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Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
I am with Reeotch on this. Don't understand why the hate for sport climbing. Personally, I went sport climbing only about 6 times in my life. But I went for the pure joy of movement over rock. Did get challenged, and did experience fear just like I would if I was trad climbing. It does not have to be a nut or a piton from 1956 40 ft bellow you to enjoy moving over rock.

This elitist attitude usually comes from insecure people who want to think the way they do things is better way than others do things. Small peepee syndrome. Remember, climbing is a personal way of self expression. If your way is sport climbing, than enjoy it and don't mind all the haters.
Jeremy Ross

Gym climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
+1 for Reeotch, Kenny, Rhodo, Vitaly.


I love it all.



-JR



PS Most pure "trad" climbers I know cite a lack of boldness in sport climbing but then are too afraid to fall on their placed gear and/or are climbing something they would have to be in a coma to fall on. No reason to wear just one hat, it's all good.

The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
All the best "Tard" climbers are "Spurt" climbers.
dave

climber
Earth
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:20pm PT
I was fixing lines on New Dawn a few years ago and T. Caldwell was working on Mescalito start (not really working on), heading up to his high point.

While we watched TC literally hike that first .12b pitch clipping heads and climbing it like I do 5.8, my buddy asked him how he trained for climbing hard el Cap routes, he responded "I just sport climb and boulder", pretty much says it all!
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
PS Most pure "trad" climbers I know cite a lack of boldness in sport climbing but then are too afraid to fall on their placed gear and/or are climbing something they would have to be in a coma to fall on. No reason to wear just one hat, it's all good.

Very sad but true. People think trad is so bold or free soloing is so bold. But they do not usually free solo anything at LEAST 2-3 levels bellow their OS level. Trad climbing and sport climbing is not suicidal. Trad is usually where you can place gear every 3 feet if you are crack climbing. I have seen 'trad climbers' of all levels ZIP up their climbs with gear every 4 feet when it gets hard for them.

The only type of climbing I think is boldER than other kinds is climbing difficult lines on remote high peaks with serious risks to get killed by weather or objective danger. Climbing where there is no help. And you won't climb 5.12 there usually. Aside from that, sport cragging in owens or trad cragging in yosemite are not much different.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:26pm PT
"Yeah but... swami, smearing, BITD, sputter, sputter..."
ruppell

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
I used to be an elitist prick. I learned how to climb in the Gunks. As traditional as it gets. The only bolts I ever clipped where the ones on climbs there and they are few and far between. I finally reached the level of being able to onsight 5.10 there. Then I decided it was time to take a road trip. You guys who have sold everything you own and put the rest in your buddies garage know the trip I'm talking about. Then I made the list. You know THE list. Every major trad area in the US. Then what climbs your gonna do their. The test pieces. The climbs that get your buddies to buy you some beers if you manage to get them onsight. There was not a single sport area on that list.

Fast forward a few months. A buddy of mine has some time off as well. He wants to get some climbing in. Great. The problem is he wants to do it in El Portrero. I am not stoked to go clip some bolts but he's a good friend so I suck it up and decide to go. On the drive down I repeat every "sport climbing" joke I can think of a few times. It's a long drive. We get there just before Xmas. The first day we do some single pitch routes. My stoke remains low but it's still climbing and beer is cheap. That night we talk about getting on some of the longer routes. My stoke meter is slowly starting to rise. We pick a route called Yankee Clipper. A 15 pitch 12a.

We get up and get on it. Most of the climbing is 5.9ish. The last pitch is the crux. We literally fly up the route. Linking pitches puts us at the crux in a few hours. I get the crux pitch. I've never even been on a 12 before. The moves are hard but the bolts are bomber. So I keep scratching my way up. I finally fall at the last hard move. Did I really just do that? Can I really climb at that grade? Wow this route is cool. All these thoughts are creeping into my skull. I finish the climb and we rap down. We hit the ground just over four hours from when we started. 1500' in four hours and we weren't even trying to go fast. That rocked.

A little over FOUR months later I finally left Potrero. It's the place that opened my eyes and made me drop the BS attitude I was carrying around about sport climbing being inferior. It's just different. It allowed me to push into grades that most likely would have taken me a few more years to get to if I was just trad climbing. It made me realize that if I can climb those grades with bolts that I could also climb them on gear. It made me a better, stronger, faster climber physically. Mentally it unlocked part of my brain to allow me to try harder and reach further. Now I clip bolts. Now I boulder. Now I trad climb harder. Now I am a climber.
Rhodo-Router

Gym climber
sawatch choss
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
...runouts...me....me...mine
this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 4, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
Now I clip bolts. Now I boulder. Now I trad climb harder. Now I am a climber.

Well said. If you have to tell people how much bolder you are than other climbers, you're missing the point of climbing. Climb for yourself and let your climbing speak for you. Climb on Reed.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
ruppell, that was VERY well written. I wish you wrote trip reports....and you have plenty of boob pics to supplement them.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 4, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
I soloed an easy 300' route once and didn't think it was all that great. I'd much rather do hard moves on a boulder or with a rope. I will never be a climber... I'm just not bold enough.
all in jim

climber
Jan 4, 2013 - 05:26pm PT
Sport climbing... I guess.

[youtube=http://youtu.be/AN5CDewKVdk]
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:37pm PT
Ruppell,well said.I am just a bit behind you,but want to keep that attitude.
bhilden

Trad climber
Mountain View, CA
Jan 4, 2013 - 06:47pm PT
I think the legendary Doug Scott said it best about sport climbing. It stokes our egos because with the closely spaced bolts, as we age, we can climb at the same(or higher) grade than we climbed trad.
this just in

climber
north fork
Jan 4, 2013 - 07:05pm PT
Really good video Jim. Thanks.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jan 4, 2013 - 08:13pm PT
Ruppel... +1 sums it up.


I love to sport climb and I have a bit of advise for you 101.....

You will need more than 10 draws.... buy like 20.

I prefer ones with large biners so you can hang on while you dog.

And make up a few Jesus draws for safety, you know the ones with locking biners at both ends.

But you do not need a cordellete...

Just the fact that you posted on this site shows that you have some stones.

Don't mind all the naysayers .... they just be yanking your chain, remember they are climbers and that is part of the deal.

Just have fun.
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