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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
First paragraph of the article:

"These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bare arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions."

I'm glad I have the right to bare arms. Long sleeve shirts on hot days are awful here.

Diction error aside, though, it certainly reflects a perspective rather different from most of ours.

John
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:19pm PT

For those of us fighting for our traditional rights, the US 2nd Amendment is a rare light in an ever darkening room. Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:27pm PT
Ed,, so by saying the Black Panthers have free access to guns , gun laws will somehow help that situation?

that wasn't my response, that was the response of the California State Government to the legal acquisition and possession of guns by the Black Panthers, the tightening of gun laws in the state, by a republican governor who you might have thought would have had a different view on liberties. His response apparently took into account just who should have liberties, and his conclusion was: not everyone.

His response, following the logic of some gun liberty advocates on this thread, could have been to tell everyone to arm themselves in self-defense. This would have fueled an "arm race" in which various factions made sure that they could counter the perceived threat of other factions with enough fire power to be a deterrent.

It is obvious (and it is obvious) that this is not a tenable position to take. The increase in arms leads to the use of arms in these situations, as it has in the inner city where arms are available and used. The better position is disarmament, which is what Gov. Regan essentially signed into law as an inducement to avoid an unnecessary diversion of law enforcement into a position of having to arm themselves in protection against all factions.

Right now the law enforcement organizations are spending money countering the proliferation of weapons that threaten the law enforcers, these are funds that do not go into other, perhaps more effective, means of law enforcement which do not require the use of lethal force, nor the confrontations involving lethal force.

I don't advocate for the current situation in which the inner city is left to govern itself by the use of easily available lethal force. The ease at which weapons are acquired, and the difficulties in enforcing the existing laws, should not be allowed to continue.

Tracking the evidentiary pathways of gun acquisition, e.g. by use of taggants in ammunition and weapon identification have been vociferously opposed by gun advocates as a potential infringement on their rights.

But let's remember that acts of rebellion are by nature illegal, certainly extra-legal, as they represent the act of a group against the prevailing government, which is installed, at least in this country, by the legal processes outlined in the Constitution. While acts of rebellion may eventually be seen as necessary, they cannot be viewed as legal.

One cannot read the 2nd Amendment as a license to engage in illegal activities, as rebellion would be.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
1997) MS School Principal Captures Mass Murderer With His .45
2011 DECEMBER 29
state: MS




This story is a little different than the normal self defense stories we publish here. This one is over 14 years old. However, I feel that it’s important that we not lose track of the older stories that often times provide prime examples of what guns in the hands of law abiding citizens are capable of. I know many people that have followed the gun rights community for any amount of time may have seen this story, but I encourage you to share it now, in the age of social media so that more may understand.

This story focuses on the Pearl High School Shooting of 1997, possibly one of the earliest mass murders committed by a student at a school in the US.


Sixteen year old Luke Woodham was distraught due to the fact that his girlfriend of the time had broken up with him, so he started by beating and stabbing his mother to death at their home. Woodham then took a lever action .30-30 hunting rifle with him to his school, Pearl High. He made no attempt to hide or conceal the rifle. He entered the school and began shooting students. Two people were killed and seven others wounded. The first person killed was Woodham’s ex-girlfriend. After she was shot Woodham began shooting indiscriminately at anyone in the area.

Woodham knew that the police would soon be on their way, but he had no plans to allow himself to be captured or kill himself (as is popular with many mass murderers). Woodham had planned to drive to nearby Pearl Junior High School and continue his shooting spree while police were occupied with the confusion at Pearl High.

Woodham successfully made his way to his car well before police arrived. However, Woodham would never make it to Pearl Junior High.

Assistant Princiapl Joel Myrick heard the shooting when it began and immediately went into action. After getting several students to safety and figuring out what was going on Myrick knew what he had to do. Myrick had a Colt .45 handgun in his truck. Due to gun laws Myrick was not allowed to carry his gun on his person. Myrick ran to his vehicle, retrieved the gun, loaded it, and headed back to the school.

Woodham was already in the parking lot, getting into his car. Myrick confronted Woodham in the parking lot, held his gun to the boy’s head and managed to subdue Woodham until police arrived.

There is simply no telling how many lives were saved by this educator who took steps to make sure that he was prepared for any situation and to use a weapon when it was necessary to save the lives of others.

Source Articles:
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
Next month, the 77th Session of the Nevada Legislature will convene, and Sandy Hook will still be fresh on the minds of many. The Las Vegas Review Journal interviewed several local and state leaders (me included) concerning the Sandy Hook shooting, and the 2011 Carson City IHOP Shooting became a focus of the story as well. Interestingly, there was no mention concerning the IHOP incident regarding the uniformed National Guard members who were meeting for breakfast the morning that Eduardo Sencion went on his shooting-spree, three who died at the hands of this lunatic and two who were injured. On the day when Sencion went balistic, Nevada National Guard spokeswoman April Conway told reporters "Our guards would have no reason to be carrying military weapons here today."


