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dirtbag

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:55pm PT
Just look at the mess you've started!
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 8, 2013 - 09:25am PT
donini says he's gone climbing, but i'll bet he's lurking over on the boobs thread, where all the tits stay clear of the wringers.

hook-line-and-sinker, healyje, is your sloppy habit of thought, not mine. if you had spent a little time taking heat in real journalism instead of writing the worthless press releases reporters know to distrust, you would know that there's nothing to be "swallowed" at this stage of the china story.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Jan 8, 2013 - 02:06pm PT

A vignette of the division in America...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AtyKofFih8Y
dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:09am PT
Albert Einstein believed in god. This is well known, not exactly a Ignorant American.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 02:29am PT
one of our respectable scientists on this forum recently reported going to a conference where most of the papers were not recognizable, to him, as science. what i recognized in terms of the general subject matter was an interest in areas rumored to involve back-engineering. yes, technology supposedly gained from alien contacts kept secret from the public. in certain circles, it would appear that respectability is being thrown to the wind.

gee Tony, you love to use the conspiratorial tone to make your posts sound so sexy...

...the stuff being reported was not science, it was not "back-engineering" (is that different from "reverse engineering"?) it was pretty much bullshit that hadn't resulted in anything and while one could say it was "speculative" or "revolutionary" or "daringly unconventional" it doesn't amount to anything at all.

It was pseudo-science.

It's ok to say "Ed Hartouni recently reported..." instead of your all too coy "one of our respectable scientists" (I doubt I get much respect from you... actually, and probably don't deserve any anyway).

If you'd like to wager a bit on any of those ideas at that conference I'm sure we could work something out.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 9, 2013 - 06:11am PT
TB: if you had spent a little time taking heat in real journalism instead of writing the worthless press releases reporters know to distrust...

Brilliant! Just how is it you arrive at these gems? Hey, dude, my stuff - and that of other folks who actually got down in it and dirty - was the stuff name reporters, who by and large spent all their time in bars and whorehouses, were always trying to buy to pass off as their own (which I will admit was sometimes quite lucrative).

Look, Tony, this sort of thing is exactly the problem. You, and and all the other conspiracy and paranormal nodders, just make sh#t up as you go along and then believe each others' fantastical spews, rants, and conjectures. You've all clearly lost the ability to distinguish fact from fiction and so now dwell in an interconnected web of self-reinforcing fantasy where something either insanely great or horribly frightening lurks in every shadow and alley you pass. But check it out: 99.9999% of the time, they're just empty shadows and alleys. What's more, I suspect all you guys would walk right on by the real thing if ever you stumbled upon it in your illusory hazes.

The real world is not deterministic or controlled - it's random, chaotic, messy, and always lurching out of control. My take is you religious, conspiracy and paranormal folk just can't handle that fact and so desperately cling to a belief that someone - good or evil, human or alien, dead or alive, earthly or divine (it really makes no difference) - has a firm hand on the wheel when that's just not the case at all. And guess what? That's actually the best aspect of being alive, but you have to ease up on the fear and drama queen sliders a hair to enjoy it.

So overall I'm thinking Jim get's it half right with 'America the ignorant' - the other half is 'America the delusional'.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 9, 2013 - 07:29am PT
moosedrool: Our project was to create a vehicle that would deliver a gene (DNA) into specific human cells.

Hey, moose, did you catch this one from last week:

Cheap and easy technique to snip DNA could revolutionize gene therapy

Science Express: RNA-Guided Human Genome Engineering via Cas9
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Jan 9, 2013 - 07:35am PT
Ed Hartouni wrote:

It's ok to say "Ed Hartouni recently reported..." instead of your all too coy "one of our respectable scientists" (I doubt I get much respect from you... actually, and probably don't deserve any anyway).

At least you still have a modicum of his respect! I believe it was just last week that I officially lost his last bit for me. It has plagued me ever since ;).
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:33am PT
^^^

When I first moved to California I ended up in Stockton. Don't ask. Anyway it was foggy season, this time of year in fact, 5 days ago, 1986 harhar. When it wasn't raining it was foggy. Sunny California, huh?

At first I had no job and no car (neither situation lasted all that long) so for something to do during the day I took to walking the streets of Stockton (!)

I had a thick Tennessee accent. I walked that whole city, end to end. All the neighborhoods :-) And I'd talk to anyone, banger, cop, hooker, priest, I didn't care.

No one ever messed with me, not once. Sometimes, when down in the neighborhoods along Charter Way, a small group would gather to talk to me, lol. They had to be thinking, WHO IS THIS GOMER PYLE DUDE!

Hahahah, know what? They all thought I was crazy, gone round the bend; unhinged. And I'm a biggun too, which helps. F*#king bangers would WAVE at me!

No one messes with the crazies. It becomes a form of self-defense. Just remember that... yall.

Crazy is a form of self-defense.

