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GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 12, 2012 - 09:22pm PT
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/video/2012/dec/12/chasing-ice-iceberg-greenland-video

Yikes.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
The mountains make the rest of the world mundane.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:33pm PT
Extreme pucker factor!!!!
Nick

climber
portland, Oregon
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
Wow. Good thing global warming is a myth.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
Yeah.....we NEVER had glacial calving before Al Gore.
RP3

Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:43pm PT
Holy smokes! That is insane! The dense, blue basal ice is really neat to see.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Dec 12, 2012 - 09:45pm PT
I often used to wonder what kept the extreme of the extreme ice-climbers from doing a berg ascent….


Holy Shit!!!

That was huge.


Just too bad that all of that may be gone some day.


Nice posting
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:03pm PT

I saw the movie a couple of weeks ago--it's unreal.

Just too much James Balog. . .
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
Wow that was intense!

Cragman, are you really a climate change denier?

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:55pm PT
Yeah.....we NEVER had glacial calving before Al Gore.

Dean, you're a smart guy. Get your facts straight, Al Gore invented the Internet, not climate warming.

Susan
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 12, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
I'm thinking Crag dosn't deny.. he is just



Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
Pretty incredible!!!

Too bad we can't predict chaos and then funnel the energy.

Climate Change.....school me please, and I mean it, but hasn't it been changing over the millions of years this place has existed?

Beautiful evening to yo all, lynnie
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
I always wondered where that burg that sank the Titanic came from.
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:05pm PT
i bet just the sound live and in person was infinitely more powerful...
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
Woha! My jaw literally dropped.

I bet the sound of that must have been the most incredible part . . .
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
Cool!

Or i could say "WARMING". aS in Thats whats going on! OR; i could say
its "WARMING" to my heart, to know its not going the other way. And freezing the water at that rate. Cause Earth would be an iceberg right
Now! i don't move to well in the COLD!
John M

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:22pm PT
school me please, and I mean it, but hasn't it been changing over the millions of years this place has existed?

I generally try to stay out of these conversations.. but thought I would give it a go.

Yes the climate has changed over the eons. Warmer at times, cooler at others. We are currently experiencing a warming period. Scientist started looking into why and noticed a correlation between the advent of the industrial age and the warming. So some started looking at this correlation and now they believe that they have enough proof that humans are causing this recent warming. If I understand correctly, I believe that scientist think that they know the major reasons why the climate changed in the past, and none of that is happening right now.

The thing about the warming is that it could spell disaster for mankind. So some think that we need to do something about it.

Others don't want to do anything because

1. it will be expensive
2. they don't' think that what we might do would really do any good, so why waste the money.
3. they don't believe humans are causing the warming.

So there is a big fight..

I think that about sums it up. Though I am certain that there is more to it.

LL.. there is a climate change thread. This should probably go there, but its a bit over my pay grade, so I tend to stay off of it. Take all of this with a grain of salt. I am not a scientist, nor am I very learned in this subject.
Fletcher

Trad climber
The rock doesn't care what I think
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
Wow!!!!

They gave a hint of it in the audio. Imagine Manhattan calving off into the ocean. That island is about 13.5 miles long by 2.5 miles wide. The height of the seracs was mentioned at 300 to 400 feet. So those are a bunch of 30 to 40 story buildings packed together side by side on that 13.5x2.5 mile island. Just bobbing around in the ocean like corks.

But if you think that's big, wait 5 billion years when the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs the Earth!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_giant#The_Sun_as_a_red_giant

Eric
Reeotch

Trad climber
4 Corners Area
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
John M You've got some big balls.

He goes straight for the wicked highball with the bad landing!
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:29pm PT
damn liberal media - next thing you know we'll be talking about the shitty air and water we are leaving the kids ;-)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 12, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
The movie is brilliant, succeeds on four different levels. And along the way it manages to answer some obvious questions, give a sense of time and scale, lets you judge for yourself between the scientists and Fox News. Even mentions in passing where the Titanic's iceberg probably came from.
Chewybacca

Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:30am PT
Thanks for posting that amazing clip. Throughout the clip I kept imagining what it would feel like to have the ice break up under me while traversing a large ice field. What a nightmare!