These decorated soldiers were trained to defend our country. Had these soldiers been able to defend themselves, the outcome would most likely have been different. Carson City Sheriff Ken Furlong said it best when he explained to the reporter, "When we're talking about mass casualties, it's over by the time we get there."

As the story goes, one person asked the other person "why do you carry that revolver in your pocket?" The other person answered, "because a cop is too heavy."
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:36pm PT
Whatever, I bought it for just under $650 with tax and everything. I'd say $850 (plus 2 tamales) is pretty good for "losing" something. Besides, "those people" are really nice.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:38pm PT
Ron, you have 'questions' because you want desperately to believe it was a conspiracy to take your guns.

You've already asked some stupid questions an ex-LEO should have known the answer, like why was another adult handcuffed at a chaotic event.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:40pm PT
Yeah, the motto may be to protect and serve, but the truth is that they can't be everywhere and a cop's traditional role is to deal with the mess.
dave729

Sport climber
Placer
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:49pm PT
Taggants! a crazy idea from the past discredited but comes up now and then. The well meaning gun control busy bodies cannot wrap their minds around the concept that criminals do not obey laws. No matter how many they pass.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Jan 2, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
From TGT's post:
This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar.

WTF. Since when are serfs free? Nobody was "free" under the czar. The first of many inane statements.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

The Germans didn't seem to have much trouble holding Russian lands after the Brest-Litvosk treaty, according to the histories I've read. Is there information to the contrary?

If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Is that why we sent the American Expeditionary Force North Russia to fight the Red Army? Because we supported them?

There is a lot of desire to bad mouth the Tsar, particularly by the Communists, who claim he was a tyrant, and yet under him we were armed and under the progressives disarmed.

This guy sounds like some monarchist apologist. Guess what, TGT, we kicked out the conservatives beloved George III a long time ago. That's mot gonna fly here.







TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
I said it was an,

Interesting perspective from an unlikely source.


How "progressive" of you to try to put words in someone else's mouth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:15pm PT
Mono,,Ive TRIED to find a better motive for this latest tragedy. While it certainly could be that the shooter was simply pizzed about his mother wanting to commit him, The fact that SHE is also dead leaves much to question.


The rifle was found in the trunk so we were told for a day or two, then it wasnt. Weve NEVER seen or heard from any other arrested at the site. NOT even locally.

And if any of you have listened to the scanner coverage - it indicates far more than any news footage or stories have mentioned. I suppose that is what really makes me go huh?

TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
Indian women want equalizers.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Delhi-women-gun-for-licences-rape-triggers-big-rush-to-acquire-arms/articleshow/17836320.cms
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:28pm PT
That's cuz no one else was arrested. Detained briefly, yes. Happens all the time at these events. Same happened at VA Tech. I sure wouldn't want to be in the media if I was detained either.

She was not planning on committing him. She was devoted to him and wanted to follow him to college or wherever to help him succeed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:36pm PT
That is not what ive heard..Last night on the radio even they were talking about attempts by the mother to have legal conservancy on him and to have him committed...?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
The reliable sources have backed away from that claim. Now we are left with the blogosphere echoing and enhancing falsehoods back and forth.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
ahh so just more QUESTIONS then?

Motive?


couchmaster

climber
pdx
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:42pm PT
Ed suggested:
"One cannot read the 2nd Amendment as a license to engage in illegal activities, as rebellion would be."

I disagree Ed, that's exactly what the 2nd amendment is. If you look at the Black Panthers manifesto, they achieved a lot of their goals.

or as Jefferson would say:
"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.

THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to James Madison, Jan. 30, 1787"







full quote from Monticello site:
"Societies exist under three forms sufficiently distinguishable. 1. Without government, as among our Indians. 2. Under governments wherein the will of every one has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree, and in our states in a great one. 3. Under governments of force: as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics. To have an idea of the curse of existence under these last, they must be seen. It is a government of wolves over sheep. It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the 1st. condition is not the best. But I believe it to be inconsistent with any great degree of population. The second state has a great deal of good in it. The mass of mankind under that enjoys a precious degree of liberty and happiness. It has it’s evils too: the principal of which is the turbulence to which it is subject. But weigh this against the oppressions of monarchy, and it becomes nothing. Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem. Even this evil is productive of good. It prevents the degeneracy of government, and nourishes a general attention to the public affairs. I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.[1] Unsuccesful rebellions indeed generally establish the incroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors so mild in their punishment of rebellions, as not to discourage them too much. It is a medecine necessary for the sound health of government." - Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787[2]
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Face it mono, regardless of what you have heard, what credible witnesses have said, or any other facts that come to light, nothing counts as much as Ron's opinion. That's how LEOs work... if they end up being wrong, they just fix it in the report.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Plenty of motive, Ron. He was psycho. Maybe on prescription drugs. Finally snapped. The mother was away for three days, then he shot her when she came back. Plenty of time to get at secured weapons, and stew alone over something.
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