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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 8, 2013 - 11:06pm PT
Now, Riley,

Before you go... DON'T BE LIGHT !

You should always be willing to take it, whatever it is.

Q - How much more can we take ?

A - All of it.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:10am PT
Yeah, Riley, until tomorrow. LOL.

Goodnight! :-)
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 09:18am PT
I said it twice and I will say it again:

Strange lands and separation are the wanderer's lot.
When a man is a wanderer and stranger,
he should not be gruff nor overbearing.
He has no large circle of acquaintances,
therefore he should not give himself airs.
He must be cautious and reserved;
in this way he protects himself from evil.
If he is obliging toward others, he wins success.

A wanderer has no fixed abode; his home is the road.
Therefore he must take care to remain upright and steadfast,
so that he sojourns only in the proper places,
associating only with good people.
Then he has good fortune and can go his way unmolested.


I don't dislike the people who got beaten. I dislike the idea of 'Merkins rolling into a small town in a 3rd world country, deciding they get to camp in a random village they know nothing about, and then blaming the residents when sh#t goes south. I have no doubt the situation could have turned out better if the travelers had oozed humble respect and gratitude towards the locals. Personally, I'da sought out a town center of sorts, asked very respectfully for someone in charge, asked them if there was somewhere I could park and sleep for the night, maybe offer them some money for letting me stay, etc. I would NOT have set up camp, started drinking, and then asked random people walking down the road if I could camp there. Driving further up the road after the initial altercation, deeper into the local's HOME territory, is not a sign of respect... more likely to be taken as a direct sign of disrespect.

I also have no doubt the 'Merkins believe every word of their story and believe they did absolutely nothing wrong... how could they, they are 'Merkin tourists on vacation? I think it sucks they got beaten and I certainly don't wish that on anyone. I just have a hard time understanding how someone in that situation could pick out a woman screaming "kill them" in her native language, how there could be no trace of an impassable road block across a road that size in ANY of the available photos, how the story of these 3 'Merkins clashes with every other story I have ever heard about Peruvians, etc. But we should give them the benefit of the doubt... they're 'Merkins on vacation after all, not some dirt poor country bumpkins minding their own business in their own village.

From what I gather from your facebook page link, they are now looking to rent an apartment in Argentina... poor 'Merkins, barely scraping by in whatever part of the world they choose. So did the Today show interview them in S.America? Or did they come home, do the media circuit, and head back for more adventuring? Oh well, they collected over $20,000 (more than I make in a year and likely more than that entire village will see in a lifetime), got the mayor of a poor town to pay for all damages, and generated plenty of animosity towards the Peruvians in the process.

Happy travels.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine
Feb 9, 2013 - 11:34am PT
If we repeat our points over enough, do they magically become true?
locker

Social climber
FukUville
Feb 9, 2013 - 11:50am PT


"You're making Riley look smart."...

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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Feb 9, 2013 - 11:50am PT
ask Francis the talking mule...



mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Feb 9, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
If we repeat our points over enough, do they magically become true?

No, they are already true... which is why they should be repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Feb 9, 2013 - 03:26pm PT
weschrist/mechrist can't even post on Supertopo without getting banned and he thinks he will teach us how to behave in Peru.

Is anyone else noticing that it is the posters that have the least ability to control their behavior here that are the most judgmental about how the climbers behaved in Peru, and also the quickest ones to call them liars, and jump to conclusions?
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Feb 24, 2013 - 12:15am PT
Another potential incident of violence in Peru:

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/feds-search-bay-area-couple-missing-bike-trip-peru/nWYF6/
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 24, 2013 - 06:00am PT
It sounds way dangerous, come to Colombia instead!
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 25, 2013 - 11:23pm PT
http://gma.yahoo.com/couple-biking-dream-trip-missing-peru-155910707--abc-news-topstories.html
PerlonHex

Sport climber
Orange County, Ca.
Feb 26, 2013 - 08:15am PT
Peru is the new Juarez!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 26, 2013 - 06:31pm PT
Good news!

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Missing-Oakland-couple-seen-in-Peru-4310800.php

....relatives have been told that Peruvian authorities spotted the pair in a remote village.

The couple apparently decided on the spur of the moment to take a boat journey and didn't tell their families, she said. It was unclear when they were seen.

"The information told to me is that they are on a boat on the river and that they are sending a plane to find them," she said, adding that she expected to get an update Thursday.
QITNL

climber
Feb 26, 2013 - 06:36pm PT
Bad news!

...they are returning to Oakland...
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Feb 26, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
Peruvian authorities spotted the pair in a remote village.
"A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,"
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 4, 2013 - 07:48am PT
http://adventureamericas.wordpress.com/2013/03/25/chile-to-argentina/

Of the main haters, Riley has (temporarily?) quit the ST and Mechrist has racked up a bunch more of his inimitably cranky posts, but the Wolfroms kept on going to their goal: Argentina.

Bad sh#t happens, strong people keep on trucking.

I discovered this while looking pop up campers for Toyota Tacomas (a dream of mine).

Cheers!
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Topic Author's Reply - May 4, 2013 - 07:54am PT
also,

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tioga

Mountain climber
pac northwest
May 4, 2013 - 02:50pm PT
Grew up in a 3rd world country on entirely unrelated continent....would NOT set my foot to South American backwoods, no offense to anyone! See a lot of tourists, esp. young kids head "out there", to 3rd world countries kind of wide-eyed and with a view of a world being kind of playground, etc, "everything possible", "don't live in fear"... feel like they're walking the edge of abyss, considering the things I've seen growing up, war, kidnappings, slavery, etc out there...where the light of statue of Libery doesn't shine...people head out to same countries to the mountains...I'd prefer to have mountain lion trainer job, thanks, think it's safer.
chill

climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
May 4, 2013 - 04:11pm PT
I also grew up in a third world country, but as soon as I was old enough I left Texas and moved to Colorado.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
May 4, 2013 - 04:18pm PT
I also grew up in a third world country, but as soon as I was old enough I left Texas and moved to Colorado.

Why didn't you move to a first world country ;)
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