I don't often go to the theater to watch movies (I prefer the comfort of my own home) but I'll definitely watch this movie at the theater.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:43am PT
DMT, it's ginormous.

All other Bay Area denizens: I think the movie is still playing at the California Theater in Berkeley. Definitely worth seeing.
Fletcher

Trad climber
The rock doesn't care what I think
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:45am PT
Throughout the clip I kept imagining what it would feel like to have the ice break up under me while traversing a large ice field. What a nightmare!

I was thinking the exact same thing!

Eric
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:47am PT
Yeah.....we NEVER had glacial calving before Al Gore.

Conservatives refuse to believe humans contributed to Climate Change unless we suggest that Al Gore caused it, and then it becomes plausible

Some scientists are predicting arctic ice will be gone as early as 2015/16. That would lead to a huge methane release tipping point as well.

Even though that particular ice won't raise sea level, melting ice in greenland will.

Bad news for anyone living at sea level not to mention Santa is screwed

Peace

Karl
TomCochrane

Trad climber
Santa Cruz Mountains and Monterey Bay
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:24am PT
observing the dying of a living planet
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:28am PT
observing the dying of a living planet

The planet will be just fine, it's Humans (and animals) that face death

Peace

karl
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:15am PT

" Some scientists are predicting arctic ice will be gone as early as 2015/16. That would lead to a huge methane release tipping point as well."

PLEASE...! What are they sell'in methane powered generators? LOL

Is melting ice a show of death? Isn,t Frozen water a form of sustained
death? Flowing water provides life..

The ONLY thing that will be a demise to the planet is; BS in the form of
the statement above.

In that case i have a methane generator i,ll sell ya.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:43am PT
Scientists have identified thousands of sites in the Arctic where methane that has been stored for many millennia is bubbling into the atmosphere.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18120093
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 07:20am PT
Anybody climbed Horsetail Falls in the last ten years? It gets to warm...
Anybody climbed Horsetail Falls in the last ten years? It gets to warm every time I plan to climb it. Here I am opting for the rock, seconding June lake flows after hiking back down the tracks again. Ice climbing is more and more of a risk it seems in Cal
Credit: jlnclimbs
Silver

Gym climber
Pumpkin Rock
Dec 13, 2012 - 08:46am PT
Always makes me laugh when people think we don't have an effect but makes me laugh harder when people just flat out think its all because of us.


Sure we're part of the problem but in the grand scheme of things we are pretty insignificant.


Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2012 - 08:55am PT
Sure we're part of the problem but in the grand scheme of things we are pretty insignificant.

I call total bullshit on this statement. What a fukin easy out. Yeah yeah we're all very insignificant blah blah....

Tell that to our next generation. I know if I was them and was handed a sh#t sandwich by my parents just so they could avoid the anguish of evolving I'd invent a time machine so I could go back and kick their self centered asses.

Insignificant. You sound like the Cheif.
Dirka

Trad climber
SF
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:06am PT
Intense
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:11am PT
That glacier breakup is a good example of a tipping point.
Silver

Gym climber
Pumpkin Rock
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:20am PT
Bruce you put more meaning into that than I did is the situation we create in our control? Of course and should we do everything possible to make sure we have as little impact as possible? Of course

Can a continental plate shift and a wobble on our axis wipe us out over the next thousand years even if we do everything we can to reverse our bad behaviors? Of course!

That's my point Bruce and I by all means care what the marbles condition is when my little one is handed the key to the planet.


That is an impressive display of calving and by all means cragmans fault for his huge fossil fuel consumption, ;)
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:36am PT
All other Bay Area denizens: I think the movie is still playing at the California Theater in Berkeley. Definitely worth seeing.

