Does the NRA have a stupid pill problem?


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Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
I think what we must face is the fact that the world in which we live is growing more and more evil by the day.

After 9-1, we have had to grow accustomed to the TSA in our airports. Perhaps this evil of shooters killing our kids is yet one more thing we have to combat, just like those terrorists.

The world is failing, and we have to find a way to fight that.

Boulder climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:48pm PT
Would anyone here, who have children, be ok with Ron Anderson, or cragman being armed at your kids school?


Trad climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
We have to start the dialog on limiting 1st Amendment rights. The media has for too long been allowed to fill the minds of potential mass killers with unrestrained images of violence and mayhem. They are also allowed to make instant celebrities of of these killers for naked profit.

soo, take away the pens and let 'em have their swords...

that'll work...

Social climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
Everyone here is looking at a picture, some say it's clearly white and others say its as black as deep space.

Unfortunately it's grey, all grey through and through and a hundred variations, too.

Armed guards are a good idea some places, some times. Some guns are awesome and we should have some of them in society. Some regulation is needed, and some people will gun down schools.

We keep trying to paint with a broader brush, when we are uniquely f*#ked.

As long as guns exist there will be people that will do this. Now we're back to playing that old game of trading freedoms for safety. I f*#king hate it. I don't own guns but lots of friends do... They wouldn't want me to lose climbing, and guns are their passion.

Around and around we go, circling our children's graves with our picket signs and dogma.

The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
We guard our banks...why not our most precious resource?

I've yet to see an armed guard in a bank in the US.

Maybe you're living in the wrong place?

Sport climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
LOL, don't go to a public school in California.

F*cking libtard.
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
How about we designate one day a year as "National Shoot Somebody Day"?

Just have a 24 hour free-for-all where all of the gun nuts, crazies, mother rapers, daddy haters and doomsday preppers can blast away with unfettered glee.

A win-win on a lot of levels - population reduction, economic upsurge for Walmarts, release of pent up tensions, fodder for any number of reality shows on TLC.

I would set the tag limit at one person apiece just so we show we are still civilized.


The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
I get the feeling that Dean wants to see anyone he perceives as a threat gone. Poof. Magic god stuff. Gone.

Edit; I could be wrong. I've never met the guy, and I do respect him. We just have vastly different opinions on this issue.
sandstone conglomerate

sharon conglomerate central
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:18pm PT
donald, how did you get your border collie to wear that hat? Mine won't stand for that sh#t...

Mountain climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
In case it hasn't been mentioned, Columbine had a security officer.
Got anymore half-assed, dodging the issue completely suggestions?

I also can't recall seeing an armed guard since I lived in Chicago and banked at the main Harris Bank branch in the south Loop which did indeed have an armed guard on the premisses. That was 12 years and probably a hundred banks ago.

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:22pm PT

Extremely weak points , but sounding strong because of the insults.


Thompson, that is hypocritical

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:25pm PT
We guard our banks

Haven't seen any guards at my bank.(Chase)

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
Not at all. From the viewpoint of who their masters are (gun manufacturers) anything that sells more guns is brilliant.

Trad climber
Mt. Rubidoux
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:44pm PT
1st Amemdment rights? Don't you mean the 2nd Amendment? Use your power as a citizen and vote for congressman and senators that support restrictions on assault rifles and semiautomatic handguns. It's not the NRA that requlates gun sales and legislation regarding's congress. Vote for legislators that AREN'T pro gun. CONGRESS HAS A STUPID PILL PROBLEM!!!!! THEY'RE ADDICTED.

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
Gunnuts revealing themselves to be: Gun Nuts.

The Granite State.
Dec 21, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
Hell, I don't even get asked for ID at my banks.

Maybe some of you should move out of Tweakerville, CA, and discover the beautiful mountains of........wait, sh#t, keep them away.........Vermont!

Good climbing, the ocean is near, there ARE bugs, but they aren't as bad as they're made out to be.

Ah, Vermont.


