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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Dec 27, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
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Ken M, we need some people like you to go down below the Underworld area in Castle Rock SP and cart back up all the growing materials and irrigation conduit left down there by the growers beneath the Green Monster formation. The stuff has been left down there for at least 5 years and, as far as I know, no one has done anything about it so far. Correct me if I'm wrong I hope.
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TWP
Trad climber
Mancos, CO
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Dec 27, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
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^^^^
"Ken M, we need some people like you to go down below the Underworld area in Castle Rock SP and cart back up all the growing materials and irrigation conduit left down there by the growers beneath the Green Monster formation. "
Hey, why do "SOME PEOPLE" need to clean up this mess?
Why not YOU (Bruce Morris) be the organizer. Why not SUPERTOPEANS (specifically those who most likely would use Castle Rock/Green Monster) be the organizers?
Reminds me of the old story entitled "Whose Job Is It" and it's about somebody, nobody and everybody:
It goes like this:
"This is a story about four people named Everybody, Somebody,
Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and
Everybody was asked to do it. Everybody was sure Somebody would
do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody
got angry about that, because it was Everybody's job. Everybody
thought Anybody could do it but Nobody realized that Everybody
wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when
Nobody did what Anybody could have done."
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the albatross
Gym climber
Flagstaff
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Dec 27, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
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Here is an interesting film called "Breaking the Taboo" which discusses the tragedy and failure of the war on drugs.
"Narrated by Morgan Freeman and Gael Garcia Bernal, this groundbreaking new documentary uncovers the UN sanctioned war on drugs, charting its origins and its devastating impact on countries like the USA, Colombia and Russia. Featuring prominent statesmen including Presidents Clinton and Carter, the film follows The Global Commission on Drug Policy on a mission to break the political taboo and expose the biggest failure of global policy in the last 50 years."
2 minute trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2vqpNT1kV4
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dec 27, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
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"Don't blame the pot growers. Put the blame where it really belongs - on the pot smokers."
this sounds rather simplistic and parroted talking point rather than well thought out to me - by the same logic : so car drivers are responsible for oil spills ?
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
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The same LATimes also ran an article a few days later NOW stating that the Mexican Cartel Connection might be a wee bit overblown. The gist of the article suggests that what we really have in the woods are a bunch of out-of-work former Construction Framers and Field Workers looking to make a few bucks.
In other words - the big bad drug boogie man turns out to mostly be unemployed guys named Gonzalez from Fresno.
While the connection to major Mexican drug cartels may be mostly SWAT Team wet dreams, the fact remains that these dirtbags are trashing the woods in a big way. That has to stop.
Also to be asked is who is doing the buying of this garbage?
In state, a lot of this blood weed goes to the marginal low rent dispensaries in LA, with a fair amount also being picked up by so-called Brokers who ship it to the East Coast where yokels will buy anything that even looks like weed.
The reputable dispensaries generally buy from known growers with well-documented nurseries and methods of cultivation. When I was donating to a couple of local centers - I had to be inspected before acceptance as a grower/patient and always had my produce tested for contaminants prior to release for users.
This problem with guerrillas will not go away until the demand for their cheap crap stops. Either grow your own (expensive and not easy with today's finicky strains)or shop with a reputable collective.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
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My 2c. And I'm not a weed-smoker.
I have tried it on more than one occasion, did inhale, but would not recommend smoking it to anyone. zBrownies should be evaluated, but here I have no recommendation.
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Josh Higgins
Trad climber
San Diego
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
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Supply and demand: pot smokers suck big time also. They fund some pretty disgusting things in this world to feed their habit/addiction.
Josh
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rincon
Trad climber
SoCal
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
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They fund some pretty disgusting things in this world to feed their habit/addiction.
The same could said about people who eat beef and poultry.
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
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I hear that whole post in your Smoooooove voice Mr Ricky D - tingles ;-)
why are you not on the radio...
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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Well...at least ONE of us was medicated ;)
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dec 27, 2012 - 11:57pm PT
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omg dude i'm laughing my ass off - i need to get my sh#t out there, and soon...
we should stage a smoke out. Only organically grown certified safe and approved weed, burn the chem crap in a pile in front of us, sit on the steps of the state capitol and send a statement...order some food...
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MisterE
Social climber
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Dec 28, 2012 - 12:02am PT
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Hey, I like the thread hijack! Pictures of PMB pointing aimlessly - who knew?
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paganmonkeyboy
climber
mars...it's near nevada...
