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jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
Uh Oh

Looks like it's time to start talking about losing your keys again

Crimpie, Rong needs you, the adults are being mean to him


"MOMMY!!!!!"


Hahahahahaha
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
Wow, can't argue with that! Maybe supertopo should put a minimum age limit on members.. (maturity limit?)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:06pm PT
Ron can handle himself. I am quite purposely no one's mommy!

Besides, I ain't tangling with a gun nutter. :) Haha!
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
"Ron can handle himself. I am quite purposely no one's mommy!"

Someone needs to let him know that

Men don't need either guns or mothers to help defend themselves.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
I'm sure every soldier (or person confronted with an armed assailant) would love to hear you tell them that!
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
"I'm sure every soldier (or person confronted with an armed assailant) would love to hear you tell them that!"

But we aren't soldiers, though, are we?

And your chances of being confronted by an armed assailant are infinitely greater because you support arming them in the first place, obviously.

Again, just because you're too lazy to think things through doesn't mean they can't be. Try Harder.

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
And your chances of being confronted by an armed assailant are infinitely greater because you support arming them in the first place, obviously.


Do you think that the Canadian gun laws which I support support your statement? C'mon, try to think about it...



What about the quarter million girls kidnapped and put into sex trafficking in the US last year? They weren't soldiers. But every single one of them wishes they had some sort of defense, even if it was the probability that they would have had a way to defend themselves. Remember, you are dealing with current reality right now -you aren't building a dreamland from scratch and implementing the rules from the beginning.
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
"Do you think that the Canadian laws which I support support your statement? "

i have no idea - wasn't aware we were talking about anything other than the US Constitution

Do they?


"What about the quarter million girls kidnapped and put into sex trafficking in the US last year? They weren't soldiers. But every single one of them wishes they had some sort of defense, even if it was the probability that they would have had a way to defend themselves."


WHAT???

THE HELL???

We should start arming kids so they won't get kidnapped now???

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
I'm talking about your situation in the year 2012 in the US. The situation I live in now is different than when I lived in the US, and our society functions better than yours in terms of gun violence. But adopting our laws isn't the same as adopting our way of life. You can't adopt our way of life by way of law. There are effective ways to change your society.



"WHat the HELL!??! Yeah, pretty crazy the stuff going on that nobody talks about eh?


jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
You've lost me.

tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:37pm PT
I'm saying you have big problems. A law here or there isn't going to fix it. Taking guns away will cause more people to be victims in all aspects of society. Arming everyone is another step that will solve some problems and cause a lot of other problems just like limiting them will. You have to look at options that have worked for change in your society besides a pro-or con law , a liberal or conservative side, a repub or democrat choice.


If you are lost, if this is too hard to grasp, and you represent 47% of your society, I'm so sorry!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
You have to look at options that have worked for change in your society besides a pro-or con law , a liberal or conservative side, a repub or democrat choice.

ok tooth, I am interested in hearing your well considered thoughts and suggestions.....
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:43pm PT
"A law here or there isn't going to fix it. Taking guns away will cause more people to be victims in all aspects of society."

Can you cite an example where that has actually happened?

Because I can cite 2 where the opposite occurred.
tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Norton, I've put examples of the types of change that I have seen work in your society in this thread already.

Should I re-post?



Or do you want me to do the thinking and apply these types of changes to this situation and then have guys dismiss it all and not even think for themselves because they are able to argue with one aspect of what I type?



I'd rather get both the republicans and democrats and that one other liberal thinking about something constructive rather than acting like schoolchildren (jghedge)





But if it is more fun to pick sides and throw tomatoes at each other and resist working together as a society to make change, have at it. That seems to be working well for your government and the fiscal cliff eh?





EDIT: jghedge's previous post is a good example of this.



JG, I just got finished saying that arming or disarming has good and bad effects. Just because you can find 2 good examples doesn't mean that there aren't 2 bad ones. There are both. A million examples of both. Every year and in every state. Grow up man!
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 07:54pm PT
"Just because you can find 2 good examples doesn't mean that there aren't 2 bad ones. There are both. A million examples of both."


And what would the bad ones be?

Your argument rises or falls on the strength of the proof you provide for it


"Taking guns away will cause more people to be victims in all aspects of society."


And as proof of that, you cite...?



Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
Norton, I've put examples of the types of change that I have seen work in your society in this thread already.

Should I re-post?


please, and as specifically as you can

I am looking forward to learning exactly how we Americans can mitigate our mass murders, which IS the topic......thanks

and especially coming from a Canadian so knowledgeable about our "ways"
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:01pm PT
Penn and Teller give a good representation of most of our views. 3 part harmony. Hedge, at @8:04 in the first part your question is answered.






tooth

Trad climber
B.C.
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:02pm PT
My argument is apparently lost on you - you are arguing pro/con gun control.


I'm presenting the idea that your society in it's current state has ways to change over the next generation that are better than the either side of the argument that you can't seem to get over. Maybe you can get your accountant to help you out!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
Sheesh!
Just back from the Firebase and there's 170+ new posts! Too much to read.
Y'all must've figured something out by now, right?


Sad scene in front of the Moapa Indian fireworks and fire water store, a memorial shrine for the young indian that was shot dead there by tribal police days ago.
He was drunk. There was an escalating scene of confrontation. He came up with handgun and got off 2 shots.

Two months ago was worse. Another indian, a popular spirit dancer named Corey Kanosh was shot dead by a deputy. This one is under review.
He was unarmed!

But we should go ahead and ALWAYS trust that the cops will do the right thing (and also be there to protect us).




Got the drum to work flawlessly in the Suomi. Bump fired 72 rounds in about 20 second in a pretty tight cluster.
Momma said, "Don't you buy no ugly gun!" But she shoots purty.

Not so lucky with the Thompson which literally fell apart after 12 shots (good thing its under warranty).
Oh yeah, "all a person needs is one gun".

Right.


So whadjoo guys decide?



oops posted wrong thread
jghedge

climber
Dec 29, 2012 - 08:03pm PT
"I'm presenting the idea that your society in it's current state has ways to change over the next generation that are better than the either side of the argument that you can't seem to get over"

OK - how?
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