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socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 8, 2012 - 04:01pm PT
And the aid climber pictured? Must be Donald...

Charles
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 8, 2012 - 04:46pm PT
I know of a few folks who tried to make a clip without grabbing the draw an ended up with a broken ankle. We have a stupid system with a bunch of stupid unwritten rules and it does not get much dumber than breaking your ankle to satisfy the rock police. Naturally it is a good feeling to get a route clean but if it becomes a choice between ticking a redpoint on your MP profile and getting hurt that is feckin absurd.. the ONLY time sending a rout clean really matters is for the FFA . every ascent after that is just a game. I for one am not going to risk an ounce of my flesh over something that has allready been climbed. Yea I like the feeling of getting it clean but if I think the fall is risky and I am sketched that gear is getting grabbed every time;) I can always come back annother day and have annother shot at it.

Tradman, I agree that the rules are stupid.

But I don't agree that the rules make people do what they do. I also have no problem grabbing a draw when needed, because I choose to value my health more than style points or accolades. That choice is available to all climbers. People do what they do because of the values they choose.
tradmanclimbs

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Dec 8, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
Not saying the guy was doing it right. just saying that there ain't no shame in grabbing gear. I am all about Alpine rules unless I am doing the FFA.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 8, 2012 - 05:20pm PT
Not saying the guy was doing it right. just saying that there ain't no shame in grabbing gear. I am all about Alpine rules unless I am doing the FFA.

For sure. That's exactly how I interpreted it.

I'm just saying that "shame" is a chosen feeling.

If people are ashamed to grab gear, it's because they choose to buy into the rules... This isn't the fault of the rules, it's the fault of the people who choose to follow them.

That's all, just that small philosophical musing...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 8, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
Donald...

Pretty sure that's "Soft Cookie"(Edited: her handle here on ST) in that photo...

Something tells me she isn't going to dig you posting it in the context you did...

LOL!!!...




Of course I could be wrong...

Time will tell...

locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 8, 2012 - 05:41pm PT


She probably STILL isn't going to dig it...

;-)



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