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TwistedCrank
climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 21, 2012 - 01:01pm PT
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Just askin.
Yeah, I want my kids going to school where they got armed guards marching patrol around the perimeter. You might as well send them to prison.
Stupid fukks, the NRA.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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Indeed....
I find it strange that neither side the the "gun issue" is willing to look into direct causation of psychotropic meds in these cases.
All just have a vague "mental health" mention. Whatever the Hell that means.
None of these recent killers were insane raging psychotics before.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
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We all need to sit down and have a discussion of the role of the press in our society. Does it keep us safer? Or does it encourage more attacks putting more children in danger?
It is time to forget the politics of a free-press and instead think of the larger questions like the safety of our children.
We’re not talking about taking away the BullStreamMedia First Amendment rights; we’re only talking about cutting the carnage brought about by Assault Journalism.
Does the BSM really need high-capacity magazines?
Does the BSM really need 5 minute clips?
The 1st amendment guarantees the freedom of the press but that isn’t an unlimited right by any means. The 1st amendment was written back in a time of printed media that traveled at the speed of a horse.
There is no way the founding fathers could have known how media technology would evolve.
These days the BSM can operate at the speed of light, with video cameras shooting at least 30 frames a second. They could not have envisioned high-capacity magazines that can shoot out reams of lies before they need to be reloaded with the next issue.
They could not have envisioned the private sale of Media outside the control of the government, private Media that could easily set off the next lunatic on a spree of carnage.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
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Don't know about the NRA but I am positive the NBA has an unlimited supply.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
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I find it strange that neither side the the "gun issue" is willing to look into direct causation of psychotropic meds in these cases.
That's because there is no cause and effect. You've got your cause & effect mixed up. It's the underlying mental illness that is the cause, not the drugs used to treat people who are mentally ill.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:26pm PT
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Shiver.....with NRA pronouncements I feel the breath of evil incarnate.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
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Building a bomb isn't a knee jerk reaction. It would take some effort and time.
Grabbing a gun and going postal is the definition of knee jerk reaction.
How about regulating more strongly, or banning, large capacity clips for semi auto weapons?
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jstan
climber
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
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We all need to sit down and have a discussion of the role of the press in our society. Does it keep us safer?
Definitely. And yes they are keeping us safer. If the press were not there we would probably be quicker to sweep this all under the rug and to do nothing. I know this gives a problem to those who believe a closet full of bushmasters will allow them to overthrow the government or beat back a party of Seals attacking their home. But let's face it. When you balance doing nothing to prevent the slaughter of six year olds in their school, versus the pleasure of having a deluded belief
the choice is pretty simple.
And yes we hope very fervently this will not stop with outlawing civil purchase of additional combat weapons and outlawing civil ownership of large magazines.
The weapons are not even the major question that will come up. Not even. We will have to consider the tradeoffs involved in the Federal government monitoring internet searches, all internet searches, to try and discover who might be getting the information they need to prepare for a slaughter.
That will be a real question. I wish I could say I thought a complete ban on any possession of combat weapons would relieve us of the need for such monitoring. But I doubt it.
If anyone wants to become an insurgent Iraq has shown them how to do it. Suicide bombs and IED's. Combat weapons are not even the way.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 21, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
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What stops a bad guy from having a gun is the correct question at this point.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
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Low information voter....let's see, that might be someone who believes in creationism and doesn't think that human caused global warming is factual. Now what party do you think such a person would vote for?
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
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"A totalitarian state run by the all- knowing, all- seeing , and ever -compassionate liberal intellectual elite empowered by the government -dependent masses."
Hahahahahaha... Its posts like this that are the strongest argument for controlling assault weapons.
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Roadie
Trad climber
Bishop, Ca
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
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While the NRA does not weigh in on non-gun issues it seems like many of its members are also staunch Tea-party supporters. I wonder who the NRA thinks is going to end up paying for all those armed, and hopefully trained, school guards.
Maybe the NRA could pick up the tab.
Just a thought.
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
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A totalitarian state run by the all- knowing, all- seeing , and ever -compassionate liberal intellectual elite empowered by the government -dependent masses.
They will fix everything.
The correct question here is how is someone as stupid as you to be prevented from owning a gun or even appearing in public. Time for you to crawl back into your survivalist cave.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
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Don't know about the NRA but I am positive the NBA has an unlimited supply.
Excellent, although I think the NRA's proposal is right up there, too.
Jstan, I wish I could be more sanguine on the role of the media in all this. Unfortunately, the role of the media has not changed since the inception of our Republic -- it is to sell its product. Whether it's Hearst ginning up hysteria over the Maine or the modern press making you think the murder rate is spiraling upward (rather than the truth, viz. downward), they're just trying to create enough of a sensation to get us to buy their wares.
Sad to say, the vast majority of the American public has no taste for facts, so no one reports mere facts except for a very few outlets. There's clearly a market for objective news; otherwise the Wall Street Journal would be out of business, given its rather high price with no free access. Unfortunately, that market is apparently pretty small. The New York Times might still be doing OK, but most other news organizations that report with any depth are in deep financial trouble.
If we could change that, we'd be on to something. Since I don't see that changing, we need to work with what we have. The media's going orgasmic over the possibility of using this latest tragedy to make illegal use of firearms more illegal was not one of the media's finer hours.
John
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
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"Controlling assault weapons won't stop those events from happening"
I agree, but it makes sense to try to keep guns out of delusional idiots hands. And so I support any regulation that make it more difficult/impossible to obtain those weapons.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
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So, is this a 'diss the tea party' thread?
If so, I'm all in. F*#k 'em.
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:35pm PT
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Perhaps we should consider arming the School custodial staff, lunch room employees, and crossing guards as well. That will solve the problem.
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
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"That is not what is being proposed by the gun-hating Left. They are proposing that these
bans affect everyone . They won't stop until all weapons owned by ordinary citizens are prohibited.
They are exploiting this tragedy to bring that outcome about."
Thats just not true. Assault weapon bans should affect everyone, but noone is advocating taking your hunting rifles and shotguns, or handguns.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 21, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
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trained to do whatever it takes to stop them.
Like force them to commit suicide? That seems to be the common result of these brutal massacres. Why would death dissuade someone who wants to die?
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