I was lucky enough to see it there, on the big screen. One unexpected level where the movie succeeds is art photography. Several nighttime sequences are breathtaking: we watch backlit ice formations while stars wheel and the northern lights writhe overhead.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:41am PT
Its a cop out. Worse yet, it plays directly into the hands of those who could give a fuk.

Of course we'll get nailed by a meteorite some day. However, there's quite a good chance it aint going to happen while my kids are on this planet, or their kids or even their kids. If we have such a cynical and lassiez faire attitude to the future why not just dump your used oil in the creek?

Bottom line? At this stage in the game only a complete moron or as#@&%e (possibly both) still denies the cause (overwhelming primary cause ) and highly signifcant effect of global warming, and the quite logical forecasts for the near future.

I realize you're just pointing out what you percieve as alarmism on both sides, but how you are weighting the significance is as logical as a Fair and Balanced Fox News.

You know what makes me laugh? How anybody can so easily draw conclusions 180 degrees opposite to such a strongly supported concensus of expert opinion with such apparent confidence of their own woefully lacking ability to judge. That isn't the red flag here? Al Gores big mansion is the real problem?

You want to know what the problem is? People are stupid and damn proud of it. Just ask Werner.

A surprising number of them actually run this boat:

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2012/12/13/Canadian-Conservatives-Education/

paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:44am PT
from what I've read, the methane release tipping point is really REALLY bad...yet so few people even know what it is...
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 09:49am PT
More than 80% othe the world's scientists agree global warming is caused by humans. Also , Polar Bears will be extinct within forty years at the current rate.
donate to Earthjustice.org " because the earth needs a good lawyer."
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2012 - 09:55am PT
how could you see that and immediately think, "i have to start denying whats going on RIGHT THIS MINUTE!"


Yeesh.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:00am PT
Silver - sorry man. I don't mean to go all nuts on you but in my opinion the denial attitude has done a ferocious amount of damage and like I said at this stage in the game it deserves a swift kick in the ass, at the very least.

From that Tyee article:

Credit where credit is due

Given their backgrounds, Harper's ministers deserve respect for having got where they are today. It took them years of patient, ambitious slogging to win nominations, win elections, and then win (and keep) a position in cabinet. Their success was a testament to their force of character, their ability to overcome obstacles, and their sheer, rugged individualism. During those years they were outsiders, looking in at the system created by better educated, more sophisticated politicians -- a system that must have seemed designed for the insiders' benefit, not the outsiders'.

But those without degrees from high-prestige schools tend to feel inferior to those who do have them. They tend to resent those snobbish eggheads and their egghead values, which tend to be left-wing anyway. Certainly they despise those values.

So it would make sense that when they won power, Harper and his ministers would ignore or bend the insiders' rules. They heaped abuse on educated public servants with dissenting policy views. They ditched the long-form census as a source of educated pro-insider data. They silenced educated scientists who made inconvenient findings. They cut programs that benefit the clients of those educated insiders. And they tried to kill educated debate before it started with terms like "child pornographers" and "environmental radicals."

Harper's lightly educated ministers might not have much talent at thinking and speaking on their feet, but they could commit their Harper-government talking points to memory, and stick to them, while journalists (also clearly educated and therefore hostile insiders) battered at them in vain. They had to -- without Harper, where would they be today?

And that wasn't all: As outsiders, Harper and his ministers could make a strong populist appeal to millions of other Canadians who felt excluded because they hadn't done well in school but had done pretty well afterward. (Or would have done well if the educated insiders hadn't imposed a lot of dumb laws and regulations on them.) They drove that intellectual snob Michael Ignatieff out of politics, and left Rhodes Scholar Bob Rae to orate to an unhearing House.

Having graduated summa c#m laude from the School of Hard Knocks, Harper's ministers need make no apology for their sparse academic backgrounds. They reached power their own way, and they've held it through the grace of their leader. What did education ever do for them, anyway?