Trad climber
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
The N.R.A. Crawls From Its Hidey Hole

Wayne LaPierre, the spokesman for the National Rifle Association, would have been better advised to remain wherever he had been hiding after the Newtown massacre, rather than appear at the news conference on Friday. No one seriously believed the N.R.A. when it said it would contribute something “meaningful” to the discussion about gun violence. The organization’s very existence is predicated on the nation being torn in half over guns. Still, we were stunned by Mr. LaPierre’s mendacious, delusional, almost deranged rant.

Mr. LaPierre looked wild-eyed at times as he said the killing was the fault of the media, songwriters and singers and the people who listen to them, movie and TV scriptwriters and the people who watch their work, advocates of gun control, video game makers and video game players.

The N.R.A., which devotes itself to destroying any hope of compromise on guns, however, is blameless. So are the unscrupulous and unlicensed dealers who sell guns to criminals, and the gun makers who bankroll Mr. LaPierre so he can help them keep peddling their ever-more-lethal, ever-more-efficient products, and politicians who kill laws that would exert even modest controls over guns.

He offered nothing more than the most ridiculous anti-gun-control rhetoric we’ve heard since the Newtown murders. His solution to the proliferation of guns, including semiautomatic rifles that have little purpose beyond killing people as quickly as possible, is to put more guns in more places. Mr. LaPierre would put a police officer in every school and compel teachers and principals to become armed guards, because his group won’t do anything about the ease with which anyone can get a gun.

He wants volunteer and professional firefighters, who already risk their lives every day, to be charged with thwarting an assault by a deranged murderer. The same applies to paramedics, security guards, veterans, retired police officers. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” Mr. LaPierre said. (It is interesting that such a literal reader of the Second Amendment would have missed the fact that Congress has no power over local police forces and schools. Talk about Big Brother government.)

We cannot imagine trying to turn the principals and teachers who care for our children every day into an armed mob. And let’s be clear, civilians bristling with guns to prevent the “next Newtown” are an armed mob even with training offered up by Mr. LaPierre. Any town officials or school principal who takes up the N.R.A. on that offer should be fired.

Mr. LaPierre said the Newtown killing spree “might” have been averted if the killer had been confronted by an armed security guard. It’s far more likely that there would have been a dead armed security guard — just as there would have been even more carnage if civilians had started firing weapons in the Aurora movie theater.

In the 62 mass-murder cases over 30 years examined recently by the magazine Mother Jones, not one was stopped by an armed civilian. There are two cases in which armed civilians confronted a shooter. Both were immediately shot. One died.

We have known for many, many years that a sheriff’s deputy was at Columbine High School in 1999 and traded shots with Eric Harris while 11 of the 13 people he and Dylan Klebold killed were still alive. He missed four times.

People like Mr. LaPierre want us to believe that civilians can be trained to use lethal force with cold precision in moments of fear and crisis. That requires a willful ignorance about the facts. Police officers know that firing a weapon is a huge risk; that’s why they avoid doing it. In August, New York City police officers opened fire on a gunman outside the Empire State Building. They killed him and wounded nine bystanders.

Mr. LaPierre said the news media give mass killers the attention they seek. He said the news media call the semiautomatic weapon used in Newtown a machine gun, claim that it’s a military weapon and that it fires the most powerful ammunition available. That’s not true. What is true is that there is a growing call in America for stricter gun control.

NYT editorial was harsh but nailed it. I find it extra hilarious that the "a gun doesn't make someone homicidal" lobby have decided that killing people in computer games DOES make people homicidal. If that was true then I'd have killed a few school's worth of kids by now.

Lake Tahoe
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:08pm PT
To be honest, I am all for the right to bear arms and all that stuff that the NRA supposedly supports. But the actions of that group and the few vocal gun nuts is quite disturbing. I suppose that they reject gun registration databases, and all that, because when the sh#t hits the fan and they become the rebels trying to stop some sort of out of oppresive government, they want it to be hard for that government to find and exterminate them.

That type of thinking is just not rational. Zombies and political unrest both happen very slowly and there will be plenty of time to run and hide from either.

The NRA are a lot like the politicians at the moment. They are unwilling to compromise for their own good. They are so wrapped up in their own principals that they can't see how it is working against them. And they need to hire better public speakers or get some decent speech writers.



Social climber
Brooklyn, NY
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
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Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 21, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Concerning the pill needed.
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