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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2012 - 11:10am PT
I don't know if your recession is still going full bore or not but if it is this may be of interest:


http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/British+Columbia/Radio+West/ID/2313026862/

There is a ferocious drive for foreign workers right now going on, mostly in the resource and construction fields in remote areas. Heads up on this - you gotta sell your soul and have no moral qualms with raping canadian resources to send to china, but if you're hurting bad enough this may interest you

Apparently they are recruiting in california right now, after visiting Ireland, China, Russia.... you name it.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:40pm PT
The news piece specifically states they're looking for experienced/credentialed construction workers who will then be groomed over a year or two to enter middle-management. It's a gap created by retirement of middle-management in British Columbia.

They said the ideal candidate is 35 years old with 20 years experience in construction. Sounds like more than a few climbers out there.

Thanks for posting.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
Pedantic quibbling:
35 years old with 20 years experience in construction
Legal employment age in Canada is 15???
Or maybe someone went to school in the US and can't do math.
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
I'm hurting FROM work!
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
resource and construction fields in remote areas.

we talking tree planters?


there's a fast track to middle management. heh
D'Wolf

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
High Traverse,

Yep. Technically speaking, the minimum age is 12. In the U.S. it is 14.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Some more jobs..Employment with Sierra Nevada Brewery.
http://www.sierranevada.com/about/employment.asp

http://ch.tbe.taleo.net/CH04/ats/careers/searchResults.jsp?org=SIERRANEVADABREWINGCO&cws=1

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COOK Chico, CA
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FINANCIAL CONTROLLER Chico, CA
HOST Chico, CA
SALES REPRESENTATIVE - City of Boston & North Shore Sales - Northeast
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Onewhowalksonrocks..Thanks, fixed it.
Onewhowalksonrocks

Mountain climber
portland, Maine
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
Nita,

The link isn't working.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
Bruce's link is for jobs up in the oil sands specifically. we need you to help us decimate, draw & quarter, then sell off what's left of our resources to private foreign interest!! I think this new foreign worker program also gives the employer rights to waive OT pay, living & travel allowances & pay people far below industry standard. If I'm wrong about any of this Bruce please correct me, cheers.
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:38pm PT
Heads up on this - you gotta sell your soul and have no moral qualms with raping canadian resources to send to china, but if you're hurting bad enough this may interest you




right about now I'd rip out every tree in Canada for 800 bucks and 10 quarts of tequila




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graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
How hard is it to get a work visa for Canada?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
Ryan,

All the employers in Canada are doing to citizens what you listed regardless of any guest worker legislative convenience.

And I second what Cragman said !
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:14pm PT
Canada - or at least our governments - selling our country's future for a mess of pottage. Imagine that!
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
Northern BC is also hiring coal miners, if your Mandarin Chinese is good enough. Don't expect typical Canadian wages though.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:21pm PT
Anybody still hurting for work?

No way man we got Obama whipping a cradle to grave on us. Thanks though.
Todd Eastman

climber
Bellingham, WA
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
No way man we got Obama whipping a cradle to grave on us. Thanks though.

Grave diggers, please apply!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
Haha Granite climber looking for a change of scenery eh? I don't blame you.


It's a lot easier to get a Canadian working visa for a 'Mercian than it is for a Canadian to get a 'merrican visa. I think u also need to be under 30, clean record, etc.

http://www.international.gc.ca/experience/index.aspx?view=d


Hmm I see we changed the name of our temporary foreign worker program to the "international experience Canada initiative" or IEC, that's got a nice sugary coating to it.

Jim- good point!

Edit -Kunlun_Shans link illustrates the point I was trying to make.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:45pm PT
My ass is hurtin from workin but my thong gives support in all the right places...RJ
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Mighty Hiker.....selling for a mess of pottage.....that is a biblical phrase. What Joseph did to his brah, Esau. The results of said sale were not good. Pro like it won't be for your beautiful country. lynnie
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
What Joseph did to his brah, Esau. The results of said sale were not good. Pro like it won't be for your beautiful country. lynnie

Yes, it's a famous quote, one often heard here. Canada has a long and sorry history of selling its land and resources for less than we ought, often to foreigners. B.C. particularly, perhaps.
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
I heard the climbing scene in Fort MacMurray is just awesome....










































Semi-frozen tar flows on the side of the pit.
paganmonkeyboy

climber
mars...it's near nevada...
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
anybody knows java and oracle shoot me a pm...yeah it's soul sucking cubicle dwelling but we pay well and don't drug test ;-)
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:41pm PT
anybody knows java and oracle shoot me a pm


dont know java or oracle but ....I believe in magic


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9cp74_0B6U




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Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
Hey I never said it was going to be the gravy train. Big bucks though. Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor. I said if you're desperate this might be for you.

