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Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
don't exclude the possibility of existence of very advanced aliens with "god" like abilities. At the same time I think they are completely irreverent to our actions.

keerful, moosedrool, they're gonna be on yer case in no time. we don't have klimmer to kick around any more.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
...religion is in our genes, literally. It is thus against our nature not to be religious. That is why it is much easier to convert a born atheist to a religious person than other way around.

An interesting statement but entirely counter to my experience.

Religion is not in my genes (unless climbing is a religion..;-)

I was born to a family of church musicians, Anglican Episcopal, who believed deeply in their church and their god. From a very young age I saw it all as a bunch of hogwash.

Personally I have seen many more people abandon religion as they grow up than the other way 'round.

WBraun

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:34pm PT
Meh ...

These pussy ignorant atheists don't know sh!t about God to begin with.

All they do is hurl empty impotent words with no power.

The proof to God is his transcendental sound vibrations chanted without offenses.

One can immediately feel the effect.

Only foolish rascals never make the experiments but only hurl useless impotent words that do nothing.
Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Jan 6, 2013 - 03:48pm PT
I thought I felt the vibrations of foolish rascal WBraun's useless impotent words chanted. Was that God?

WBraun.

I simple wouldn't resist.

Marlow
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 6, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Intellectual hierarchy and social democracy don't mix. Scientific "fact" is not determined in the voting booth.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 6, 2013 - 04:23pm PT
Some info on “religion is in our genes”.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/weekinreview/12wade.html?_r=0

Religion has the hallmarks of an evolved behavior, meaning that it exists because it was favored by natural selection. It is universal because it was wired into our neural circuitry before the ancestral human population dispersed from its African homeland.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7147-genes-contribute-to-religious-inclination.html

The team gave questionnaires to 169 pairs of identical twins - 100% genetically identical - and 104 pairs of fraternal twins - 50% genetically identical - born in Minnesota.
The twins, all male and in their early 30s, were asked how often they currently went to religious services, prayed, and discussed religious teachings. This was compared with when they were growing up and living with their families. Then, each participant answered the same questions regarding their mother, father, and their twin.
The twins believed that when they were younger, all of their family members - including themselves - shared similar religious behaviour. But in adulthood, however, only the identical twins reported maintaining that similarity. In contrast, fraternal twins were about a third less similar than they were as children.
"That would suggest genetic factors are becoming more important and growing up together less important," says team member Matt McGue, a psychologist at the University of Minnesota.

There are many more studies like that and even attempts to isolate the genes that make us religious. Of course we are not 100% slaves to our genes. They just make as more susceptible to religious believes, that’s all.
WBraun

climber
Jan 6, 2013 - 04:30pm PT
It's impossible to ever be separated from God.

The only separation occurs due to losing ones constitutional consciousness due to contact with the inferior material energy, ie Material nature.

We are part parcel of God.

We have all qualities but not the quantity.

Atheists just plain are in absolute ignorance of their real constitutional position ......
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 6, 2013 - 10:05pm PT
Werner -

God is one thing.

Religion is something else all together

Yes.

My earlier post was in reference to organized religion which I think is bs. But when I look at the world and life and beyond I am not an atheist, I am like an ant on a beach.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 6, 2013 - 10:19pm PT
let's get back to your very advanced aliens with godlike abilities, moosiedroolie. i find some compelling evidence for this myself. the possibility that this is the "reality" we must all ultimately deal with has given rise to some intense, far-out speculation in a "new" field dubbed exopolitics. here's a sampler of this crowd:

http://exopolitics.org/

http://projectcamelotportal.com/

http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/

http://exopolitics.blogspot.com/

before the predictable supertopo stoning begins, take a look at the first report on that first thread. michael salla, who came into exopolitics from a rather solid academic background, examines reports that dmitry medvedev, the current prime minister of russia and not exactly a political lightweight, is taking these ideas quite seriously too.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Jan 6, 2013 - 10:21pm PT
I am like an ant on a beach

Or a bug on a wall?
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Jan 6, 2013 - 11:33pm PT
I am like an ant on a beach

Or a bug on a wall?

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Hubble Captures a Collection of Ancient Stars
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/ancient-stars.html

Psalm 39:4 “Lord, make me to know my end,
And what is the measure of my days,
That I may know how frail I am.
5 Indeed, You have made my days as handbreadths,
And my age is as nothing before You;
Certainly every man at his best state is but vapor. Selah
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:22am PT
...let's get back to your very advanced aliens with godlike abilities, moosiedroolie. i find some compelling evidence for this myself.

You may want to think so, but in reality there is no scientific evidence even vaguely broaching 'probable', let alone"compelling".
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 7, 2013 - 12:52am PT
Tony B, I was into those Daniken speculations when I was in my twenties. Not so much now. I think it was a withdrawal syndrom after I quit religion. Conspiracy theory is very close to religion. I blame our religious genes for that.

Miedwiediew has a good sense of humor.

Edit: Donini is probably thinking " what the heck have I started?". But he can't delete it. He is not a tosser!
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:22am PT
there has been much speculation about whether medvedev was joking. it's interesting that his reference to men in black seems to have nothing to do with the string of spielberg movies, but a serious russian documentary by that name which was released last month, which is linked on michael salla's report. you might take a look at that, moose--it's subtitled with english, but there's a lot more that's being said that wasn't translated.

if you're still back there with daniken, you have a lot of homework to do. i would recommend beginning with jacques vallee's books. incidentally, vallee has reported a conversation he had with spielberg during the time of producing close encounters of the third kind, a movie which inserts a character, a french scientist, as a tribute to vallee and his disciplined ufological investigations.

vallee has taken a differing view of what most of the world considers visitations, interference and harrassment of ETs from other star systems. he finds the material identical to what we have from folklore and mythology, and has speculated that it's some sort of built-in "discipline" to the human milieu. at the very least, it involves other dimensions and "spiritual" aspects which our modern science cannot engage.

"you're probably right," came spielberg's reply at the end of a very weighty conversation. "but this is hollywood, and people want to believe in ET, and i'm going to give them what they want."
dirtbag

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:24am PT
Some people just naturally gravitate towards kookery.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 09:48am PT
you and healyje get on my case like flies on sh#t, dirtbag. remember, when it comes to flies and sh#t, that the attraction does not reflect well on the flies.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Chemtrails, aliens, and illuminati (oh my)!

Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:24am PT
it's probably worth noting that this very thread was begun by jim donini, who loves to come onto chemtrail, illuminati and other off-topic "nonsense" and scold supertopoans for not posting enough about climbing. somehow, he couldn't live by his own rules. admit it, dirtbag, you're fascinated by the sh#t, like any self-respecting housefly out there.
moosedrool

Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Jan 7, 2013 - 10:50am PT
Posting that early, people? Well, I can't sleep either.

Tony B. I will read some more. Curiosity got the best of me, like always.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 11:01am PT
we call it an alpine start. i don't suppose you need those in the tatras. :-)
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