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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:49pm PT
Yes,Mono, thats been the story. But TINY KIDS,, still is beyond me.. The DEVIL exists if this is the case.

Perhaps its just id RATHER think there be some ulterior motive in some vein effort to make any sense of this at all. Those with agendas have CERTAINLY jumped on this tragedy.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
Once you commit that first heinous crime, like shooting your mother in the head multiple times, whatever follows is not much of a surprise.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:32pm PT
How many thousands of violent heinous crimes are committed against someone the assailant personally had a problem with vs. psychotics killing random people/kids?

People murder people every second of every day. The VAST majority do not go kill random people and themselves afterwards. It's a huge step from killing someone you hate to killing random people you do not know.

I have yet to see a complete report of everything this kid was on, or anyone of the recent killers for that matter, including ones we KNOW were medicated (like Holmes). It's being covered up by lots and lots of green stuff. Nobody wants to say a damn thing.

They're even doing a DNA analysis on Adam L... What a waste. Everyone is dancing around the fact that we know certain chemicals can cause this exact behavior in any one of us.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:36pm PT
Everyone is dancing around the fact that we know certain chemicals can cause this exact behavior in any one of us.

And that certain tools make this exact behavior much more destructive.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:41pm PT
Taggants! a crazy idea from the past discredited but comes up now and then.
why is this a crazy idea? It would certainly provide information about where ammunition comes from, and also provide a tie between a shooter and the discharge. Seems to be a potential effective criminal prosecution technology.

As for rebellion being written into the 2nd Amendment, it is not... and while the "framers" talked a lot about rebellion "being good" it doesn't mean it is legal, or supported by the constitution, it is not.

The Shay's rebellion, which is the one Jefferson wrote about,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shay%27s_rebellion
happens before the current Constitution... and likely resulted in the strengthening of Federal power, not the diminishing of it... though STForum historians could probably weigh in on this...
jstan

climber
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:49pm PT
From Lanza's point of view it was just a suicide. That was the only death that mattered. You look at his history and what seems true is that he never really mattered. No one ever required anything of him. Well, he decided his exit would matter. He would fix that.

Even here on ST we have had situations where products of big pharma have caused devastation. These side effects are well known and have been a factor in similar events. Pull this up on the net and look at what you see.

Why are we not insisting the FDA look into this? Very seriously.

The industry value of these drugs is reported variously as between $3,000,0000,0000 and $10,000,000,000 a year. While their efficacy is under serious medical question.

The report below says 10% of our population has used these antidepressants, and use doubled in just ten years. If we say the chance of these killings occurs out at six sigma that comes to 30 people.

That's getting there. That's getting there.


http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/brain-and-behavior/articles/2009/08/03/antidepressant-use-in-us-has-almost-doubled


By Amanda Gardner
HealthDay Reporter

MONDAY, Aug. 3 (HealthDay News) -- Antidepressant use among U.S. residents almost doubled between 1996 and 2005, along with a concurrent rise in the use of other psychotropic medications, a new report shows.

The increase seemed to span virtually all demographic groups.

"Over 10 percent of people over the age of 6 were receiving anti-depression medication. That strikes me as significant," said study author Dr. Mark Olfson, a professor of clinical psychiatry at Columbia University/New York State Psychiatric Institute in New York City.

According to background information in the study, antidepressants are now the most widely prescribed class of drugs in the United States. The expansion in use dates back to the 1980s, with the introduction of the antidepressant Prozac (fluoxetine).


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 04:50pm PT
+1^^^^^^^^^^^^^
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 2, 2013 - 05:02pm PT
Check out:

This is about the author behind the website:

http://davidhealy.org/the-story-of-ssri-stories/

Then read:

http://ssristories.com/index.html
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 05:04pm PT
Send THAT to your congressman..^^^^^
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 3, 2013 - 12:33pm PT




You can get your own here.

http://northeasternsafetysupply.com/vmchk/Miscellaneous/Gun-Sign/flypage.tpl.html
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 3, 2013 - 12:36pm PT
Thought this was an interesting article:

"According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.

For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick.

And it seems fairly obvious that if more people had a gun, less people would be inclined to try to hit them in the head with a hammer."
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Jan 3, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
Thought this was an interesting article:
When was the last time someone entered a crowded place with a hammer and killed twenty people? How many people are accidentally killed by a hammer each year? There are far more blunt instruments in the world, so on a per-item basis, rifles are still much more dangerous, and I'm willing to bet that the proportion of murders vs. manslaughter is much higher for the rifle homicides.
Finally, if you assign the "type not stated" number in proportion to the stated types, then you don't just get a "slight increase", those numbers come much closer.

Still, rifles are not the biggest problem, but nobody ever said they were. The full content of those homicide statistics is much more troubling.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

TE
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
There is no feverish push to ban many types of rifles. There is legitimate concern to consider banning assault rifles capable of killing dozens of people in minutes and/or make it harder for mentally unstable people to acquire them.
WBraun

climber
Jan 3, 2013 - 01:57pm PT
Anybody seen any bodies?

Lanza bodies? The mother and son?

Nope nothing, zilch, nada.

Only thing you all have seen is what you've been fed.

The herd is always fed by the farmer .......

splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane ~:~
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:15pm PT
WB - Anyone seen the bodies?

Really Werner, get a grip on things bro (reality)!

I am sure there are PLENTY of individuals that have seen THE bodies (unfortunately). And they probabaly work in a similar capacity as you. If you really wanted to see pictures, or speak to the first responders & various follow-up responders, etc, they would confirm the deaths. Or better yet, speak with their loved ones, I'm sure they have "seen their bodies"!!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
WB, why do you keep coming back to the trough? Aren't you full yet? Maybe you need to go walk some of it off?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 3, 2013 - 02:33pm PT
jstan,

The FDA keeps a very tight reign on antidepressants. The prescribing doctors, of course, still have discretion on their use.

I, for one, am very grateful for the existence of both doctors and antidepressants. As I've posted elsewhere, I suffer from an endogenous depression (i.e. unrelated to outside events or circumstances), and have been on medication since 2005. The only effects of that medication have been to eliminate the depression and to give me extremely entertaining dreams. I rather suspect that I will need medication for the rest of my life, but if that's what it takes to live normally, I'm happy.

Of course, I'm also very fortunate. I've had chats with at least one other poster who was prescribed the same medication I take, with bad results. I've heard enough other stories to convince me that the benefits of antidepressants are oversold. If I'm unhappy because my wife died, I probably don't need an antidepressant; I need time. If, as I was, I'm not only unhappy, but don't seem to give a rip about anything, for no good reason, that's where antidepressants may do some good, but the results appear to be highly idiosyncratic.

My personal take is that both antidepressants and their criticisms are exaggerated. For me, they were a magic bullet (pun intended on this thread) that has completely controlled my disease, but we still have a lot to learn about brain chemistry and how to manage it better.

John
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:17pm PT
For all the Gun Nuts




Simple examination shows you don't have the upper hand in an emergency
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:25pm PT
It's about political freedom Jingy.

Not hunting.

Not defense.


This:
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
    Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

Hope that helps.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
I no longer have the political freedom to tell jokes about bombs in airports or other public places... and my jokes don't have the potential to kill dozens of people in a matter of minutes. Thomas Jefferson never even saw a gun that could fire more than one shot without reloading. While I can appreciate his taste for French whores and such, his views about gun control are completely outdated and irrelevant.

So you can take your political freedom and stuff it!
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