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apogee
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 30, 2012 - 02:33am PT
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Never been there
A wild-ass whim has my curiosity piqued
The possibility to travel with my 17 y/o nephew is part of the whim
About a week or 10 days...early April-ish
More interested in local culture than urban tourist cush-ness
Beta, please?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 30, 2012 - 02:56am PT
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In 50 words or less?
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 02:58am PT
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Not necessarily
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Prod
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Dec 30, 2012 - 02:59am PT
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If Jan does not respond to this you should look her up.
Prod.
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Mark Sensenbach
climber
CA
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Dec 30, 2012 - 03:32am PT
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Check out the ceramic kiln sites.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 30, 2012 - 05:40am PT
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I'll get back to you but the first thing to do is get two youth hostel cards and two Japan rail passes. That alone will save you bundless. The hostels accept older people particularly in early spring and if they're accompanying someone younger. Lights out and dead quiet at 10 pm although you can read behind the heavy curtain around your bunk. Music awakes you in the morning. Each hostel has a Japanese bath and they are located in the most beautiful tourist places.The next cheapest alternative is rent a room in a love motel after 11 pm. Trains go everywhere.
There are many national parks in Japan, especially on the west coast. It's a very beautiful country outside of the cities and the cities are also interesting though stressful because you become illiterate in the world's most crowded and complex society. It's neat to spend a few days in one however, just to see how safe and clean they are and how well they work.
Most Japanese read English and Roman letters but are shy to speak English. If you write something down, they can figure it out or find someone who can. Many carry bilingual electronic dictionaries (not a bad idea for the tourist too).
Learn to use chopsticks if you don't already know how. Cheap food is easy to find as cheap restaurants all have plastic food models in the window - you just lead the waiter to the window and point. Vending machines and the equivalent of 7/11's everywhere.
More later.......... or email me with questions.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 11:41am PT
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My nephew has been studying Japanese for years now- he's not quite fluent, but can understand most of what he hears quite well. That would be a tremendous asset, all in itself.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Dec 30, 2012 - 11:58am PT
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There are old Teahouses that don't have internet. Maybe limited electricity. They are very traditional and a good place to start. They have hot volcanic baths and the like. Those are the best.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Dec 30, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
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I go a few times/year on business. I've stayed in sin-Yokohama and Suitengumae. Have had very little time to explore the cultural aspects of the place, aside from Roppongi.
I think, for a westerner, it's difficult to grasp the cultural depth of Japan in a few days. I've probably spent a total of 110 days in and around Tokyo and while I am beginning to appreciate more of the culture, I can tell I'm about four light-years away from attaining any meaningful connections to the place.
My recommendations (limited as they are):
1. Mt Fuji (never been there, but have been told it is a very unique place)
2. Roppongi (if interested in some very interesting nightlife)
3. Take some train rides and have basic Japanese to help guide you back
 be able to pronounce the place where you are staying (let's say Roppongi)
To help guide you back or to a place (I'll do this a phonetically as possible)
Roppongi wah-dok-a-des-ka ('where is Roppongi?'... 'ka' at the end makes this a question)
kan-sen Roppongi ee-kud-a-des-ka (very roughly, 'how much will the train cost to get my ass back to Roppongi?'... 'shin' means 'new'. 'shin-kan-sen' means 'new train' which is the bullet train)
Those two phrases will go a long way to allowing you to get around or at least help you get severely lost.
other good phrases
ohio-go-zymous (good morning)
ko-nich-ee-wah (good evening)
wah-tishi-no-namae-wah-APOGEE-des (my name is APOGEE)
arrigato-go-zymous (thank you very much)
doh-ee-tosh-ee-mash-tay (you are welcome)
sa-me-ma-sen (pardon/excuse me)
ku-des-sigh (please, example 'cohee ku-des-sigh'... 'coffee please')
Get a phrase book and look it over. If you have the means, get a decent audio phrase book or language course. At least in my experience, it helps a TON if you make a reasonable attempt at speaking Japanese. It's not like France where a crude attempt at French will only get you even more lost. The Japanese people will genuinely go out of their way to help if you show proper respect by making the effort.
I'm sure Jan will heavily critique this mini-tutorial, deservedly so. Enjoy your time on the ground in Japan. It's a unique place.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 30, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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I agree that those are all the phrases you really need to get around.
