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Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:55am PT
no, i didn't watch the video. like i say, way too many links and videos on here, and no one seems to be able to communicate otherwise. i'm assuming it's what i can read on the page--charles manson lending his considerable influence and prestige to the 9/11 truth movement. since we're talking about evolution on this thread, i also assume it's just another little pebble being lobbed my way. or are we working charles manson into the evolution debate? since you have so much time to watch all these things, monolith, why don't you tell us what it's about? i guess you just rushed back here after finding the answer to your question about hilbert transformations on soaps.com. i was expecting the next post to be "hannibal lechter's presidential picks".

and while i've got your attention, you and graniteclimber--same guy, right?

evolution is an avocation of mine too, eeyonkee. your post also shows an inclination to insult others (me, for instance), and i think, to put it in your words, that you are "severely lacking in your understanding" of many aspects of evolution. take note there--two important differences in our rhetoric. i said, "i think you are" and you said, "you are". i said "aspects of evolution" and you said "evolution".

by the way, i must apologize again for confusing you with moosedrool. i may not know much, but i should be expected to be able to count toes on ungulates.

it seems that we had riley on here adhering to a random mutation point of view as the engine of evolution. then we had someone post a paper--i believe it was moosedrool--which seemed to bolster my point of view, that there is an actively experimental aspect, simply because adaptation seems to take place so quickly. would you care to address that, eeyonkee?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:40am PT
I have an evolutionary theory

LEB grew gills, fins and a tinfoil hat.


Only in the human race - and then only in recent history - is it possible for regressive environmental adaptation to be nurtured and promoted as necessary and a priori for the sole purpose of perpetuation of dogma and mythology.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:49am PT
Nothing personal I hope Tony, you are putting yourself in the center of this thread and advocating multiple crazy ideas at the same time. But you are in good company anyway:

Earth to Tom: Rescue Us
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:59am PT
hahaha, I've thought that myself... but then, I am not "here" to talk about physics or any other science, I'm "here" for climbing (and I find I'm less and less "here" because of the lack of it).

I agree with you Ed. As a New Years resolution I've decided to limit my posts on here. It's sad what Supertopo has become. I wonder when Chris will pull the plug.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:21pm PT
The problem, as distasteful a fact as it is, is that much of our problems as humans are psychological and behavioral. Thus, even in a thread devoted ostensibly to science (reason and disciplined process) a large part of it is dominated or at least attempted domination by an agenda of narcissisistic imperialism - those uninterested in a co-operative effort to evolve.

Frustrating yes, but a reality none the less that must be engaged with, as opposed to avoided.

If Tony were ever to gain a lectern and stage at a real conference of science with true experts of whatever the topic is, he would get about two minutes of opinion then be ruthlessly slaughtered by the peer review process and shown the door, mostly because he's not worth the time and energy best directed to the purpose at hand.

That can't happen here of course but we can give it the good college try, because the alternative stinks.
WBraun

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
This place is not a peer review site just opinions and loose general discussions.

You guys take yourselves so seriously you lose your whole experience.

People put all kinds of ideas opinions and whatnot on this site and some of you go ballistics with a fascist agenda of being right.

That's why I always display the sarcastic line "Americans are Stupid" to further infuriate the fools who fall for that line ......

Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:41pm PT
"Americans are Sutpid" - I disagree, although some may be.

Anyway, thanks for not including us Canuckleheads in that.
WBraun

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:48pm PT
Canadians are Stupid tooooooo ....... :-)
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:50pm PT
Braun - What the hell are you talking about? Fascistic? If you want to just shittalk then there are thtreads devoted to exactly that. If its something more technical like science or policy or butt plugs then there are threads for that as well and the best ideas and commentary floats to the top. egalitarianism dosn't mean that whatever spewsout is of equal merit. It means you have equal opportunity, but if you blow that opportunity then you get a swift boot ( well, swift but not necessarily mean) to the back of the bus.

Unless of course you live in a Fox News world where even stupid ideas are equal due to a "Fair and balanced" ethos. And thats why you have red states.
WBraun

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Proves my point ^^^^^^
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:52pm PT
and i'll say it again, it's refreshing to have a polish fellow accusing so many others of stupidity.

Are you Polish Herr Braun ;)
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:53pm PT
"And it's Bad, Bad, Werner Braun,
Baddest man in the whole damn town..."

(to the tune of "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown")
WBraun

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:54pm PT
moosedrool -- That's zbrowns quote

I have no clue what he's referring to ....
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 13, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
eeyonkee, it's a tough row to hoe, eh? :)

Here's what I've learned (or here's what's been reinforced) from participating here:

If there's this much misunderstanding / miscommunication from posting (which is a written system) you can just imagine how much there was long long ago amongst our ancient forebears before written systems were invented or before they evolved. And you can just imagine how much this led to violence.

Participating here is a reminder of why, back in the day, it was wise NOT to discuss religion or politics esp outside your tribe or family.

Supertopo forum, thanks for the lessons.

.....

Hypothesis: Better understanding, along with better communication systems, lead to a decline of violence.

May or may not be a correct hypothesis, I think.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Credit: dirtbag
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 13, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
WBraun, it was Tony Bird's quotation.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 13, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Werner: a fascist agenda of being right.

Pretty humorous coming from the everyone is stupid except the Vedic fairy tales guy.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 13, 2013 - 05:13pm PT
An egocentric claim, but he's certainly a symptom.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/01/12/jerry-springer-i-am-father-destruction-western-civilization


And so also is his claim on the title.
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Jan 13, 2013 - 09:10pm PT
Vedic fairy tales
nutbar religion implies nutbar person
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 14, 2013 - 10:11am PT
i dunno, don paul--you were the one putting charles manson's support of 9/11 conspiracy theory on here--and then telling us you couldn't understand what he said.

at the risk of being ruthlessly slaughtered by scientific peers, i will venture that this thread is approaching critical mass. before we all climb onto andy divine's bronco ride, i'd like to have two thing clarified: are monolith and graniteclimber identical entities? is moosedrool italian or polish?
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