donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:12am PT
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Exactly Locker! The intent WAS there but knives aren't nearly as efficient as guns to actualize intent.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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Exactly, Jim.
I enjoy shooting now and again (read infrequently), but I'd give up the hobby if doing so helps to prevent this sort of sick and disgusting terrorism.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:14am PT
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Thank you for emphasizing the point. It can't be emphasized enough.
Rather, it will be interesting to see as time passes how many clues there were that this guy was nuts. Clues which went ignored.
Ignored because we blew $1.4 trillion on war while cutting nearly 10% of what we spend ($16 million) on mental health care. Ignored because people care more about their right to buy guns than their neighbor's right to proper medical treatment. Ignored because gun toting religitards are too busy fighting a woman's right to abort an unwanted child (a child that may very well develop mental health issues) than fighting for their ALREADY LIVING neighbor's right to proper mental health care.
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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My sincere condolences to the familys, the children, and the state of CONN.
The taking of innocent lives, especially young ones is the act of a devil imo. Thats what the Indians would think.
Heaven and hell? Perhaps we live the HELL to get to Heaven. At least that would lend some sense to this in some way.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:15am PT
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knives aren't nearly as efficient as guns to actualize intent.
Plus it's a lot more personal to go up and knife someone.
Latest report is one of his parents was found dead....ok ... Now it will be blame the parents.
Susan
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locker
Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:16am PT
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"How did god decide which children should live and which should die today?
all the parents with alive children are now thanking god for his decision"...
Random drawing...
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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Mental illness and easy access to guns is a tragic combination. Both problems need alot more attention. attention usualy equals money and money needs the political will. So call your politicans ask for funding and legislation in both areas. Is there a republican group that is against assault weapons; maybe they could get somewhere against the NRA lobby. I hear most cops are against easily available assault weapons why isn't their voice being heard?
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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Some of us gun owners don't belong to the NRA and personally I can't stand the NRA and view them as radical c*#ks@ckers. Guns are the easy scapegoat, but something way bigger is going on. I have no solutions, but feel terrible for all those involved.
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Dave Kos
Trad climber
Temecula
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:17am PT
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"Note the children were INJURED, not killed"...
But the intent was there...
Yup.
We can never eliminate the intent.
There is much we can do to eliminate the means.
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t*r
Mountain climber
where the wild things are
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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ron, et. al, i'm not suggesting that children stay sheltered from this. that's not going to happen. they're going to hear about it anyway. however, the way the mainstream media covers news is unhealthy for us and especially our children.
i hope people have the strength to turn the news off, and are able to stay calm, rational, and strong while discussing this with children, because right now, our nation's children need adults to be adults.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:18am PT
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"How did god decide which children should live and which should die today?
Are you kidding? God's power is so humongous and terrible and unknowable he just does this sh#t while he's making his toast in the morning.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:19am PT
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Is God an NRA member?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:20am PT
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This is obviously the fault of the NRA, this country's first civil rights organization.
It could not possibly be the result of a culture that so loves violence that if you show a tit in a movie it will be rated X, but if you hack it off then it is only rated R.
It couldn't be a result of a culture that substitutes video games and tv for sound parenting and loving attention.
Must have been the presence of the tool, a complex device that nobody could manufacture for themselves in their garage,..
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:22am PT
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Must have been the presence of the tool, a complex device that nobody could manufacture for themselves in their garage,..
Well a nice big bomb can be made in your garage, but there aren't many of those going off in malls or schools yet.
Maybe it's easier to get the guns than to build a bomb in your garage?
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locker
Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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"It could not possibly be the result of a culture that so loves violence that if you show a tit in a movie it will be rated X, but if you hack it off then it is only rated R."...
I blame that on the conservative, religious type that view NUDITY as PORN...
A different subject all together...
But to your point above...
SOMETHING is going on that wasn't when we were kids (50's and 60's)...
EDITED:
"Maybe it's easier to get the guns than to build a bomb in your garage?"...
Bombs are pretty fuking EASY to make...
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Ron Anderson
Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:23am PT
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Never mind the 300 or so fatalities from shootings in our cities the last week or two. They didnt make so much as a five minute report. Those nightly murders are just part of that new CULTURE weve let flow in right?
Porn of all manner
Video games showing graphic details
youtube chainsaw be heading vids
sites like "rotten.com"
All available 24/7 to your laptop.
We as Americans decided that "EVERYTHING IS ALL RIGHT" to coin a lyric.
Well guess what,, -we now live with all those decisions of the past that have led us to now. EVERYTHING ISNT MEANT TO BE ALLRIGHT,, to coin another lyric. That movie "fight club" has caused quite the damage to our young also. It now has a cult following of youngsters.
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10b4me
Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Latest report is one of his parents was found dead
yeah, I heard that is was the shooters' mother. also heard that the shooter was twenty years old.
as an aside, I think camo outfits should be outlawed.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:25am PT
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Ron, STFU.
Isolated incidents of violence are far different than what we are discussing right now.
Why do you always have to be an ass?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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You'd think that after events like this the gun nuts would even agree it may be time to try something drastic. Can you really love your "tools" that much?
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Anastasia
climber
InLOVEwithAris.
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Dec 14, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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Sheltering a child from violence... I am calling B.S. on that since my parents "GREW UP IN A WAR ZONE." They saw kids shot, people starved, horrible acts such as folks steeling for survival from their elders and... Seeing the victims of that theft die as a result. They were not homicidal maniacs because they saw such horrible stuff. They were the nicest, most moral, generous people I ever knew. Explain That!!!!
Now how can you shelter or not shelter a child? I sure as heck am not going to keep tragic news away from Aris. I think that is stupid since he will see it, he will be exposed to it "somewhere/somehow." What I am going to do is talk to him about it. Ask him what he thinks, have a discussion. Might as well teach him some coping skills and a few moral lessons while at it.
Just because life is harsh does not excuse bad behavior.
The whole gun debate isn't good either. We are avoiding the real issue. We as a nation are suffering because we lack a proper social structure. We don't have town squares, a place where people can connect to those living around them. This whole individual bubble isolation isn't working. We need to fix how we relate, be a real neighborhood instead of just people sharing a street and never talking to each other. Seriously folks, isn't it obvious???
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