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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2012 - 06:55am PT
how could you see that and immediately think, "i have to start denying whats going on RIGHT THIS MINUTE!"


Yeesh.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:00am PT
Silver - sorry man. I don't mean to go all nuts on you but in my opinion the denial attitude has done a ferocious amount of damage and like I said at this stage in the game it deserves a swift kick in the ass, at the very least.

From that Tyee article:

Credit where credit is due

Given their backgrounds, Harper's ministers deserve respect for having got where they are today. It took them years of patient, ambitious slogging to win nominations, win elections, and then win (and keep) a position in cabinet. Their success was a testament to their force of character, their ability to overcome obstacles, and their sheer, rugged individualism. During those years they were outsiders, looking in at the system created by better educated, more sophisticated politicians -- a system that must have seemed designed for the insiders' benefit, not the outsiders'.

But those without degrees from high-prestige schools tend to feel inferior to those who do have them. They tend to resent those snobbish eggheads and their egghead values, which tend to be left-wing anyway. Certainly they despise those values.

So it would make sense that when they won power, Harper and his ministers would ignore or bend the insiders' rules. They heaped abuse on educated public servants with dissenting policy views. They ditched the long-form census as a source of educated pro-insider data. They silenced educated scientists who made inconvenient findings. They cut programs that benefit the clients of those educated insiders. And they tried to kill educated debate before it started with terms like "child pornographers" and "environmental radicals."

Harper's lightly educated ministers might not have much talent at thinking and speaking on their feet, but they could commit their Harper-government talking points to memory, and stick to them, while journalists (also clearly educated and therefore hostile insiders) battered at them in vain. They had to -- without Harper, where would they be today?

And that wasn't all: As outsiders, Harper and his ministers could make a strong populist appeal to millions of other Canadians who felt excluded because they hadn't done well in school but had done pretty well afterward. (Or would have done well if the educated insiders hadn't imposed a lot of dumb laws and regulations on them.) They drove that intellectual snob Michael Ignatieff out of politics, and left Rhodes Scholar Bob Rae to orate to an unhearing House.

Having graduated summa c#m laude from the School of Hard Knocks, Harper's ministers need make no apology for their sparse academic backgrounds. They reached power their own way, and they've held it through the grace of their leader. What did education ever do for them, anyway?



Well, off to work in the old gas guzzler!
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:01am PT
lawyer ? at this point the earth needs a few good hitmen...
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:11am PT
Can a continental plate shift and a wobble on our axis wipe us out over the next thousand years even if we do everything we can to reverse our bad behaviors? Of course!
In a thousand years, the North American plate will move 23 m, or 0.00059 % of the 3900 km between Vancouver and Gander.
You think that's going to cause an axis wobble big enough to wipe us out?
Maybe you should retake grade 2 arithmetic.
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:22am PT
The wonderful world of Disney almost turned the beautiful Mineral King Valley into a " ski theme park " before earthjustice stopped them.Now its a part of Sequoia NP.
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:50am PT
I saw the movie last weekend---beautiful, awesome, very depressing. There is an article in this weeks Newsweek--the last "print" issue?--about the effects of global warming on agriculture---adding to my sense of foreboding. Sadly, though we all must do what we can to help--both in our lifestyles and through political activism, the true ability to do what needs to be done to try to reverse this catastrophe is in the hands of folks who really don't give a s**t. This is not a cop out, just a sad reality check.
Silver

Gym climber
Pumpkin Rock
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:54am PT
Bruce no problem I get it

Malamute relax it was a simple example of we can not control everything that is effecting us and while we impact we can be impacted by forces far greater than we control. Ok it's not a plate tech or axis wobble but there are forces at work we do not control that could change all those numbers you spew as insignificant requiring a retake of 2 nd grade math.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Dec 13, 2012 - 08:59am PT
WOW!

I always wondered where that burg that sank the Titanic came from.

I was reading about that recently. Someone reconstructed the weather at the time, and found out the Iceberg was unusual for the time and place. A weather "Perfect Storm".

I didn't see when that was released. I've read, it takes, as much as, two years, for them to completely melt. So, if the clip is less than 2 years old, that stuff is still out there.

I took a Whale Iceberg cruise from Norther Newfoundland about 4 years ago. Seems icebergs ground for a while and they'll be stationary sometimes and the boats can go right to them. There were a couple of smaller ones near the campsite.

Labrador Campsite with Iceberg
Labrador Campsite with Iceberg
Credit: John Duffield
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2012 - 09:05am PT
Gorgeous shot.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:40am PT
from what I've read, the methane release tipping point is really REALLY bad...yet so few people even know what it is...