As for getting around Tokyo, one thing that took me ages to figure out was that the color coded subway map wasn't just different lines but different levels of trains on the same lines.
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Dec 30, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
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Thanks for your input Jan and everyone else. There are others out there (like myself) that are curious also.
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mathew
Sport climber
topanga, ca
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Dec 30, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
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Hey Apogee,
you looking to climb?
Ogowayama in the alps east of Kyoto is like grit, but with bolts. Sporting, not sport. Spider Line and Excellent Power stand out as proud lines. I was there a while back, but the campsite was great - it had a steam bath.
Jogasaki on the coast near Yokohama (day trip from Tokyo) is this super compact rock that looked really good fun to get on, but it was too wet while I was there - so I took a pass.
There were a ton of other places, but I was hitching around and I can't remember where they were :( Sorry.
have a great time - later
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 21, 2013 - 10:29pm PT
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Bump for beta...
Still entertaining this idea, though I'm completely in the blind as to creating an itinerary.
I have a great love of Arts & Crafts architecture and Japanese home & garden design, so visiting places like this is of great interest. I'm also very intrigued by the various Parks in Japan, and would like to visit some of them. This said, I'd also like to see Tokyo and just get my mind blown by the urban experience.
We're thinking about early April, and would have about 10 days. I'm more psyched on an itinerary that emphasizes quality experience over quantity of places visited…we'd probably fly into Tokyo. I have absolutely no idea of how to create an interesting itinerary, and do it in a reasonably cost-efficient way….help!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Jan 21, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
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going there in may, god or buddha or whoever willing
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 22, 2013 - 05:54am PT
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If you like Japanese arts and crafts, go to Kyoto, a short ride on the bullet train from Tokyo. It has a very concentrated collection of temples done in traditional architecture, most with fitted wood and no nails or screws, each unique. Each garden surrounding the temples is unique as well. Same thing in Nara about an hour's train ride away. It's neat to walk under 1,000 Shinto gates to get to a temple at the top of a hill. There are other temples in Kyoto itself that involve hiking. Kyoto is also the center of traditional arts and crafts in wood and bamboo, paper etc.
Always remember that Japanese people will never take initiative to help you unless you ask, and then they will concentrate on the task as they do on everything else in life.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2013 - 01:03am PT
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Sounds like a Japan Railway pass is a requirement...what is the best way to obtain one? Got a good source?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 24, 2013 - 01:44am PT
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Prepare to choke on the dust of hordes of scrawny, white-haired old people who will leave you in the dust on the steepest of trails.
They're all decked out in the lastest outdoor fashion with trekking poles and fancy boots.
I'm going to Japan in October for a whitewater kayaking comp near Tokyo. Then I gotta get over to Osaka. I'm worried about getting around the country. I don't do well driving on the left in heavy traffic.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 02:20am PT
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No one drives in Japan, they all take the train. And knowing how hard it was for me to get used to driving on the right side of the road in uncongested Wyoming, the summer the U.S. military decided I had to fly back to the States to get a U.S. driver's license, I would really advise against the reverse.
One of the big problems is the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car and the lights, windshield wipers and turn signals are reversed. Everytime you need to signal a lane change, you turn on the windshield wipers instead.
Then there is the matter of Japanese drivers going by different rules than even their own laws state. They frequently run red lights in part, because the yellow light is half the length of ours or less. Yellow means hit the accelerator, and the most common accident here involving Americans is for the American to stop at a red light and be rear ended by 3-4 cars that have accelerated. Conversely, people get creamed by venturing out on a green light without looking both ways twice for who is running the red lights.
Take the train!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 02:21am PT
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Apogee-
Call the nearest Japanese consulate and ask them for travel information including how to get a Japan rail pass.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 24, 2013 - 02:46am PT
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My Japanese buddies visted Appalachia a couple of years ago, now I gotta get over to visit them in Japan.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Jan 24, 2013 - 06:45am PT
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Sounds like a Japan Railway pass is a requirement...what is the best way to obtain one? Got a good source?
Google Japan Rail. We used a rail pass during one period, but they're only cost efficient on a period where you're going long distances every day.
You can reach two big tourist areas, Kamakura and Nikko, with ordinary commuter rail from Tokyo.
For ten days, I'd do Tokyo, Kamakura, Nikko and a bullet train shot to Kyoto. Maybe loop in Nara if you're moving fast.
