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Trad climber
Butte, America
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:11am PT
Evolution works perfectly well--under the assumption of a few key "miracles" thrown into the biologic mix...

...should make BOTH sides content--but, usually doesn't
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:34am PT
Canada's got ig'nance you can't touch:


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2012 - 02:15am PT
Belief in evolution

Third world, baby, third world...
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 30, 2012 - 03:19am PT
I don't get all the negative spins on this. Not believing in evolution is really quite the astute observation on the part of a citizenry whose country invented Walmart. Bravo, America, you have seen no evidence of evolution, and you're not afraid to say it.

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 30, 2012 - 03:22am PT
What a bunch of whiners. These are surely strange times, but does the bickering really matter? Get on with getting on. And along.

Trad climber
Las Vegas
Dec 30, 2012 - 04:19am PT

'Ah Wayno...

Just 'ole 'Uncle Jimbo stirr'n up another shiite storm on the Taco.

Gott'a admit though whenever he lights a fire he's more than willing to stick around and stand in the heat ;)

Sport climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:08am PT
80 % of Europeans believe in creationism? That seems darn high. Really, if you ask yourself did we come from an explosion of epic proportions(having started from a mass the size of a pin head) or with the help of some mighty intervention, they both tweak the brain. 30 seconds of serious pondering and my noodle starts twisting.
I still think there was an intervention, myself. But, maybe its the southern country backasswards in me.

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:19am PT
80 percent of Americans think Adam and Eve shopped at Walmart.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 30, 2012 - 05:34am PT
Hey werner, you should work at Fox News - you'd fit right in.

Ya know, perhaps even you have a certain allegience to dogma huh? Well don't sweat it. We all do for the most part. Its the blind and dumb part that is the problem.

You said dogma people should be put to the firing squad. Werner said that would be about 99% of hmanity. You responded with the above, agreeing with him.

Any questions Mr Fox News?


Dec 30, 2012 - 07:14am PT
You guys are confusing America with Americans.

America is geography, it's just a whole bunch of land. America is fairly static, neither smart nor dumb.

Americans are changing faster than you think, all the time.

Dec 30, 2012 - 08:08am PT
I think the world population in general is getting dumber by the day, the main reason being that nothing but worthless thrash is being fed to them 24/7 by TV and Internet.
Mix that with religious nuts and you get people that believe that Jesus and AK-47s will save them from all that is bad.

Now the sad thing is that these people are always the one who scream the loudest and make their fkin retarded ideas heard while the smart and educated sit quietly in the back and bow their heads in shame.

I for myself have resigned caring about this stuff all that much because there is nothing that I could do about it anyway. I just try to have a positive effect on the people in my life, thats all I can do to improve this f*#ked up world.

Tony Bird

Northridge, CA
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:31am PT
why, jim, an off-topic post. maybe the world is going to end soon.

oops--sorry--i forgot--dingus's tractors are on topic too.

Trad climber
Placerville, California
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:09am PT
i got a 'un o' those stupid f*#king rubber stamps, i do.
"when you find yourself on the side of the majority, <br/>
it is time to p...
"when you find yourself on the side of the majority,
it is time to pause and reflect" - mark twain
Credit: Norwegian

i can drive a screwdriver,
if hard pressed.

i don't deny that im a dumb c#&%.
this stance of anti-arrogance has served
well my aim to learn forever, and then re-learn never.

my suits are never pressed.
my socks rarely match.
i own whatever i want to own,
if im patient enough to await god's orgasm.
Tony Bird

Northridge, CA
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:40am PT
norsky, you're an engineer! that means you can drive a choo-choo! fun job!

oops, drifting the thread here.

back on topic to our off-topic. maybe there'll be a climbing angle somehow, there always seems to be. like--do you believe that climbers evolve, and does it involve divine intervention?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Dec 30, 2012 - 10:57am PT

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dogma is the official system of belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization.[1] It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology or belief system, and it cannot be changed or discarded without affecting the very system's paradigm, or the ideology itself. Although it generally refers to religious beliefs that are accepted regardless of evidence, they can refer to acceptable opinions of philosophers or philosophical schools, public decrees, or issued decisions of political authorities.[2]
The term derives from Greek δόγμα "that which seems to one, opinion or belief"[3] and that from δοκέω (dokeo), "to think, to suppose, to imagine".[4] Dogma came to signify laws or ordinances adjudged and imposed upon others by the First Century. The plural is either dogmas or dogmata, from Greek δόγματα. The term "dogmatics" is used as a synonym for systematic theology, as in Karl Barth's defining textbook of neo-orthodoxy, the 14-volume Church Dogmatics.

Like I said, dogma isn't the problem. Dogma makes our world go round. Look at it this way, us climbers subscribe to various dogmas -alpine style, ground up, etc.... it is the blind dumb part that needs to be shot in the head.

This is the single most significant beef i have with religions. Intransigent blind dumb dogma incapable of evolution without a gun held to its temple. If it wasn't for that I might even jump on board as for the most part religious types are A -OK and for all I know god really did invent the world. I merely request that they show me the money first. This faith stuff is for suckers.

edit: after rereading the above maybe you have apoint in that dogma is my its very definition is intransigent in the face of all opposition -blind, dumb faith.

Anyway, true much of the world is held spellbound by various dogmas, but I really think Werners assertion of 99% is a bit of an exageration. Perhaps I have a bit too much "faith" in humanity but I really think if people ever find themselves free of authoritarian oppression their minds are the first thing to expand . I think this goes for America as much as anywhere. Sometimes the oppression is nothing more than the physical need to fall in lock step with your neighbors if you really want to continue working in this town. Demanded conformity and uniformity are red flags.

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:17am PT
Religion and superstition have nothing to do with it.

YONHAP/EPA - Holding candles, South Korean parents queue to enter Bongeun Temple in the southern area of Seoul, South Korea, on Nov. 3, 2012, to ask for their children to achieve high results on the nationwide college entrance exam.

Parent's attitudes, intransigent teachers unions and the idiocaracies that pass themselves off as departments of education at the college level are the problem.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:38am PT
was up early this am,, went outside in the COLD fresh air- as the most gentle snow was falling..I looked around at the gorgeous white carpet of fresh snow- spotting tracks that came from a grey fox that had been cruising the hood last night. Those tiny lil footprints in the snow suggested to me, that there IS something beyond our knowledge. Who could invent such a little critter as that fox, with its dainty toes and heels tracking through the snow? He is my friend that fox. We exist in a symbiotic way- i have scraps and he likes scraps and together we go through life.

Surely on such a morning of tranquility there are better and bigger powers at work.. I simply cant point a finger to the actual.

Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:43am PT
There's a god? WTF. Nobody said nuthin 'bout no god.

Trad climber
Golden, CO
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:45am PT
I do wonder if anybody has ever changed their minds about belief in evolution/natural selection as a result of reading these threads. As someone who occasionally contributes to them, I've gone from thinking that with just a little additional evidence that the (wayward) reader might not be aware of, minds could be changed. Now, I don't think so. Having said that, 15% belief rate is darn right scary.

Somewhere out there
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:54am PT
Front row seats at the freak show

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