Tahoe Lobsters -- would you buy them?

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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 20, 2012 - 09:14am PT

This new "commercial" Tahoe crawdad thing has me itchin.. Itchin for a new business.

I LOVE crustaceans, as they are TASTY!
Thus far the sales of these freshwater delights have been restricted to restaurants, but what about Individual purchases??

They ship main lobsters all over so why not Tahoe Lobsters??

So folks,, would YOU all buy packages of freshly caught Tahoe crawdaddios- if they were available?





Credit: Ron Anderson
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:15am PT
So folks,, would YOU all buy packages of freshly caught Tahoe crawdaddios- if they were available?

Nope, I'd rather spend the day on the beach catching my own with the poor Mexicans. But I'm sure you could probably sell a dozen or two to the few rich folks who forgot to bring their real lobster with them from SF.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:30am PT
It would depend strictly on taste and price and I'm glad I'm not Joosh.

Here's what happened the last time lobsters tried to invade the highlands, though. The Battle of El Camino Real del Cullodeno.
Credit: GI
I think the battle site's a few miles north of I-80 by Del Paso Manor, NoSac.
bergbryce

Mountain climber
California
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:31am PT
Are you talking about selling lobster or crawdads?
Tahoe has crawdads, lobster, not so much.

The crawdads of Tahoe are easy to catch, you only need a pot and a can of cat food.
Processing the little mud bugs is the problem. Mucho intensive and for little actual product.
I've had some gumbo made with Tahoe crawdad and it's tasty, but I personally probably wouldn't buy it, but I bet there are a lot of people who would.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:34am PT
Yes, we should allow that. They are an invasive species and are affecting native species and habitat.

Mucho intensive and for little actual product.

But the head butter is worth it, no?
Wayno

Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:38am PT
Tahoe isn't the only lake in the Sierra with mudbugs. And they are not muddy at all. I can remember filling a 5 gallon bucket with some at Mammoth Pool a few years back. They were large and clean and delicious. It made up for the big trout I didn't catch. All you need is a lantern and a leader with a bare hook tied onto a stick if you don't have a fishing pole. Put a piece of bacon on the hook and put the light at the edge of the water. When the crawdads come up to the light, put the bacon in front of them and when they grab it , slowly pull it out of the water and into a bucket. Two of us filled a bucket in a little over an hour.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2012 - 09:42am PT
Jeeez Dingus,, why should there be RED LOBSTER restaurants every where?

We have commercial black fish guys at lahaton too..tahoe is loaded with these tasty morsels that arent "native" to Tahoe.

They recently went after the Bass sunfish and catfish in the keys as well- even though NOTHING has been proven about those fish adding to the falling clarity of the lake.

But since they now have opened the crawdad fishing to include commercial outfits, why shouldnt everyone have them available to them!
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:51am PT
Dude, the problem with invasives is that they often dine on the native fry. Why you have to put "quotes" around native... as if it is some kind of arbitrary designation? It ain't. It is well know what is native and what isn't... and how the invasive species are fuking the native species... and how a loss of native species diversity will ultimately fuk the entire food web... leading to a loss in lake clarity.

T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:51am PT
Ron you probably don't want to hear this, but my wife is a Maine native.
Everytime we go back to visit her family they throw down a huge lobster
feast that includes steamer clams and local corn and taters.
Her brothers have friends that are lobstermen and get lobster as cheap as
1.99 per lb.
There is always leftover lobster from the feasts so we clean the meat from the remaining ones and make lobster rolls for lunch the next day.
Ever had a lobster roll Ron?
Damn now I need a fix!
Tad
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:57am PT
Estimates of the crawdad population are ~200-300 million. FWIW, in a course I taught this fall we estimated ~175 million based on 3 days of sampling... pretty good considering.

More info: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/08/14/158716311/crayfish-go-on-the-menu-to-restore-lake-tahoes-blue-hue
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:59am PT
Here ya go Ron, first ones free.
Credit: T Hocking
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2012 - 10:00am PT
Tad,, ive been to Main! Ate FRESH LOBS and Corn up and down the coast FOR CHEAP! I was in crustacean heaven!


Dingus,, I guess you WONT be ordering then..?




Wes,,, TELL me all about the "native fry " that dwell in the keys..??

Ive fished there, and not once seen anything other that warm water fry.

Ive fished every other body of water that has those species from New melones to Shasta to the ruby marshes. The only fish i know to have caused clarity problems is CARP subspecies. The Rubies are FULL of largemouth bass and remain quite CLEAR to this day.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:03am PT
Don't be an idiot Ron... the Keys are an entirely artificial habitat. The native fry aren't adapted to those conditions, the invasive species that don't belong in the lake are... and they eat the native fry.


Why did I answer the question you had for Ron? Well, because I know he has his head so far up his taxidermical ass he doesn't know the first thing about ecology. I care about the ecology and like to spread what little I know because I feel it is essential for a happy, healthy life.

It would have been pretty fun to watch him try to explain it... sad, but fun. Sorry if I ruined that for you.


The only fish i know to have caused clarity problems is CARP subspecies. The Rubies are FULL of largemouth bass and remain quite CLEAR to this day

Well then, you have it all worked out. Thank god you are not in charge of anything important and spend all your time stuffing animals.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:03am PT
I have met the invasive species and they are us!

peace

Karl
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2012 - 10:09am PT
Wes,, im waiting for YOU to tell me about TEMPS and PH factors of those keys, then you can relate to me why you would think Kokanee or Mackinaw or Rainbow or Brown trout fry would utilize such waters.

You may also explain to me how those "non-native" fish would interact with any cold water species. Of course knowing that those warm water fish NEVER venture into the actual lake.




wow,, seems like some of you must have NEVER eaten crab, lobster, clams, oysters, muscles , abalone or any of the like, sad that is..
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:13am PT
You are a fuking moron Ron, seriously. Clearly native fish don't lay their eggs there. Clearly native fish don't seek out the warm, stagnant, milfoil choked waters of the keys.

So how could the adult invasive species POSSIBLY eat the fry? I'm perplexed. Honestly, I have no idea. Unless of course the fuking swim.

Of course knowing that those warm water fish NEVER venture into the actual lake.

You just made a huge ASS out of U.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2012 - 10:16am PT
Wes, really,, i can tell by your answers your not to hip on fish.. I fished professional tournaments for over a decade. Do you want some schoolin on this?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:17am PT
Funny thing about non native vs. native species. Lot's of introduced species in Patagonia: mink, rabbits, beaver, and many plants. Conservationists like Doug Thompkins rail against these species. Patagonia also has some of the best trout fishing in the World. Trout are not native and have pretty much decimated the native species. NOBODY complains about the trout.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 20, 2012 - 10:19am PT
JD,,Wildlife species get immigration status just like Humans.. Some go well others dont. Trial and error.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:21am PT
I fully support Ron starting a new business stuffing and painting only crawfish in his mom's basement.
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