2013 - 02:59pm PT
simply setting up a direct PayPal

They have had a donation link on their blogsite - it says "Donate: Buy us a taco or a tank!"
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:12pm PT
Yes, I know about that one - I refer to this recent campaign.

t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:14pm PT
in all fairness, a post from jed's sister said that the paypal link was for family to send gifts... a few pages back, i posted a link to her comment stating that.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
My point is, they had a system in place to accept funds (or a taco). That's been there and available to anyone who wants to use it. Noting it is not a value judgement. Heck, many people use these sorts of links. Why would pointing that out appear unfair?

There is simply no need for them to start any new links to donations. Nothing unfair in pointing that out.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
In all fairness, asking others for money because your trip went horribly wrong is absurd... especially if you are replacing iPhuns and sh#t.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Credit: zYorkie de Merced

As long as we're pointing things out, I'd like to ask who would you rather send money to, John Long or Los Tres Peruvian Amigo/Amigas? or our former President elect?












t*r

Mountain climber
where the wild things are
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
woops! sorry crimpergirl, i thought it was a comment about something else. my mistake!


There is simply no need for them to start any new links to donations. Nothing unfair in pointing that out.


agree, but they didn't start the link to the tilt fund... i think the disorganization shows the haste with which the fundraising effort was put together.

Send

Trad climber
Central Sierra
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:54pm PT
I wonder if the 'villagers' heard about the Newtown Conn. tragedy? And what they think of us?
Something like...."fancy clothes, electronics, money, look at what they eat and they shoot each other?"
They must be like WTF?
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