Basically, there's a good chance that even if we got REALLY serious as a planet about averting the worst effects of climate change, it could easily be too late. We're already triggering the tipping point mechanisms that will multiply and exacerbate the problem. Sea levels are going to rise in the next 100 years (or sooner, everything keeps happening sooner than expected) and our coastal cities are going to be wasted. Bangladesh and places like that...sorry dudes.

Humans are causing climate change just as sure as my fireplace warms the house, as sure as CFC contributed heavily to the Ozone hole (which started to heal when we banned them) The deniers are the same kinda folks that denied tobacco causes cancer. (them, and human greed, lost us the chance to avert the tipping points once this issue was realized)

Now humans should start looking at plan B, if there's any way to reverse climate change through geo-engineering (some say chemtrails are an attempt at that, I have no idea) or at least transitioning big cities away from vulnerability to sea level before they start getting wiped out

Peace

Karl
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
All over the news this morning in So Cal, is coastal flooding from a King tide. No mentions of global warming that I heard,but there is coastal flooding all over the world.The Disney owned tv stations fail to mention every time LA floods that its a global issue. When the water comes in the tv station sets in hollywood will they still hide the truth from amercans?
If you choose to ignore reality, The more the companys like Disney will profit from ignorance.
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
I think there is ample scientific evidence to support human-induced climate change. The most clear evidence I've seen is the amount of atmospheric CO2 over a long period of time as preserved in core ice samples.


Sometimes liberal folks use unsupportable arguments in an attempt to demonstrate global warming. This just gives fuel to the doubters and works against the cause of widespread consensus.

For example, citing specific instances of high tides or record temperatures says nothing about what caused it, or even whether it represents a periodic natural phenomenon vs. something induced by humans.

The visual imagery in Chasing Ice is absolutely stunning and beautiful, but it says nothing about the causality of the events or normalcy of the observations in the grand scale of geologic time.

Imagine for example a bunch of Neanderthals wringing their hands about the receding glaciers that threatened to melt and expose Europe. Were human campfires causing the glaciers to recede? Was it a bad thing that glaciers retreated from the levels of 12,000 to 15,000 years ago?


But the ice core samples with historic CO2 levels show how truly out of whack things have been since the industrial revolution. Those graphs are far more damning from my perspective than the videos of glacial retreat.

But I like to think that I think in a logical fashion, and that does not appear to be something that is a universal phenomenon in our society. And for many folks, maybe seeing a picture of a glacier retreat seems more real than a graph of CO2 levels over the last hundred thousand years.


In any case, the imagery of the retreating glaciers is absolutely beautiful and I think whatever research funds went into making that archive was worth it.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:07pm PT
Why turn anotherwise coolio thread into ANOTHER catfight about sutpid climate change. Yeah, it changes. Uhhh.........duhhhhhh........

Check out this ( very low rez ) clip of a landslide in Borneo. Wow.

nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:12pm PT
Yer right Tami. I hadn't been to a movie theater in a few years, but went to see Chasing Ice last week or two. Definitely worth it!

p.s. Damn! That Malaysia one is pretty crazy too. Would be a bad day for a hike down in the valley.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
That is an OMG film clip.
That crazy Balog guy has been trying to come up with some really scary video for a few years.
Now that he's succeeded all the Global Warming Deniers will crawl out of their caves again.

It's entirely true that one spectacular event doesn't prove much. It's the long term picture of global warming that's undeniable. The human release of CO2 and hydrocarbons into the atmosphere is the main accelerating factor as correlated by climate data as well as thermodynamic/chemical models.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
Hey look, there are still ignorant climate change deniers on stupidtaco... how shocking!

You never know, there could be extreme weather events that we have no control over that would dump huge amounts of rain... which is why I continue to sh#t on my front porch.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 13, 2012 - 08:44pm PT
At 1:57 in the glacier clip, it is obvious that the calving is simply a breaching of a giant alien whale.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 13, 2012 - 11:28pm PT
^^^ I thought the same thing. What would Klimmer write ??? :-D ^^^^^
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:10am PT
I've never heard a climate change denier explain why reams of climate data complied over the past 80 years results in a 4 sigma outlier when put into a data set of readings taken from ice and earth samples ranging over the past 10000 years. It is easy to write off a few data points. But when attempting to explain millions of data points you get into the law of very large numbers. Just strictly from a satistical pov, how does global warming get explained away?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 14, 2012 - 05:40am PT
Just strictly from a satistical pov, how does global warming get explained away?

When facts & logic fail, you can always post a "but...but...ALGORE!"

Seriously, I hope many people will actually watch the movie, and find out for themselves what it presents. There's more to it than photos of ice, although those are something we've never seen before.
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