And no they don't want no stinking tree planters.
toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor.


you keep whetting my appetite with such talk


tell me, are there a lot of older, inexpensive whores in BC?




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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
It's always refreshing to see other people think Canada is a reasonable, thoughtful enterprise.

The war of 1812 was between the Brits and Americans for the golden rule of conquest; resources. Somehow this historical fact has been transformed into some sort of Canadian nation building triumphalism.

The real example of Canada pushing some British wankers aside and acting independently was in taking Vimy Ridge in France during WW1. The Newfies and everyone else had no interest in standing in place and getting shot dead.

There was never a great Canadian emancipation from some evil overseer. Socially and economically it's always been about resources and opportunity. Not a bad thing necessarily.

Personally, I think some trained help showing up would possibly give me a chance at getting home on time and having a day off now and then.
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 10:15pm PT
I think this new foreign worker program also gives the employer rights to waive OT pay, living & travel allowances & pay people far below industry standard. If I'm wrong about any of this Bruce please correct me, cheers.

Ryan raises an interesting point which I breifly wrestled with before posting. Indeed it seems one of the advantages for the employer going this route is drive down rates and other regulatory obligations. Just another warm hearted gift from our right wing government on our one way ticket to the bottom of the barrel.

Anyway, better you guys get the work than the Russian mafia. If you do go this way do your best to understand what the real wages are and don't settle for anything less. Then nail down how you might be exempt from standard labor laws and benefit packages, etc

tell me, are there a lot of older, inexpensive whores in BC?


there used to be tons, all toothless and one eyed, but they all left for Alberta quite a while ago.

So there's a few opportunities opened up in BC. Interested? I could put a good word in for you
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:45pm PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

The federal and provincial enforcement is weak as long as nothing goes wrong...

The client is no slouch about possibilities for profit and applying the grind. Everyone gets "safety" shoved up their ass but why I put the quotation marks to the word is that the modern version is to place complete industry blame for accidents on individuals.

It's the modern example of expecting coal miners to have broken drill bits docked from their pay except the upshot is it's not tools damaged but people.

Pretty good freedom of speech from a supervisor huh ?

toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:49pm PT
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the hardest part would be spelling labor as labour and color as colour and so on


but i guess working a chainsaw does not involve spelling much
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
This discussion reminds me of the Latin American tunnel workers, mostly from Costa Rica, who worked to complete the Canada Line in Vancouver (underground public transit) in time for the Olympics. They were paid $5/hour, which is less than Canadian minimum wage, and the dozen workers who tried to join the union received a $20 bonus when the job was completed. They did eventually win a suit for discrimination. Unionized Canadian workers would have received $25-30/hr, plus overtime and benefits.

As far as I'm concerned the foreign workers program legalizes exploitation. If workers are brought to Canada, they should be ensured equivalent rights and pay as Canadians.
John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:57pm PT
Standard labour laws and benefit packages are only as good as the enforcement concerning them.

Yep.. I was nearly crushed to death in a 14 foot deep ditch because of no safety gear. OSHA is sometimes crazy, but hurry hurry hurry up jobs with no safety can kill you.

The GOP on America is doing a great job of saying regulations and unions are evil, while they go about undercutting funding for oversight.

Big government versus Big business. I don't know which is worse.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:59pm PT
. I heard the climbing scene in Fort MacMurray is just awesome....

Grew up there..I can promise you it isn't ..LOL

There are always riches to be had somewhere in the world
Just have to be willing to do two things....move and work....

There is nothing like Fort Mac - burn outs who were kicked out of grade 7 making 250000 a year driving truck....

If I didjt have a job and I was American I would be in North Dakota..
Real easy....

toadgas

Trad climber
los angeles
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:02pm PT
Big government versus Big business. I don't know which is worse

Big Govt is always worse because they can legally tax you to death and legally execute you or detain you without just cause and put electrodes on your testicles




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John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:04pm PT
. electrodes on the testicles are fun.


you really need to get out more
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
Totally Terry.

There is no hatred about others trying to make money by working here. There is a growing movement towards inequity though.