Thorn Tree - the Lonely Planet Forum is much better for Travel Related issues
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 07:15am PT
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Good advice. I'd forgotten the part about long distance travel being where you save.
I did Tokyo, Fuji, Kyoto, Sendai and Hokkaido all in one month.
Japan rail is also good on the ferries in Japan which was nice going to Hokkaido.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 08:21am PT
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Here's the official Japan Tourist site with a lot of good photos.
http://www.jnto.go.jp/eng/
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jnaftzger
Social climber
Berkeley
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Jan 24, 2013 - 09:11am PT
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I recomended avoiding the east coast, stick to the west coast. Trains are slower but theres more old stuff. East coast looks like Hayward.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 24, 2013 - 09:22am PT
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Yes, after going all the way to Hokkaido up the east coast, that would be my recommendation also if you have the time. Otherwise stick to Tokyo and points south. If you go up the main rail line on the east now days you're getting into the Fukushima and tsunami zone as well.
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darkmagus
Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 24, 2013 - 11:11am PT
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Lots of cool suggestions here... I lived in Japan for a bit and I want to suggest that you visit the city of Hirosaki in Aomori prefecture. Home of the fuji apple, hirosaki castle, absolutely epic cherry blossoms in spring, and magical rural Japan a few minutes drive (rent a car, you gotta).
Amazing place. Super friendly people. Close to Hokkaido. Guaranteed to be a unique and cool place, very non touristy. Did I mention fuji apples!!! And an amazing sake producing region as well!!!
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SeanYang
Mountain climber
Portland, Oregon
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Jan 24, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
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I second a visit to Kyoto. Highlights include Geisha performance near downtown, and many Zen temples where you can enjoy the medieval Buddhist buildings and landscape.
If you are interested in doing a bit of climbing and alpine tour, go to Kamikochi, which is the Japan's version of Zermatt. Beautiful forests, serene ponds, and relaxing hot springs dot the narrow alpine valley. The second highest mountain (Mt. Hodaka) in Japan sits about 8 miles away, heading a horseshoe glacial basin surrounded by many 3000m peaks. A beautiful Karasawa hut (where you find as many foreigners as locals) is located right at the glacier terminal moraine.
On the way to Kamikochi, you will have a stopover at Matsumoto, where you can visit the famous castle located at a walking distance from the train station.
The only hangup is access. The opening of Kamikochi valley is April 22 this year. Before that, there is no public transportation in and out of the area.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 24, 2013 - 10:44pm PT
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This is great beta. It's helping me a lot.
Climbing isn't going to happen on this trip...it'll be more of a cultural exploration. The northern areas sound amazing, though, and are much closer to the kind of experience I'd like to have in Japan.
The challenge is time...we'll only have about 10 days (including travel), and I'd rather have a shorter, quality experience in a few places than run around all over the place.
Sounds like the Tokyo-Kyoto areas will fit this best...suggestions on other places in & around here would be useful.
Since we'd only be visiting a few places, a full-ride national rail ticket seems overkill (& overly expensive). Are there more local or limited alternatives?
Housing suggestions that won't break the bank?
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 24, 2013 - 11:42pm PT
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Great info, thanks
I assume cabs are easy to get in the big cities, much like in the USA?
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Jan 25, 2013 - 12:11am PT
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Cabs are everywhere.
And if you're going to stick with the Tokyo-Kyoto area, try for side trips to Nikko and Nara if you have time. You will have seen the full range of craftsman style artisanship from very simple beauty to very ornate.
Nara is the most doable as it's only an hour down the rail line from Kyoto.
Also inn Kyoto, try to visit the moss garden. It is truly unique and will really train your eye to see subtle differences.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 07:01pm PT
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I know Fuji is pretty much just a hike, but what experience have you had on it?
What climbing locations would you recommend around Tokyo?
going in May, psyched!!!!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 15, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
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Fuji is the ultimate choss pile. Beautiful from a distance, but a pile of cinders up close, plus it's covered in garbage - millions of shoes, bento boxes, walking sticks and pieces of clothing thrown away. They had bulldozers on the lower slopes trying to clear it the day I climbed.
If you want a nice hike, go to the Alps instead. Or since you're pressed for time, go to Nara and hike up the ancient stone steps through the thousands of orange Torii gates to the Fushimi Inari shinto shrine at the top of the mountain where there is a nice view (turn the sound off while viewing as the music ruins the mood).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wt8NC_EF78.
