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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Violent video games.

24 hour media coverage.

Hands off parenting.

I'd reverse the order.

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
Folks that need to do great violence to people they don't even know are incredible cowards. Mostly are afraid of life, blame the world for their troubles, their situation.

Brave men can face themselves and know... If there is a problem, it starts with them and they have no desire to blame someone else. They can handle life. Instead they don't look for the source of difficulties to find the blame, instead they simply conquer them.

I grew up with a brave man. My father was something else.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
"We have a COWARD problem. Whether we're talking mass-murder or street violence, these acts are committed by COWARDS. COWARDS with guns."...

I find that a ridiculous statement and one that is false...

why is that locker?
we don't know how the shooter died in this incident, but in most of these cases, these folks kill themselves because they don't want to face the consequences

Brandon, re your link. it seems in all those other countries, there is a war or threat of war scenario. in that situation, guns for self defense are probably a necessity
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
I'd reverse the order.

I'd agree with that.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:49pm PT
Brandon, we need all those guns to keep us safe. Don't ya know
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
We have a COWARD problem. Whether we're talking mass-murder or street violence, these acts are committed by COWARDS. COWARDS with guns.

That's silly. The shooter undoubtedly had mental issues but why use the word "coward?" To go in and start killing until they stop you almost always ends with a dead shooter.

They kept calling the 9-11 highjackers "Cowards" as well, apparently just because "Coward" is an insulting word, as suicide missions are crazy in many more ways than cowardly

So see a movie these days. I doubted the number of depicted killings in any theater is less than a few dozen on any given day

Peace

Karl
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
First and foremost, my thoughts and prayers are with all those involved in such a senseless, horrific tragedy.

Secondly, I believe t*r is correct in what she has posted here....our children need to be spared this horror...I know if my eight-year old were to hear of the details of this event, it would severely traumatize her. We need to hug our kids, love on them, and if and when they do hear of this event, we need to carefully nurture them through it, ideally sparing them the details that could haunt them.

I believe our failing values is at the root of what causes people to go off like this shooter did today. That our society has embraced violence in SO many areas is appalling. It is the duty of a PARENT to do exactly that...PARENT their children. This means making good decisions in what one allows their children to participate in....from watching violent videos and movies, TV, and those awful video games that glorify violence as a means of solving one's problems.

Broken homes are a factor here as well.....we have SO many fathers not involved in their kid's lives....and the anger caused by divorce gets transferred to children who are not getting the help they need to deal with it. Their access to scenes of violence on a daily basis has become their "parent". With this breakdown of the family/parenting unit, how can we not expect to see things like this happen?

We are creatures of our surroundings.....surround a child with love and communication, you are likely to teach that child to do likewise. Soak that child in anger, pain and violence, and they will live it out.

Many here blame guns....clearly a knee-jerk reaction. When you look at how many guns are in private hands in this country, if it were a gun problem, we would have far more deaths than we do.

This is a SOCIETY problem....and ours is a society in freefall in terms of moral responsibility.

Training a child in the way they should go requires a deep committment on the parents. Allowing today's forms of media to raise our kids will only lead to more days like today.
TwistedCrank

climber
Dingleberry Gulch, Ideeho
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
I don't see why those gun-toting psychos don't just go fukk off.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
we don't know how the shooter died in this incident...

OMG, I'm going to have to turn on the TV and stay glued until they find out. I can't wait to know... I need to know... OMG, how did it all end? I can go on until I find out... oh the suspense!

Anastasia, ^^^ THAT is what your parents were NOT exposed to.

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:53pm PT
I'm going to give up here, because I can't even follow the twists in that logic.

Kos, go to Peshawar and watch them make a machine gun out of used truck parts in an outdoor stall.

The genie is out of the bottle and you can't legislate it back in.
Yes, we need more love. That will fix it. Let's pass some legislation mandating more love
although that is the liberal's answer to everything.
QITNL

climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Cowardice is a trait wherein fear and excess self-concern override what is socially deemed as right and courageous action.

Any man who shoots another un-armed man in cold blood is a COWARD.

Yeah, it's an insult.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
Dean, IMO, it's both parenting and accessibility to firearms.

Kind of a perfect storm of terrible.
QITNL

climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:58pm PT
No problem, Locker, we can agree to disagree. Kumbaya.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
you don't need a AK to kill a deer.

I agree with your other points...this country is really messed up socially.

+1
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
This is a SOCIETY problem....and ours is a society in freefall in terms of moral responsibility.

If this is the root problem then please explain the record low rate of crime in America, including murder.
John M

climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
although that is the liberal's answer to everything.

you complain of over simplification, and yet resort to it. I know that one can't legislate this problem out of existence, but one can perhaps moderate it. Just because some people can build machine guns doesn't mean that every crazy person will. Most likely most won't, because they just won't have the mechanical ability to. So reducing access ( if that really is possible, and I don't' fully believe that it is ) could possibly reduce this problem. there is a difference between reducing and eliminating a problem.

Gun control is simply a method of reducing access. It will not eliminate the problem.
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Wow 28 dead- that's almost as bad as say A HALF MILLION dead civilians in Iraq.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
The main difference I see between my generation and this new one is that there are way more kids coming from broken families...

We had the same drugs, same mental illnesses, same weapons, etc...

Otherwise, what the hell is so different NOW, that has this kind of sh!t is happening so often and by so many???...

Haven't read the whole thread.

Probably multiple contributors.

Several generations of broken families and modern stresses probably has simply changed the "average" person's ability to deal, their sense of community & safety net, their morals and their aversion to resulting to violence.

I'm just taking a guess. There was no road rage 20 years ago, either. The world society in general feels a lot more angry / hot-tempered now.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
Just to reiterate Brandon's point for those who didn't click the link:

The good, the bad, and the just plain ignorant...
The good, the bad, and the just plain ignorant...
Credit: healyje
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 14, 2012 - 03:03pm PT
probably a gun nut.....


Left says sensible gun laws
Right says those kids should have been armed....


Damn shame all the way around
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