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Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:24pm PT
I went to the Apple site in search of a $5000 laptop. The best I could do was the 15" MacBook Pro with Retina display, processor bump to 2.7 Ghz, RAM bumped to 16GB, and flash drive bumped to 768 GB. It came out to $3749.00. Even if you throw in AppleCare for $349.00, it's quite a bit less than five large...
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:28pm PT
Hardman, for them to buy a new laptop on the spot in Cuzco it would have been heavily upgraded in cost and tax as a good new laptop in those parts is not easy to come by. I believe $5K is what they would have paid out there. Cuzco is the only major city in the region. I'd be shocked if there's more than 2 places in that city to buy one on the spot. And they managed to find it right away.

Peru has massive import tariffs and unless the business has a Western owner or benefactor, Peruvian business folk have to pay a ton for the stuff we buy for half the cost.

The fact that a new laptop is the first thing they bought and their most essential need is what speaks volumes to me. They could have had family buy them a new one here in the states for thousands less and ship it to them in Cuzco. But that would have taken time. They obviously wanted to get their story out ASAP.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:36pm PT
t*r, you don't get whipping slashes from a car accident. They claimed they were whipped. Their injuries will help tell the story of what really happened.
WBraun

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:39pm PT
We need to see everything.

Now go hide .....
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:40pm PT
I just don't see why any strangers would give them a dime to replace anything... Are people really that stupid? Wait... scratch that....

Very clever though I must admit...
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:45pm PT
The fact that a new laptop is the first thing they bought and their most essential need is what speaks volumes to me. They could have had family buy them a new one here in the states for thousands less and ship it to them in Cuzco. But that would have taken time. They obviously wanted to get their story out ASAP.

They could have gone to an Internet cafe and posted their story online for less than $10.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
stzzo, they said they bought a new laptop. They weren't sitting in an internet cafe posting on an hourly rate basis.
Alexey

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:48pm PT
While reading this thread from beginning to the end my feeling toward the victims has changed from big sympathy to questioning the validity of the story they posted.
Some asked on this thread that "[w]e need to hear story from another side (villagers)". This other side's story we can read indirectly in Jennifer Wolfrom report when she says that they were forced to sign the papers of accident report basically under gun point with the following statement explaining the car damage and their injuries :
Their accident report, written in Spanish, essentially said that we had been drinking and crashed our car, which is how the car got destroyed and how we got our injuries. However, the extent of our injuries and the condition of the car far surpasses anything that could happen by driving into a grassy ditch

If at some point we finally get the story from the dwellers of Pallcca we can except that it would be similar to this accident report.
So where is the truth ? Does it lie somewhere in the middle?

In my mind, there are many things which affect the truthfulness of Jennifer story . For instance this part:
There were at least 30 people chasing us and throwing rocks at us at one point. We were running for our lives for between 30 minutes to an hour through the village hills and rivers. We were each struck multiple times by rocks in the head and all over our bodies. We eventually were surrounded by villagers who continued to beat us until they decided to bring us back to the Presidente of the village.

Try to imagine this happening in complete dark. If the mob of 30 locals were chasing the trio with rocks within striking distance - how could this chase be so long (30 min?) What is the reason to strike rocks in the dark if you chasing someone?

If an angry mob of 30 people really beat them they would be dead or severely injured

The other thing which surprises me is that in the pursuit to collect more money they did not post/submit their photos showing the injuries they got from the beatings, stoning and whipping. Why? Such a photo could answer some questions about the incident - whether in their favor or disproving the story.

Reading her story more and more I trust it less and less. For instance, the reason for driving inside of the village and not back to main road is not explained
The number of beer bottles they had two between tree - not worth to mention unless it was something much more they had been drinking ...

And one more thing: If this terrible life and death experience would happen to me and my wife and my sister - it would be so traumatic that at first possible chance we all run back home, next day.
So if they remained there, collecting money, posting on blogs - it implies for me that their traumatic experience was not so dramatic as they try to make it to be.

And back to original post on this tread.
Patrick Compton registered on ST one day before posting some nonsense on Boobs thread and then 24 hours later dropped a link to donations
https://www.crowdtilt.com/campaigns/peru-fund-help-jenny-meghan-and-jed
Patrick Compton has never chimed up again.
aspendougy

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:50pm PT
It easy enough to weigh in and give one's 2 cents worth. A more difficult, time-consuming and valuable approach would be to interview a number of the villagers in the attacking group, and get their side of the story.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:52pm PT
t*r, if there were any gruesome photos of this and the injuries they sustained, it would be all over the internet by now. Every major media source is checking on this story. The UK Daily Mail alone has been looking into pictures to go along with this incident. Hospitals would have the photos and those that work there would easily sell them to a Western media outlet for great money.

