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Feb 4, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Conspiracy kooks are riles up over what they believe was an illuminati sign flashed by Beyonce last night. And no, I am not making this up.

I was too busy praying for another wardrobe malfunction to notice.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:00am PT
“All the world’s major religions, with their emphasis on love, compassion, patience, tolerance, and forgiveness can and do promote inner values. But the reality of the world today is that grounding ethics in religion is no longer adequate. This is why I am increasingly convinced that the time has come to find a way of thinking about spirituality and ethics beyond religion altogether.”

The Dalai Lama nails it. Fascinating that he is capable of such insight while his native culture, one that is firmly anchored in a spiritual belief structure, is being purposely eliminated by the Chinese. If he was a run of the mill bible thumper he would be embarking on a holy jhad or Armagedon or Jones town or some other delusion of grandeur .

The implications of embracing "ethics beyond religion" would require a repudiation of tribalism, as that is the basis of ethics originating from religion.

Cool post about the neanderthal thing too.

perfect choice of words in the use of "adequate".
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:26am PT
They should definitely grow some neanderthals then protect them as an endangered species.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 4, 2013 - 11:42am PT
HFCS, I repeat for your benefit:

Pope John Paul II:

In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points.......

.....It is important to set proper limits to the understanding of Scripture, excluding any unseasonable interpretations which would make it mean something which it is not intended to mean. In order to mark out the limits of their own proper fields, theologians and those working on the exegesis of the Scripture need to be well informed regarding the results of the latest scientific research.....

Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies—which was neither planned nor sought—constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory.

....The theory proves its validity by the measure to which it can be verified. It is constantly being tested against the facts; when it can no longer explain these facts, it shows its limits and its lack of usefulness, and it must be revised......................

From the Vatican, October 22, 1996, John Paul II

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 4, 2013 - 12:23pm PT
Not many topics where I'd defend the Catholic church, but for all its faults, I don't think they're the ones denying evolution. I learned about evolution, in a Catholic school, from a former Christian Brother.


Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Feb 4, 2013 - 01:48pm PT
Evolution and Creationism are not mutually exclusive.

And saying that 80% of Europeans believe in evolution is really laughable....WTF does that even mean??? So what!

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
bump for Fritz

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 3, 2013 - 09:27pm PT
Just noticed bluerings post. Not mutually exclusive eh.....explain that. Yeah, i like the way Euros think, they're secular, rational and better educated.

Social climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:47pm PT
Redneck hippies just plain scare me.

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Apr 3, 2013 - 09:47pm PT

Bump for Jim!

Trad climber
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:13pm PT

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:19pm PT
Donini? Was my assertion---on this thread the culprit?

Lizards running our American show? The ones in SE Utah are so-----cute.

Utah lizard?  Holy Mormon desert cows actually rule Utah.
Utah lizard? Holy Mormon desert cows actually rule Utah.
Credit: Fritz
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Apr 4, 2013 - 11:05am PT
Redneck hippies just plain scare me.

Hahaha... It really is such a clash of conflicting forms of ignorance, you really don't know what's gon' pop out their durn mouf!
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