Or hike on Mt. Hiei above Kyoto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wt8NC_EF78
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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Feb 15, 2013 - 09:56pm PT
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Ok Jan, thanks for the suggestions!
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
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The plan is becoming clearer...but I'm still struggling a bit with lodging.
Since it's our first time, and our timeframe is relatively limited, I'm focussing on fewer cities, less travel. Tokyo for a few days, Kamakura for a day or two, Kyoto for 2-3 days, then back to Tokyo.
I'm inclined to pick a relatively western-style hotel while in Tokyo (Rappongi Hills area, probably), but would also like to experience something more traditional and eastern while in Kamakura &/or Kyoto. Suggestions?
Sewelly, I'd be very interested in any beta you've found thusfar. I think our itinerary will have us there sometime after you leave, though...
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Feb 16, 2013 - 09:58pm PT
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Kyoto for sure.
Depending on where and what you want to see, you won't need a car. Some places, a rental car might make your life easier.
I didn't find the transition to the other side of the road all that hard. Most of the time, you have someone in front of you so the process is easy. For sure you'll turn your wipers on instead of your signals more than once, but that's really minor and easy to adjust to.
I found the driving on the Mainland of Japan much friendlier than the driving on Okinawa. I think the drivers in Okinawa are to influence by young American drivers.
When you're not driving, remember to check both ways when crossing the road. Your reflex will be to long the wrong direction when stepping off the curb. I found getting used to crossing the road on foot was harder than driving. Even shifting left handed is pretty straight forward.
Eman
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 16, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
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The cheapest hotels if you're not clautrophobic and maybe fun to try once just for the photos are the capsule hotels. If you check into love motels after 11 pm they are cheaper too. Also the youth hostels are cheap (you must have a card issued in America), and then places near the railway stations. The most expensive are the quaint little inns that don't want to take foreigners often because they don't want soapsuds in the bath etc. Get a guide book that will give you a range of places to stay and then look based on that.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 16, 2013 - 10:22pm PT
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As for driving, in cities where everything goes bumper to bumper at 5 mph you probably can do ok following the car in front of you. On the open road it is much more problematic. And it's true that mainland Japanese are better drivers and complain as tourists that the thing they like least about Okinawa is the driving.
I don't think it is the American driving influence however. Rather, it is the congestion in a place laid out after the war in which the Americans ripped up the rail system but didn't put in a well designed road system either, as they figured the Okinawans would never be rich enough to have cars. We set up four competing bus systems (free enterprise and all that) which charge so much, that it's as cheap to drive, so everyone does. The main problem is older and inexperienced drivers with slow reflexes and no sense of timing, and the congestion including the fact that there are no shoulders on the road so not much room to get out of someone's way, and people's driveways back out onto three lane freeways.
Okinawans often do incredibly dangerous things without even realizing they are dangerous. My favorite is when they're in an outside lane and signal they're going to turn off the multi-lane highway and then at the last minute, change their mind and go across three lanes of traffic to exit off the opposite side. I've also seen them backing up on the freeway when they missed an exit. etc.etc.
The all time scariest was when a motor cycle gang went flying by me on either side between myself and the other cars as I was the center lane of a three lane highway.That happens fairly frequently, so I thought nothing of it until they spotted a speed trap a half mile up the road and then did u-turns and came flying southbound as three lanes of traffic were going at high speed northbound. We all drove as straight as we could and they flew in the opposite direction between three lanes of traffic- and escaped the police.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 16, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
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Driving/car rental ain't gonna happen. Japan Railway, for sure.
Edit:
"Get a guide book that will give you a range of places to stay..."
Suggestion?
Edit2:
TGT, 'Hidden Fortress' is awesome!
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Feb 17, 2013 - 08:10am PT
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Check out the guidebooks on Amazon.
Insight Guides are always the most detailed in regard to cultural information.
Frommer's is a good middle class guide and
The Lonely Planet guides cater to the cheaper places.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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plane tickets bought, psyched!!!
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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I've always thought I would want to visit the Hiroshima Peace memorial.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Congratulationson buying the tickers! That's 90% of the battle.
I can't tell you how many people have told me they envy my travels and want to go with me the next time, yet always have an excuse for not doing so.
