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weezy

climber

Dec 29, 2012 - 02:52am PT

seems kinda childish and covetous to feel "uncomfortable" about this kind of situation. unless you are hanging on to some ancient "my woman = my property" sort of morality, or a sophmore in the throes of a tragic breakup. maybe gunkie is just trying out his new Fisher Price Internet Trolling Kit™ he got for xmas.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Dec 29, 2012 - 03:05am PT

I'm really sorry this thread didn't focus on the wonderful work of Conrad's climbing school and workshops for Sherpas which has saved countless Sherpa lives. The Sherpas themselves are certainly cognizant of the decline in fatalities thanks to knowing some mountaineering technique now.

I also know a lot about the guilt of the survivor. It's endemic to everyone who shares a pursuit at which someone else who was more skilled than they, dies, and they are left alive.

And then there's the issue of remarriage. How is it that people who support gay marriage frown at widow remarriage? As an anthropologist I can tell you that many societies including the Hebrew Old Testament, mandate marrying a brother's widow. That's why it's called the levirate. Many other warrior societies like the Plains Indians had such agreements between ceremonial brothers as well. Then there are the agricultural societies like India and China that mandated life long widowhood even for teenage widows. Which do you think brought about greater human happiness and productivity?

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Dec 29, 2012 - 08:14am PT

I was on an expedition where half of our six-man team was killed. I had survivor's guilt for 3 decades. I thought that the other survivors hated me.

Then I met the other survivors 30 years later - and one of the widows, and his 30 year-old daughter who was in utero at the time of his death. The warm reception that I received was very healing, and I realize now that I had nothing to do with the accident.

I wish that I had known about survivor's guilt 30 years ago.