Well, off to work in the old gas guzzler!
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:01am PT
lawyer ? at this point the earth needs a few good hitmen...
Malemute

Ice climber
the ghost
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:11am PT
Can a continental plate shift and a wobble on our axis wipe us out over the next thousand years even if we do everything we can to reverse our bad behaviors? Of course!
In a thousand years, the North American plate will move 23 m, or 0.00059 % of the 3900 km between Vancouver and Gander.
You think that's going to cause an axis wobble big enough to wipe us out?
Maybe you should retake grade 2 arithmetic.
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:22am PT
The wonderful world of Disney almost turned the beautiful Mineral King Valley into a " ski theme park " before earthjustice stopped them.Now its a part of Sequoia NP.
Alan Rubin

climber
Amherst,MA.
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:50am PT
I saw the movie last weekend---beautiful, awesome, very depressing. There is an article in this weeks Newsweek--the last "print" issue?--about the effects of global warming on agriculture---adding to my sense of foreboding. Sadly, though we all must do what we can to help--both in our lifestyles and through political activism, the true ability to do what needs to be done to try to reverse this catastrophe is in the hands of folks who really don't give a s**t. This is not a cop out, just a sad reality check.
Silver

Gym climber
Pumpkin Rock
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:54am PT
Bruce no problem I get it

Malamute relax it was a simple example of we can not control everything that is effecting us and while we impact we can be impacted by forces far greater than we control. Ok it's not a plate tech or axis wobble but there are forces at work we do not control that could change all those numbers you spew as insignificant requiring a retake of 2 nd grade math.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Dec 13, 2012 - 11:59am PT
WOW!

I always wondered where that burg that sank the Titanic came from.

I was reading about that recently. Someone reconstructed the weather at the time, and found out the Iceberg was unusual for the time and place. A weather "Perfect Storm".

I didn't see when that was released. I've read, it takes, as much as, two years, for them to completely melt. So, if the clip is less than 2 years old, that stuff is still out there.

I took a Whale Iceberg cruise from Norther Newfoundland about 4 years ago. Seems icebergs ground for a while and they'll be stationary sometimes and the boats can go right to them. There were a couple of smaller ones near the campsite.

Labrador Campsite with Iceberg
Labrador Campsite with Iceberg
Credit: John Duffield
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 13, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
Gorgeous shot.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
from what I've read, the methane release tipping point is really REALLY bad...yet so few people even know what it is...

Basically, there's a good chance that even if we got REALLY serious as a planet about averting the worst effects of climate change, it could easily be too late. We're already triggering the tipping point mechanisms that will multiply and exacerbate the problem. Sea levels are going to rise in the next 100 years (or sooner, everything keeps happening sooner than expected) and our coastal cities are going to be wasted. Bangladesh and places like that...sorry dudes.

Humans are causing climate change just as sure as my fireplace warms the house, as sure as CFC contributed heavily to the Ozone hole (which started to heal when we banned them) The deniers are the same kinda folks that denied tobacco causes cancer. (them, and human greed, lost us the chance to avert the tipping points once this issue was realized)

Now humans should start looking at plan B, if there's any way to reverse climate change through geo-engineering (some say chemtrails are an attempt at that, I have no idea) or at least transitioning big cities away from vulnerability to sea level before they start getting wiped out

Peace

Karl
jlnclimbs

climber
Apple Valley,CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
All over the news this morning in So Cal, is coastal flooding from a King tide. No mentions of global warming that I heard,but there is coastal flooding all over the world.The Disney owned tv stations fail to mention every time LA floods that its a global issue. When the water comes in the tv station sets in hollywood will they still hide the truth from amercans?
If you choose to ignore reality, The more the companys like Disney will profit from ignorance.
nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:02pm PT
I think there is ample scientific evidence to support human-induced climate change. The most clear evidence I've seen is the amount of atmospheric CO2 over a long period of time as preserved in core ice samples.


Sometimes liberal folks use unsupportable arguments in an attempt to demonstrate global warming. This just gives fuel to the doubters and works against the cause of widespread consensus.

