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Ihateplastic

Trad climber

It ain't El Cap, Oregon

Dec 28, 2012 - 10:44pm PT

I just didn't like seeing Alex being edited out. That was a bit creepy.

I knew Alex and climbed with him in Bozeman. Took a hike with him and the family not long before his accident. The hike served as a way to interview him for a Climbing magazine article that I never felt comfy doing after that.

A great guy. And one of the most born-to-climb guys I ever knew. It always amazed me to see him throw a 60#-plus pack on his shoulders and take off with those wire-thin legs of his at a pace that I couldn't match with a daypack.

healyje

Trad climber

Portland, Oregon

Dec 28, 2012 - 11:30pm PT

Is it just me, or does anyone else think this thread is unbelievably inappropriate and should be deleted as soon as possible.

Ihateplastic

Trad climber

It ain't El Cap, Oregon

Dec 28, 2012 - 11:36pm PT

Don't usually like seeing threads deleted since it is a form of censorship but agree with Joseph on this one.

weezy

climber

Dec 28, 2012 - 11:52pm PT

seems kinda childish and covetous to feel "uncomfortable" about this kind of situation. unless you are hanging on to some ancient "my woman = my property" sort of morality, or a sophmore in the throes of a tragic breakup. maybe gunkie is just trying out his new Fisher Price Internet Trolling Kit™ he got for xmas.

Jan

Mountain climber

Okinawa, Japan

Dec 29, 2012 - 12:05am PT

I'm really sorry this thread didn't focus on the wonderful work of Conrad's climbing school and workshops for Sherpas which has saved countless Sherpa lives. The Sherpas themselves are certainly cognizant of the decline in fatalities thanks to knowing some mountaineering technique now.

I also know a lot about the guilt of the survivor. It's endemic to everyone who shares a pursuit at which someone else who was more skilled than they, dies, and they are left alive.

And then there's the issue of remarriage. How is it that people who support gay marriage frown at widow remarriage? As an anthropologist I can tell you that many societies including the Hebrew Old Testament, mandate marrying a brother's widow. That's why it's called the levirate. Many other warrior societies like the Plains Indians had such agreements between ceremonial brothers as well. Then there are the agricultural societies like India and China that mandated life long widowhood even for teenage widows. Which do you think brought about greater human happiness and productivity?

Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber

Old and Broken Down in Appalachia

Dec 29, 2012 - 05:14am PT

I was on an expedition where half of our six-man team was killed. I had survivor's guilt for 3 decades. I thought that the other survivors hated me.

Then I met the other survivors 30 years later - and one of the widows, and his 30 year-old daughter who was in utero at the time of his death. The warm reception that I received was very healing, and I realize now that I had nothing to do with the accident.

I wish that I had known about survivor's guilt 30 years ago.