DMT
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:36am PT
Huell Howser. Patron saint of Dingus Milktoast.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jan 9, 2013 - 08:42am PT
Yup!!!11111

DMT
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:11am PT
haha, ed--was wondering if you'd be back. please don't call me sexy. you are an always cordial sparring partner, and you'd be surprised at the number of college graduate mathematics majors i've talked with who have never heard of david hilbert. likewise, i have spoken with one professor of physics (claremont) and a caltech/jpl materials scientist who don't know the first thing about the triple alpha process. alas, the scientific "we".

maybe you could link that conference agenda again for andrzej. he's the respect addict here.

healyje should know how little of it i have for "name reporters". they hang out in whorehouses mostly for like company.

the percentage is far worse than 99.9999 for your side, healyje. j. allen hynek discovered that right away when he got hired by the government to debunk it all for the public peanut gallery. and even if it's only 0.0001 for my side, such discrepancies, if they're solid, have been known to upset whole milieux in the fields of science. right, ed?

now if i could only get the OP re-involved. i wonder if he's done many routes on GPA. i wonder what bridwell would say.

a couple quotes for you, dingus:

"hates california
it's cold and it's damp
that's why the lady is a tramp."

and

"since i left plum tree
down in tennessee
it's the first time i've been warm."
dirtbag

climber
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:13am PT
Dingus, my Dad lived in Stockton in the 30s.

In the 70s, my dad went through a nostalgia trip/mid-life crisis, so naturally, we visited his old neighborhood.

If he was alive today, I can't imagine what he would think of what has become of that once sleepy little city.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:18am PT
geez you're up early, dirtbag. you must be one really old fart.

stockton is a tough town because of the maritime influence. that's what a good ship canal will do.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:21am PT
Been up for nearly 2 hours now.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:39am PT
Look, no one is saying there aren't perceived aerial visual or radar 'sightings' we can't explain. But the 99.9999% thing comes into play here again, but in this case as the amount of evidence we don't have in all these cases. That no doubt frustrated Hynek to the point of bother and, in conjunction with dealing with Air Force culture over time, set his conjectural wheels spinning out of control to produce such gems as:

Hynek: I hypothesize an 'M&M' technology encompassing the mental and material realms. The psychic realms, so mysterious to us today, may be an ordinary part of an advanced technology.

He had to come up with that because he understood the astronomical distances involved are otherwise insurmountable in explaining any alien visitation at all. But that, however, is the very definition of a conjecture and a clear indicator that he had long since abandoned science for the realm of pseudo-science to explain the explainable. Unfortunately, it's no more or less than unprovable sci-fi.

My dad was an early radar specialist and military test pilot turned commercial pilot who retired from United 747's after a forty year career in the air. He and his friends and acquaintances in the pilot community saw lots of things they couldn't explain, but neither he nor any of his friends ever put the slightest stock in UFO's as anything more than just that - or, as he puts it: "it's all a crock."
TWP

Trad climber
Mancos, CO
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:50am PT
By the content and "quality" of the discourse on this thread, the posters have collectively proven Mr. Donini's thesis: "America the ignorant." Congratulations Mr. Donini: sheer genius.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:54am PT
i think your problem is likewise the scientific "we", healyje. there really isn't anything more out there than individual people with individual understandings. sometimes they coincide remarkably, sometimes not, but the shortcomings of "scientific" knowledge leaves a lot of solid information off your radar.

there's a lot more than "sightings" involved. as an example, looking at that salla link to the recent russian documentary, they report an identical experience to what our nuclear weapons handlers once had in north dakota: the presence of a ufo shutting them down completely, and then the immediate response of higher-ups to hush-hush everything.

logical people can't accept such reliable testimonies as "anomalies". there are only two logical scenarios to be induced. either there is a far superior, secret human technology and interest which is perversely being hidden from the public, or there are nonhuman entities and their cultures involved.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 9, 2013 - 09:57am PT
You do realize that the "X-files" was fiction?
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 9, 2013 - 10:01am PT
what you don't realize, dirtbag, is that writers for the x-files got their material not from their vivid imaginations--you will find very little vivid imagination in hollywood--but from "abductee" and "contactee" reports such as you will find from MUFON and elsewhere in the ufological community you like to decry as tin hats and flakes. the writers merely "fictionalize" what many others consider real--and present it in a way where it can be considered "entertainment". they've got a good thing going.

i don't mind adding that stephen spielberg fits right in with healyje's "name reporters" in this department. while the david ickes and david wilcocks of the world tell you about dastardly reptoids living beneath the earth, spielberg puts out two movies--super 8 and cowboys and aliens--which deal with naughty subterranean aliens.

yea, norton is all over the einstein question. seems like we were talking about all that a year ago. einstein had many people writing to him for some sort of pronouncement on divine and religious matters. i think he very gracefully told them they were barking up the wrong tree.
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