For example, citing specific instances of high tides or record temperatures says nothing about what caused it, or even whether it represents a periodic natural phenomenon vs. something induced by humans.

The visual imagery in Chasing Ice is absolutely stunning and beautiful, but it says nothing about the causality of the events or normalcy of the observations in the grand scale of geologic time.

Imagine for example a bunch of Neanderthals wringing their hands about the receding glaciers that threatened to melt and expose Europe. Were human campfires causing the glaciers to recede? Was it a bad thing that glaciers retreated from the levels of 12,000 to 15,000 years ago?


But the ice core samples with historic CO2 levels show how truly out of whack things have been since the industrial revolution. Those graphs are far more damning from my perspective than the videos of glacial retreat.

But I like to think that I think in a logical fashion, and that does not appear to be something that is a universal phenomenon in our society. And for many folks, maybe seeing a picture of a glacier retreat seems more real than a graph of CO2 levels over the last hundred thousand years.


In any case, the imagery of the retreating glaciers is absolutely beautiful and I think whatever research funds went into making that archive was worth it.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
Why turn anotherwise coolio thread into ANOTHER catfight about sutpid climate change. Yeah, it changes. Uhhh.........duhhhhhh........

Check out this ( very low rez ) clip of a landslide in Borneo. Wow.

nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
Yer right Tami. I hadn't been to a movie theater in a few years, but went to see Chasing Ice last week or two. Definitely worth it!

p.s. Damn! That Malaysia one is pretty crazy too. Would be a bad day for a hike down in the valley.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:16pm PT
That is an OMG film clip.
That crazy Balog guy has been trying to come up with some really scary video for a few years.
Now that he's succeeded all the Global Warming Deniers will crawl out of their caves again.

It's entirely true that one spectacular event doesn't prove much. It's the long term picture of global warming that's undeniable. The human release of CO2 and hydrocarbons into the atmosphere is the main accelerating factor as correlated by climate data as well as thermodynamic/chemical models.
mechrist

Gym climber
South of Heaven
Dec 13, 2012 - 06:19pm PT
Hey look, there are still ignorant climate change deniers on stupidtaco... how shocking!

You never know, there could be extreme weather events that we have no control over that would dump huge amounts of rain... which is why I continue to sh#t on my front porch.
Splater

climber
Grey Matter
Dec 13, 2012 - 11:44pm PT
At 1:57 in the glacier clip, it is obvious that the calving is simply a breaching of a giant alien whale.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:28am PT
^^^ I thought the same thing. What would Klimmer write ??? :-D ^^^^^
Gunkie

Trad climber
East Coast US
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:10am PT
I've never heard a climate change denier explain why reams of climate data complied over the past 80 years results in a 4 sigma outlier when put into a data set of readings taken from ice and earth samples ranging over the past 10000 years. It is easy to write off a few data points. But when attempting to explain millions of data points you get into the law of very large numbers. Just strictly from a satistical pov, how does global warming get explained away?
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 14, 2012 - 08:40am PT
Just strictly from a satistical pov, how does global warming get explained away?

When facts & logic fail, you can always post a "but...but...ALGORE!"

Seriously, I hope many people will actually watch the movie, and find out for themselves what it presents. There's more to it than photos of ice, although those are something we've never seen before.
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Dec 16, 2012 - 10:59am PT
If anybody did not already watch the humongous (7.4 cubic kilometers) ice calving event that GDavis posted, here's one more chance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YoA_Z7y8f6Q

What we're looking at is the great glacier outlet near the Greenland town of Ilulissat. The movie calls it the Ilulissat Glacier; it's also known as the Jakobshavn Glacier or (Danish) Jakobshavn Isbræ. This huge outlet, the largest on Greenland's west coast, drains more than 6% of the Greenland Ice Sheet. Its rapid retreat, 18 km in the past 12 years alone, is being watched closely by glaciologists.







More information here (blog by Dr. Jason Box, Byrd Polar Research Center)
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