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Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Mental illness and easy access to guns is a tragic combination. Both problems need alot more attention. attention usualy equals money and money needs the political will. So call your politicans ask for funding and legislation in both areas. Is there a republican group that is against assault weapons; maybe they could get somewhere against the NRA lobby. I hear most cops are against easily available assault weapons why isn't their voice being heard?
this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
Some of us gun owners don't belong to the NRA and personally I can't stand the NRA and view them as radical c*#ks@ckers. Guns are the easy scapegoat, but something way bigger is going on. I have no solutions, but feel terrible for all those involved.
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
"Note the children were INJURED, not killed"...

But the intent was there...

Yup.

We can never eliminate the intent.

There is much we can do to eliminate the means.



survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
"How did god decide which children should live and which should die today?


Are you kidding? God's power is so humongous and terrible and unknowable he just does this sh#t while he's making his toast in the morning.
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
Is God an NRA member?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:20pm PT
This is obviously the fault of the NRA, this country's first civil rights organization.

It could not possibly be the result of a culture that so loves violence that if you show a tit in a movie it will be rated X, but if you hack it off then it is only rated R.
It couldn't be a result of a culture that substitutes video games and tv for sound parenting and loving attention.

Must have been the presence of the tool, a complex device that nobody could manufacture for themselves in their garage,..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
Must have been the presence of the tool, a complex device that nobody could manufacture for themselves in their garage,..


Well a nice big bomb can be made in your garage, but there aren't many of those going off in malls or schools yet.

Maybe it's easier to get the guns than to build a bomb in your garage?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:23pm PT


"It could not possibly be the result of a culture that so loves violence that if you show a tit in a movie it will be rated X, but if you hack it off then it is only rated R."...

I blame that on the conservative, religious type that view NUDITY as PORN...

A different subject all together...





But to your point above...

SOMETHING is going on that wasn't when we were kids (50's and 60's)...







EDITED:

"Maybe it's easier to get the guns than to build a bomb in your garage?"...

Bombs are pretty fuking EASY to make...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:23pm PT
Never mind the 300 or so fatalities from shootings in our cities the last week or two. They didnt make so much as a five minute report. Those nightly murders are just part of that new CULTURE weve let flow in right?




Porn of all manner

Video games showing graphic details

youtube chainsaw be heading vids


sites like "rotten.com"


All available 24/7 to your laptop.


We as Americans decided that "EVERYTHING IS ALL RIGHT" to coin a lyric.
Well guess what,, -we now live with all those decisions of the past that have led us to now. EVERYTHING ISNT MEANT TO BE ALLRIGHT,, to coin another lyric. That movie "fight club" has caused quite the damage to our young also. It now has a cult following of youngsters.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
Latest report is one of his parents was found dead

yeah, I heard that is was the shooters' mother. also heard that the shooter was twenty years old.

as an aside, I think camo outfits should be outlawed.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
Ron, STFU.

Isolated incidents of violence are far different than what we are discussing right now.

Why do you always have to be an ass?
kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
You'd think that after events like this the gun nuts would even agree it may be time to try something drastic. Can you really love your "tools" that much?
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
Sheltering a child from violence... I am calling B.S. on that since my parents "GREW UP IN A WAR ZONE." They saw kids shot, people starved, horrible acts such as folks steeling for survival from their elders and... Seeing the victims of that theft die as a result. They were not homicidal maniacs because they saw such horrible stuff. They were the nicest, most moral, generous people I ever knew. Explain That!!!!

Now how can you shelter or not shelter a child? I sure as heck am not going to keep tragic news away from Aris. I think that is stupid since he will see it, he will be exposed to it "somewhere/somehow." What I am going to do is talk to him about it. Ask him what he thinks, have a discussion. Might as well teach him some coping skills and a few moral lessons while at it.

Just because life is harsh does not excuse bad behavior.

The whole gun debate isn't good either. We are avoiding the real issue. We as a nation are suffering because we lack a proper social structure. We don't have town squares, a place where people can connect to those living around them. This whole individual bubble isolation isn't working. We need to fix how we relate, be a real neighborhood instead of just people sharing a street and never talking to each other. Seriously folks, isn't it obvious???
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
This is obviously the fault of the NRA, this country's first civil rights organization.

Yes, they were the first. And that matters ... how?

The Catholics were the first organized religion in America, I guess that means the Pope is always right.

Slavery was one of the first industries.

Yeah, it really makes a difference, being "first."

It could not possibly be the result of a culture that so loves violence that if you show a tit in a movie it will be rated X, but if you hack it off then it is only rated R.
It couldn't be a result of a culture that substitutes video games and tv for sound parenting and loving attention.

Yes, we need more love. That will fix it. Let's pass some legislation mandating more love.

I'm sure that's why every other modern country on earth has far fewer gun-related homicides - because they love each other more.

Must have been the presence of the tool, a complex device that nobody could manufacture for themselves in their garage,..

I'm going to give up here, because I can't even follow the twists in that logic.

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
Violent video games.

24 hour media coverage.

Hands off parenting.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:29pm PT


"Can you really love your "tools" that much?"...

Gonna leave that one alone since this is a serious thread...

kennyt

climber
Woodfords,California
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Locker were not talking about that tool, or are we?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
+1 Anastasia!!


And Brandon,,, NIGHTLY shootings in the bay area are hardly "isolated" and in fact have their bearing here..

So why dont you go pound a fuggin nail instead of insulting your elders.- You would never make it in my tribe.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
By isolated I mean individual rather than mass.

Big difference.

Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
I am reposting this because I really think this is the real issue.


The whole gun debate is distracting, we are avoiding the real issue. We as a nation are suffering because we lack a proper social structure. We don't have town squares, a place where people can connect to those living around them. This whole individual bubble isolation isn't working. We need to fix how we relate, be a real neighborhood instead of just people sharing a street and never talking to each other. Seriously folks, isn't it obvious???

People are getting sick and no one is noticing or... Helping... That needs to change BIG TIME. We are social animals. We need each other.
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