They are reporting on an international incident and want proof of what went down. Which is why this story has not gained legs in the world media. Initial reports from what they claimed yes, follow up with proof of it, no.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:54pm PT
"And one more thing: If this terrible life and death experience would happen to me and my wife and my sister - it would be so traumatic that at first possible chance we all run back home, next day.
So if they remained there, collecting money, posting on blogs - it implies for me that their traumatic experience was not so dramatic as they try to make it to be."

Bingo Alexey! I said the same thing just upthread.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:57pm PT
So, these ugly Americans, at worst, defraud some money fat idiots and enrage a bunch of myopic online wankers while continuing to live the dream. Respect.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:12am PT
4 days later and STILL knott all over the international media.

I think it's official.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:12am PT
Has anyone here an opinion on the massive die-off of dolphins and penguins in Peru? Could there be a tie-in?

http://www.sott.net/article/245836-Dolphin-Deaths-in-Peru-The-Mystery-Deepens

BTW Crimpie. I would agree that donations would be appropriate for medical needs and not for gadgets. For those they should contact their homeowners insurance company.







The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:19am PT
stzzo, they said they bought a new laptop. They weren't sitting in an internet cafe posting on an hourly rate basis.

Sorry for the confusion. Yes, I know this.

My point was that a new laptop at Cuzco prices was likely not necessary to get the story out. To get the story out, an Internet cafe would likely have sufficed.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:25am PT
Where is the OP Patrick Compton these days?
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:38am PT
At an ATM somewhere in South America, laughing his ass off.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:43am PT
Good one!
crunch

Social climber
CO
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:44am PT
if there were any gruesome photos of this and the injuries they sustained, it would be all over the internet by now.


El Presidente is the one with the mustache.
El Presidente is the one with the mustache.
Credit: crunch

pat

Trad climber
estes park
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:48am PT
Thanks for the kind words Crimper!

Here is one last wild conjecture and thoughts about what happened and then I have to move on.

Some here and on other sites completely reject that this happened. Based on what I have read, and my own experiences living in Mexico I believe it did. Here is one way it could have easily gone down:

The three gringos drive up to camp for the night at what looks like a deserted spot. Tired they sit down and break out some beer. Half mile a way, up the hill, some villagers, also having a beer after a long day see an odd flashy truck pull on to their land. Having had some recent problems with thieves (maybe horse?) two of them elect to go down and see what is going on. Despite their simmering anger over recent events they try to stay friendly and greet the gringos not knowing who they are or where they came from. They only notice they are foreign which just makes them more suspicious. The gringos start saying something like this, "campo aqui?" to which the villagers quizically reply "Si, este es un campo, claro." All seems good to the gringos, but of course it is not at all.

Back at the village the villagers spread the word the thieves are back, and El Presidente (the Mexicans love nicknames, is it the same in Peru?) gets involved because he is responsible for this village given the police never drop by. Fuming they walk down to the gringos who, being foreign, probably only makes them more deserving of some sort of questioning. The mood is changing and the gringos can feel it. Someone logically demands papers and the gringos think, partly because of the devolving mood, that this is an extortion attempt. They refuse. The villagers see them as more and more suspicious by the minute because of this and get angrier. Scared and getting into flight mode the gringos push their way back to the car which only angers the villagers more who now absolutely must see them detained (they are after all acting guilty). The rest is history with a 10 minute chase seeming like 30 because they are terrified. The gringos experience frontier apprehension and justice, El Presidente realizes his mistake but is unable to convince some of the rest,and the most cultural of cultural experiences results.

On a side note, 20-30 people does not usually a village make (think 100). The romantic in me likes to think a few of the locals did indeed wait this one out, or maybe it got lost in translation that some pleaded their innocence but maybe I am wrong. It doesn't really take an ugly American to have this happen, although granted the three fit the bill to a certain degree and it did not help them.

I really feel for these three despite the bad decisions they may have made. If the story checks out they were, and continue to be innocent of what happened to them. America seems to have taken a turn for the worse lately, and it hit really close to home for me recently. Three months ago I would be joining in the chorus of naysayers. It sucks imagining the horror of the last moments on earth of someone you know, I know I am not alone here. I visited Fero's bar and Grill in Denver two weeks after my friends murder. Staring inside the window I got a strong wiff of a sickly sweet smell, burnt flesh, and I can't get it out of my mind. Did these three almost travel a similar path?

I wish these three the best with what they have to endure. I hope they make the right decision with their money when their lives are stabilized. Give them time. Given the supposed wealth of empathy we have gained in our travels, are we not still being the same old impatient judgmental Americans at heart when dealing with our own?

-Pat
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