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Dec 28, 2012 - 12:09am PT
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careful - there are Hundreds of these ;-) since I never have two arms and don't climb on film...
that's shortly before I left the ground without my harness doubled back, btw...this day is FOREVER BURNED IN MY MIND ;-) that could have been sooooo ugli...don't ever talk to riley while peeing dammit...
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Dec 28, 2012 - 12:33am PT
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TWP wrote:
"Ken M, we need some people like you to go down below the Underworld area in Castle Rock SP and cart back up all the growing materials and irrigation conduit left down there by the growers beneath the Green Monster formation. "
Hey, why do "SOME PEOPLE" need to clean up this mess?
Why not YOU (Bruce Morris) be the organizer. Why not SUPERTOPEANS (specifically those who most likely would use Castle Rock/Green Monster) be the organizers?
Reminds me of the old story entitled "Whose Job Is It" and it's about somebody, nobody and everybody:
To be fair to Bruce, I thought the same at first. However, when I actually participated, it was an eye-opener.
First, this is on public land. You can't just go do this stuff. You are out in a growth site without permission, you might be mistaken in your intent.
Second, one needs training in how to handle some of this stuff. It's not my specialty (I tend to stick to trailwork these days), but one has to get a lot of training to do this stuff. Just to work around helicopters takes training and equipment.
There is a fair amount of specialized gear needed, such as the helicoptor nets. (oh, and helicoptors....and they don't come cheap) On the Sierra west side we often work with H-40, the CHP helo out of Fresno, the same one that does evac in Yos. They are highly skilled guys.
So it is not as simple to organize as it might seem.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Dec 28, 2012 - 12:43am PT
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That's the real problem, Ken M: It's illegal to go to the area in the first place & you'd need to receive permission from State Parks to actually visit the bottom land there on "official business". So far, from what I've heard, the Rangers haven't taken it out probably because it would take a heck of a lot of work carting all those oil drums and pieces of conduit up 1,400 ft of watershed gully choked with stinging nettles. The best way would be for helicopters to land and fly back out with the stuff hanging from below. I doubt there's a budget or the political will necessary to do just that. A nice little 2,800 ft round trip to carry back one piece of pipe or one oil drum just doesn't make a dent in the garbage pile. People are talking about doing it and that's a big step in the right direction. There was a shoot out in Castle Rock State Park below the waterfall once. A grower was killed or wounded I believe. Just wouldn't be a good idea to go snooping around down there without the Rangers in on the caper. Will ask around and see what the current status of the site is today. I've heard there's plastic pipe, metal oil drums and bags of fertilizer, but would need to inspect the site and see what needs to come back up.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Dec 28, 2012 - 12:46am PT
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The locals need to run those Mexicans out of town. Homegrown weed should end any profitability of Mexican Cartel run grow operations in Cali.
Seriously. Grow more weed, sustainably, force the price down by oversupply, and narc on every Mexican operation period. They couldn't care less about the environment.
As for the weapons, weed growers get their crops ripped off. Most of them wouldn't shoot to harm.
As marijuana becomes legal, the profit will go out of it. The cartels won't make any money smuggling in weed. This will help empty our prisons of non violent offenders.
I don't even smoke pot, but giving a dime to the Mexican Cartels is like passing the hat for Satan.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 28, 2012 - 08:33am PT
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this sounds rather simplistic and parroted talking point rather than well thought out to me - by the same logic : so car drivers are responsible for oil spills ?
If the shoe fits, wear it
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dipper
climber
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Dec 28, 2012 - 09:50am PT
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Yesterday on KQED radio was an interesting show. As the price goes down, long time growers in Humboldt/Mendo area are planting more to keep revenue the same. They are taking so much water out of the rivers, it is affecting coho salmon negatively.
The point brought up in the Bee article DMT mentions is brought up as well.
Guests:
Anthony (Tony) Silvaggio, lecturer in the department of sociology at Humboldt State University, and an environmental sociologist with the newly formed Humboldt Institute for Interdisciplinary Marijuana Research
Charley Custer, marijuana grower and co-founder of the Tea House Collective, a collective of Humboldt farmers who grow organic, sustainably farmed cannabis
Mike Jakubal, documentary filmmaker, environmental activist and 20-year resident of Humboldt County
Scott Bauer, staff environmental scientist for the California Department of Fish and Game
Scott Greacen, executive director of Friends of the Eel River, a nonprofit dedicated to restoring the Eel River and tributaries
http://www.kqed.org/a/forum/R201212270900
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 28, 2012 - 10:55am PT
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And don't overlook the estimate that 10% of the electricity used in Cali
is going towards indoor pot farms. Do we really need that?
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