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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 18, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
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As passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
well "regulated" - The only regulations on buying a gun:
Those convicted of felonies and certain misdemeanors except where state law reinstates rights, or removes disability.
Fugitives from justice
Unlawful users of certain depressant, narcotic, or stimulant drugs
Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution and currently containing a dangerous mental illness.
Non-US citizens, unless permanently immigrating into the U.S. or in possession of a hunting license legally issued in the U.S.
Illegal Aliens
Those who have renounced U.S. citizenship
Minors defined as under the age of eighteen for long guns and the age of twenty-one for handguns, with the exception of Vermont, eligible at age sixteen.
Persons convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence (an addition)
Persons under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for more than one year are ineligible to receive, transport, or ship any firearm or ammunition
Those adjudicated as mental defectives or incompetents or those committed to any mental institution and currently containing a dangerous mental illness.
The DMV is what links your criminal history so easily to a police officer when you get pulled over. A back ground check uses your driver's license to see if you're any of these, except for guess which one is covered by HIPPA.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/index.html
So there is no way for anyone selling a firearm to know, even those doing the background check, if anyone is mentally unhealthy.
So, let's start there before pulling the guns away from sane people.
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monolith
climber
albany,ca
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
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Better look up what well-regulated militia means from the historical context.
Not what you think it means.
The National Guard is well-regulated.
Guys shooting at a gun range are not well-regulated.
Hint: well-regulated does not mean regulations. More like control, supervise, train, efficient, responsive, coordinated.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Dec 18, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
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"Better look up what well-regulated means.
Not what you think it means."
Maybe it has nothing to do with government control, and everything to do with practicing your shooting on a regular basis ( a better reason for the public to "keep" arms ).
If that's the case, then the guys at the shooting sure as hell are "regulated".
Maybe you're right, and "regulated" doesn't mean what you think it does.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 18, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
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Yes, 'well deleted' is what is required here.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 18, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
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No one is "pulling guns from sane people".
They are encouraging pulling ridiculously effective killing machines and assorted paraphernalia from the market perversely obsessed with guns.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 18, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
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is irrelevant
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
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You thought that Rathole becauze you are incredibly dense. Only you nutters tbink this means no guns for anyone. Sbeeeeeitfdrbrains.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:45pm PT
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If you think this issue has anything to do with some conceptual Constitutional question, you are deluded.
This is nothing more than corporate America at work, manipulating the masses with the issue, for their own profiteering interests.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
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Philo, do you talk that way to your friend Jorge, the gun enthusiast?
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Captain...or Skully
climber
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Dec 18, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
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So you just jump the tracks on an old thread and make a new, similar thread?
Madness.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:54am PT
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:56am PT
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well "regulated" - The only regulations on buying a gun:
The entire phrase says "A well regulated militia,"
You forgot the part about militia.
Who here is part of a well-regulated militia?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 10:57am PT
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:00am PT
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apparently a well regulated bunch of pancake eaters meet at the carson city IHOP daily
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:03am PT
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F*#k, if I see another debate about gun control I will slice my throat. Mass shootings or killings been a part of our history since people started being people. And why do you all care? You all will die in a few days anyways. Heard of the Mayan calendar maggots?
If people want to kill they will find a way. Knives, make an explosive (there are web pages on line on how to make one just hit the search button!), multiple ways.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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Philo, do you talk that way to your friend Jorge, the gun enthusiast? No Ron I don't. But then Jorge is not a nutter. He doesn't prance around brandishing his man-dildo.
He is also an ordained Jesuit minister so the heinous slaughter at gun point of children is not an opportunity to brag about his arsenal. That is what I find so disturbing about tha wagon circled Rambo-ettes and their 2nd amendment shuffle.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Dec 19, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Shootings are just so much moqe emotionally charged...
That's because majority of people out there are f*#king pussies! Pulling a trigger is easy. If I was to go on a rampage I would be slicing motherf*#kers with a machete!
PS: LMAO that just made me laugh out loud.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Dec 19, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
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the 2nd amendment provides a means for individual liberty
the price for that liberty is the use of that means to other ends
that is the debate
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 21, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
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No Ron I don't. But then Jorge is not a nutter. He doesn't prance around brandishing his man-dildo.
He is also an ordained Jesuit minister so the heinous slaughter at gun point of children is not an opportunity to brag about his arsenal. That is what I find so disturbing about tha wagon circled Rambo-ettes and their 2nd amendment shuffle.
Strange how, when you make friends with the owner of a so called "assault weapon", they turn out to be regular people that you can like.
That is, if you can stop ranting about their taste for innocent blood.
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