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Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
That was a GREAT video!

It's a silly video choreographed to make the "trainees" fail.

When trained the trainees were wearing neither helmets nor gloves.

Just before the "assailants" entered the room the trainees were instructed to don helmets which prevented them from seeing their firearms, and gloves which prevented from feeling their firearms.

They were required to wear a long shirt which covered and clung to their firearms.

The assailants focused their fire on the trainees to the exclusion of everyone else in the room.

I'm not underestimating or understating the difficulty of returning accurate and effective fire in a real life scenario, just pointing out that this is a foolish film and the trainees were manipulated to ensure failure.

michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
It was also a joke in that video, that immediately after the "teacher" was killed, the gunmen aimed directly at the "CCW" holder. Not at any of the students running directly by him. Kind of a bunk report.

Put that CCW somewhere where the shooter doesn't know, and don't put a beginner in there, and the odds will change drastically.

F*cking bullsh*t one sided report.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:02pm PT
blahblahblah... and the "shooter" was moving pretty slowly... totally unrealistic... IRL any CCW permittee totally would have saved the day. Remember the CCW permittee that was there when Gabby was shot? Yeah, he did nothing... except almost shoot the guy who wrestled the gun away from the dickhole.

We definitely need more guns in schools and other public places.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:05pm PT
Or that teacher can lock the door like any other college. Preventing any students from coming in after the class begins.


LOLLIBERALTW#TS.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Then the shooter will just wait for class change, or go in at beginning of class. Or outdoor PE class, cafeteria, lecture halls, etc,.......

Such worthless suggestions from gun nuts.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:17pm PT
And being defenseless is a much better situation to be in.

You may not understand our thinking.

We definitely don't understand yours.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:25pm PT
You are correct, I don't understand how you live your life in fear of others with guns, yet insist on having unfettered access to them. Or how you can justify having fewer regulations to own a tool designed to kill than to own a car. Or how you can continue to insist that gun regulations will not help the situation, when most (all?) of the guns used in recent mass shootings were acquired legally and stored irresponsibly... and NOT bought off the streets by criminals.

And you will never understand that NOBODY I know has ever had to pull a gun, except my brother-in-law who is a cop... who also believes gun laws are absurdly lax and getting a CCW after taking a 2 hour class is FUKING RETARDED.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:31pm PT
I remember that video from a few years ago. So they pointed out that if a guy comes into a room shooting and you're sitting right in front of him wearing gloves with your concealed firearm secured under a baggy shirt that you're likely to be shot.

Yup. Pretty much. Does that surprise anyone? It's suppose to hammer home that "regular people" are hopeless. Rest assured that the police will be there in 15 minutes to put pieces of your skull in a bag. Typical MSM bullsh#t.

All a concealed pistol offers a trained individual is a chance in the right situation. It doesn't mean all situations will be right.

Hence the enormous amount of ongoing training I try to stress is important to be effective 'if' you choose to draw your weapon. What you wear, how you holster your weapon, and where you sit in a public place are all choices you make. You'll be functioning at 30% capacity or less under REAL stress so those choices and that training in some friendly competition are key.

It gives sheep a small chance to kill wolves. I'll take that over no chance anyday. But as we can see here, not all sheep make that choice. They have their own reasons. And that's just fine. Really.

Never had to kill a wolf myself. Hope I never run into one. I hope that if I did I'd be able to make a difference. I hope I wouldn't run away if I had a clear target and background, but was just scared shitless. I don't really know.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
They all had gloves. And you can't see the gun when they are sitting. Only when they stand and try to get it. And they knew they would be tested that day, just not that soon.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
You are correct, I don't understand how you live your life in fear of others with guns, yet insist on having unfettered access to them.



So if someone breaks into my house with a knife or baseball bat, i'm not scared? Should I bring out my Louisville Slugger too?




Or how you can justify having fewer regulations to own a tool designed to kill than to own a car.


There needs to be stronger regulations. I've never once stated, that there should be fewer. IN FACT, I have stated that there should be stricter laws, but HIPPA restricts information to the DMV, so people with mental health problems can register a gun.



Or how you can continue to insist that gun regulation will not help the situation, when most (all?) of the guns used in recent mass shootings were acquired legally and stored irresponsibly... and NOT bought off the streets by criminals.

Adam (Newtown) shot his mother 4 times in the face because she failed to properly secure her legally owner firearms from her mentally unstable child.

James (Aurora) begged and begged for mental help. Was institutionalized, and was a high threat to others, but nobody would help him. (Revert back to HIPPA)


And you will never understand that NOBODY I know has ever had to pull a gun, except my brother-in-law who is a cop... who also believes gun laws are absurdly easy and getting a CCW after taking a 2 hour class is FUKING RETARDED.


Well, in CA it's a 16 hour class, but it's still pretty easy.
Most cops, don't like others having guns, or authority.
Most cops can't automatically appear in a class room where a gunman is plugging 6 year olds with .223.

You're very lucky to know so many few people who've not had to pull guns.

Preparedness is useless after tragedy.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:34pm PT
Did you know.....

A 1997 high school shooting in Pearl, Miss., was halted by the school's vice principal after he retrieved the Colt .45 he kept in his truck.
A 1998 middle school shooting ended when a man living next door heard gunfire and apprehended the shooter with his shotgun.
A 2002 terrorist attack at an Israeli school was quickly stopped by an armed teacher and a school guard.
A 2002 law school shooting in Grundy, Va., came to an abrupt conclusion when students carrying firearms confronted the shooter.
A 2007 mall shooting in Ogden, Utah, ended when an armed off-duty police officer intervened.
A 2009 workplace shooting in Houston, Texas, was halted by two coworkers who carried concealed handguns.
A 2012 church shooting in Aurora, Colo., was stopped by a member of the congregation carrying a gun.
At the recent mall shooting in Portland, Ore., the gunman took his own life minutes after being confronted by a shopper carrying a concealed weapon.
2500 times last year alone legal gun owners stopped violent crime when confronted with it long before any police assistance ...
Of course, you probably didn't know any of this because mainstream media doesn't find it worth reporting. It's not sensational enough and doesn't fit with their agenda. What's insane is people who think removing rights from responsible people will somehow keep them safe.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:35pm PT
Hence the enormous amount of ongoing training I try to stress...

Try to stress it all you want. Fact remains a dipshit like me can get a CCW after taking a 2 hour class. No renewals, no mental evaluations, no insurance, no requirements on how I store them. THAT JUST AIN'T RIGHT.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
So blame guns?


Not the system?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:40pm PT
Yep, Cragmen, all showing that one may be able to end a mass shooting, after multiple people are dead and wounded. Awesome. And no assault weapons needed.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
jesus christ.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:41pm PT
Get off the "blame inanimate objects" crap. Nobody has ever tried to pin a murder on an inanimate object. That is absurd.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:42pm PT
If guns don't kill people, then guns don't make you safe.

For those who want trite one-liners.
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:44pm PT
you're clearly a f*cking idiot.


michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Let's ban all guns. Law abiding citizens turn them in. Even ones who vowed they never would. Now there are no registered hand guns in America.

K now what?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Jan 3, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Can't have it both ways. If gun's don't kill people, only people kill people, then guns don't save people either, people save themselves.

See how stupid the 'guns don't kill people' saying is?

I didn't think so.

People use guns to kill and defend.
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