And don't forget to write a TR after you return!
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S.Leeper
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yes GD, definitely going to check out the memorial.
Going with my inlaws from Mexico City so should be interesting, I'll do a brief TR.
It will take me longer to drive to MC, than the flight to Japan.
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Guangzhou
Trad climber
Asia, Indonesia, East Java
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Enjoy the trip. Japan is full of great things to see and experience.
Looking forward to reading about your experience here.
Eman
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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Thanks Eman!
We are driving to Mexico City on the 3rd of May and flying to Tokyo on the 10th.
How far is Okinawa from the mainland? Approx how many days, budget will have to be allocated to go there from the mainland?
Any other suggestions on MUST SEE locations?
No climbing this time. We will be there for about 10 days and definitely plan on taking the train to Hiroshima.
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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bump
Anybody been across the Seto-Ohasi Bridge?
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Shiho
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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I absolutely love visiting Kyoto. Here are some pics from a recent trip that I did.
Tokyo to Okinawa is quite far and expensive, I believe. Have fun out there!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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Thanks Shiho! great shots.
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2013 - 09:14pm PT
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Your timing is excellent- I'm hitting the road tomorrow, with a flight to Tokyo leaving Friday. I've put a bunch of work into figuring out an itinerary, and though I'm a little intimidated, it's exciting that the trip is right around the corner. Your pictures really help the psyche factor!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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If you don't mind me asking, what is your itinerary?
Have a great trip!
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apogee
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Apr 8, 2013 - 11:32pm PT
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Tokyo for about 4 days, then Kamakura for a day or two, then Kyoto for four days, then back to Tokyo to fly home. Not nearly enough time, but I'm sure it will whet my appetite for another trip!
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Shiho
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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My roommates went to Japan about a month ago and took good pics. Maybe I can convince them to post some here.
While in Japan, don't forget to pay a visit to a convenient store like 7-eleven. They sell really good food for cheap. If you like to drink, they also sell whiskey and soda in a can!
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S.Leeper
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May 23, 2013 - 09:31pm PT
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about to head back to the states after 10 days in Japan.I loved it!
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S.Leeper
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May 31, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
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Great pictures Swellymon!
I'm in Mexico City right now, we just got back from 2 weeks in Japan.
I'll do a TR instead of clogging this thread up with too many pictures.
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - May 31, 2013 - 11:56pm PT
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Please, 'clog up this thread with pictures'....!
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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ok here goes.
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S.Leeper
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S.Leeper
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sleeper on the bullet train
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S.Leeper
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Sedai train station
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 1, 2013 - 10:09am PT
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Careful with the upskirt shots, buddy...they have rules against such things in Japan...
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S.Leeper
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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the train to Kamakura
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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interesting selection machine at a restaurant in Sedai
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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graphics on the shinkasen to Hiroshima
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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Kamakura
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S.Leeper
Social climber
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S.Leeper
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sushi in Tokyo
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S.Leeper
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somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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S.Leeper
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somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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S.Leeper
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no love?
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apogee
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2013 - 03:59pm PT
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That's awesome!
Looks very similar to my itinerary last month. Still trying to find the time to get my pics organized, though.
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S.Leeper
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somewhere that doesnt have anything over 90'
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Thanks Apogee. Can't wait to see yours.
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S.Leeper
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Jun 10, 2013 - 05:41pm PT
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back to work...booooooooooooooo
more Japan pics, please!
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S.Leeper
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Jul 17, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
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Apogee..photos please!
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John Duffield
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Jan 16, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
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Nice vid. Shin Juku is the main station where you change lines in Tokyo.
I'll probably be there soon, have to fit it around other stuff.
Last time I was there, was right after the big quake. Lots of things happen that never do. The big Sumo guys came out for fundraisers. Normally you would never see the number one Sumo Wrestler in the world out in a department store.
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S.Leeper
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Sep 17, 2014 - 05:09pm PT
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BUMP
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neebee
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calif/texas
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Sep 24, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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hey there say, just a bump, to help our FIRST PAGE,
HOWEVER, awww, yes, i DO love the post that i am bumping, too...
you are of value, ...
just that i can't always visit everything and post...
but today, is REALLY NEEDED FOR HELP, TO US ALL...
WILL TRY to bump some more...
this 'message will repeat' for a bit, in the bumps...
:)
hope i am helping...
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