NorCal pot farmers - YOU SUCK BIG TIME !!!!!!


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Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Dec 29, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
Smoke on DMT!

Love your bear poop stories - you are like the Huell Howser of the Central Valley - only not gay and not on PBS and man I mean this in a damn good way!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 11:47am PT
Now it appears they are killing off the threatened Fisher. 83% of the Fishers
in this study tested positive for the anti-coagulants found in the rodent
poisons the pot growers are using.

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Sierra pot-growing sites may be lethal for rare forest animal

Pesticides and poisons commonly used by illegal marijuana growers in the Sierra Nevada are found in dead fishers, a study says.

By Bettina Boxall, Los Angeles Times
June 30, 2013, 11:58 p.m.

The illegal marijuana-growing operations that have proliferated in remote areas of the Sierra Nevada appear to be taking a toll on the fisher, a forest animal whose numbers are dangerously low.

Researchers studying fishers in the Sierra National Forest in the southern Sierra found that mortality rates were significantly higher for females living in areas with a number of marijuana-growing sites.

Liberal amounts of pesticides and anticoagulant rodent poison are commonly used at the operations, tainting small prey the fisher eats.

Although consuming contaminated prey may not kill the fishers outright, it could make them more susceptible to disease and parasites.

"Exposure may predispose an animal to dying from other causes," wrote the authors, who summarized their findings in a paper published this week in the journal Conservation Letters.

Their research was a follow-up to an earlier study that found that tissue of 85% of 46 dead fishers contained traces of anticoagulants. Most of those animals had been killed by predators.

The fisher is a cat-size animal that is a candidate for listing under the federal Endangered Species Act. For the latest study, the scientists trapped fishers, outfitted them with radio collars and released them. The team then compared the animals' movements with the location of marijuana-growing sites found by national forest law enforcement officers.

The final analysis excluded male fishers because their extensive movements made it harder to gauge exposure to the marijuana plots.

Noting that some of the pesticide compounds used at the sites were first developed as nerve agents during World War II, the researchers likened the pot operations to leaking chemical weapons stockpiles.

The association between growing operations and fisher mortality is "strong yet speculative," wrote the authors, who noted it was difficult to determine a specific cause-and-effect relationship.

But they said the contamination raised serious conservation concerns.

"By increasing the number of animals that die from supposedly natural causes, these pesticides may be tipping the balance of recovery for fishers," warned Craig Thompson, the study's lead author and a U.S. Forest Service wildlife ecologist at the Pacific Southwest Research Station.

Pot Growers Killing Fishers

It is time to send in the National Guard.
Or better yet use the special ops guys returning from Afghanistan.

Social climber
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:50am PT
Better still, fully legalize it & get it out of the mountains.

The Granite State.
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:35pm PT
Yup. Legalize it.

It's a no brainier for most of us, but enforcement budgets are at stake, so it remains illegal.

The prohibition is purely political, and it is wrong.

I can only begin to imagine how much money legalization would save the taxpayers, but it would be dramatic.

Freaking LEO's and their political weight are hurting everyone.

Many of my friends will suffer, but it's for the greater good.
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Legalize it, don't criticize it.

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Topic Author's Reply - Jul 1, 2013 - 12:42pm PT
So, pontificators, during the years it takes to get legalized we should just sit back and engage in hand-wringing while those phuktards destroy the environment? (not to mention make it extremely dangerous go into vast areas of NorCal)
Jebus H Bomz

Peavine Basecamp
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
I don't think the DEA is wringing its hands.

So, if I'm pro legalization I'm anti-environment? Damn!

I don't even smoke the sticky icky anymore.

Yeah, I don't like the environmental impact either. How correlated are all these impacts to pot farmers though?

I'm completely pro-legalization for recreational, or any other use you think you have for the bud.

Saliva tests for DUI checks.

Who knows if some wouldn't pull a moonshiner culture on this bitch though and grow the tax free kind? I'd turn in that f*#ker in an instant if it were legalized.

The Granite State.
Jul 1, 2013 - 12:46pm PT
Obviously, we should enforce it while it's illegal.

We should simply change it's legal status.

Is it possible to put a federal proposition on the ballots? (This may be a dumb question, I'm not very educated about federal law)

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jul 1, 2013 - 02:37pm PT
"Is it possible to put a federal proposition on the ballots?"

Not nationwide.

Once the government gets its hands on something, and f*#ks it up, the best we can do to fix it is elect the right people.

Right now, the Feds are doing things The Democrat Way. We can keep doing it the Democrat Way, or we can elect Republicans ( like The Republican Way would be any better ).

But that's it for our options once we allow The Government to get control of something. We're locked in.

Moral of the story? Be damn careful when you allow the government in, because once in it ain't leaving.
Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Jul 1, 2013 - 10:32pm PT
TWP and Ken M, I am involved with a group her in the east the does clean ups using a modification of a rescue haul system. The modification is that instead of a 3:1 ir 4:1 we use a Ford F 150 or what ever is available. Needing a road nearby is a limitation. Would that work for any of the sites that need work out there?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 1, 2013 - 10:34pm PT
That Fisher study sounds like a lotta bullshit to me.

Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Jul 1, 2013 - 11:26pm PT
Why Dingus. You cant argue with facts. 36 out of 46 animals that wew found dead had rodentside in their system. That is alarming and indicates to me that it could have some impact on teir ability to survive. Neurptoxins slow reaction times in most animals and hemoragic toxins can cause anemia that can lead to weakness and therfore slowed reaction times. Bad things when trying to avoid other predators.

Both have negative implications for fertility.

I can also see eliminating males that travel a much larger range than females who have to stay in a limited area at least durring denning.

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Jul 2, 2013 - 12:21am PT
it is legal, up here in the great white north, where you guys been?

you mean the feds?

screw those fag eaters,


Jul 2, 2013 - 12:49am PT
This legalization trend is going to start cutting into the CIA's black budget funded by their drug importation business. LOL. Maybe they'll have to turn to kidnapping or worse in their new enterprises?

Trad climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:10am PT
Legalize it don't critizize it LEGALIZE IT YEAH YEAH don't advertize it

Trad climber
Jul 2, 2013 - 03:24am PT
i feel bad for all the people who preach how natural pot is. so many 'nutrients' poured into those plants whether indoor or out.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Jul 2, 2013 - 10:17am PT
The average American lawn is deluged with chemicals, as well. The average American farmer dumps tons of chemicals on her crops, every year. And the whole world hates rats. Maybe this study is solid at isolating Fishers near pot farms from Fishers near mountain cabins, or horse packing camps, or ranger stations, or homesteads. Dunno.

Anyway, there's a lot of chemicals being released into the environment that aren't stamped 'pot farm.' Not to excuse pot farmers mind you.

Crazy Bat

Sport climber
Birmingham, AL & Seweanee, TN
Jul 2, 2013 - 11:53pm PT
Good point Dingus. I couldnt find info on where the animals were collected. Just a statement that the focused on animals found near known grows. The other sites you mention make one think.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Jul 3, 2013 - 01:33am PT
Growing pot indoors in CA makes no sense whatsoever given the amount of sun available.

That's great if the DA in your neighborhood doesn't care. Ours does. Fresno's does.

The DA here told a grower friend straight up, if you grow indoors we have no beef, it's your home and we have far more to do than kicking in YOUR door.

The primary concern here is that pot-stealing is easier if the grow is outdoors and this leads to gunplay.

Sport climber
Jul 3, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Too bad people can't live without their drugs. Life is beautiful without blurring reality.
A lot of unhappy people out there, so I guess it is understandable though.
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