Canadians don't want imported workers making less and having lower standards for the obvious effect it will have on citizens and for the danger faced by the guests that citizens would justifiably refuse.

Canada was built on immigration and the work provided. There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

Industry is waiting for their chance to call the labour movement and anyone involved with civil rights concerning imported labour, racist.

It's early times in a modern sense, but this is going to blow up socially.
John M

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:10pm PT
There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

We have the same history. Massive fortunes were built on other peoples lives. But we darn well better not tax it.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:14pm PT
[quote]. [ Hey I never said it was going to be the gravy train. Big bucks though. Long hours, long days, long weeks, minus thirty temps, lots of crack and liquor. I said if you're desperate this might be for you. /quote]

It ain't that bad....but Bruce is right - you do have to work and not just talk and whine like a pussy..

A lot of it is 7 days on 7 days off.
Two weeks on two weeks out....stuff like that..
Lots of 21 day stretches off -
If you work a long stretch like a pipeline job or a shutdown for 30 or 90 days or more you also end up with lots of time off..
Think working a high paying contract or job and then going to Thailand or Patagonia for 4 months or any combination or the above..

There is money work and freedom to be had for those who want it..

Minus 30 is refreshing when you get used to it..minus 48 is when it really starts to.suck....but ya spend about half the time warming up in the truck at that temp

I once worked 72 10 hour days in a row on a camp job when I was 19...
It feels good...it's what men should be doing....

I wish I could work nursing jobs that hard....but I just can't...to mentally and emotionally difficult..

I miss just doing good, hard work..

The For Mac lifestyle is pretty sick..
Piles of money and ya work less than half the days in the month..
Problem is 99 percent or people spend all their time up there frigging around..you sell your soul in a way..
Takes some managment and brains to get out and live on your days off..

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
Hey Riley,

I've been your 30-40 below ideal worker many times so give it up about the talk and whining. Yeah, there is an obligation to taking a job and that's doing work...So?

Reach for the bottom has become the standard every where though and after that, what's the new normal going to be ?
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
Kunlan shan - I'd forgotten about those guys on the Canada line! Classic stuff. canadians were available with a little training but on a little technicality they get the pink slip and a bunch of guys willing to get 1100 bucks a month and a kick in the ass are brought in off the boat. One can only imagine what the chinese coal miners will be getting.

I won't be surprised to see Russians get brought in to do avalanche control for all the up coming action in northern BC for 200 bucks and a bottle of vodka a day, which will be just undercutting the ski patrollers. The race to the bottom continues. I mentioned the opportunities to some Americans in Juneau but in the same breath I strongly suggested the standard day rate which might not sound Russian enough to pass.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:35pm PT
Interesting. The guy being interviewed couldn't say it....but the critical reality that most folks are aware of is that Canadians are spoilt and lazy.
If you are unemployed in Canada you are to stupid to work or to lazy to work..
That is why they are going elsewhere..

There is work everywhere in Canada..
Of course smoking weed all day and playing video games won't get ya a job.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
. Hey Riley,

I've been your 30-40 below ideal worker many times so give it up about the talk and e

Well of course you have....why you being defensive?
I'm with ya...
You work very hard....lots of people do..

I'm just trying to help the guy out there who maybe wants to change his life for the better by grabbing the bull by the horns....there is great opportunity they are not aware of..

These jobs are kick ass - they are not some third world sweat shop or mine job...


Most folks will find a reason to still not work..won't they?

A few won't
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:41pm PT
HAHAHA !

Bored on a slow night in the ER ?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:46pm PT
And to keep it obvious, Riley is right about some opportunity up here for skilled trades to find employment outside of the States.

Do apply, but don't wear blinders.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
. Reach for the bottom has become the standard every where though and after that, what's the new normal going to be e


What ya mean?

These are great opportunities - you can and will be a rich man if you want taking these jobs.

This has been the way of the world for ever.
Irish coming to America and making their richs while their freinds starve in the potato famine.

Or like my dad...working as a carpenter in small town Holland since he was 15 - immigration to Canada when he was 19 and starting his own company - retired from Syncrude at 55...

I mean ...go for it

Greatest thing is you don't have to go bankrupt if you get injured either...

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
Riley,

The opportunities and the work landscape are rapidly changing. It's great your father had the good fortune when he did but the reality is going to be less pay and more work.

Not a heartbreaker by any means but it is a sea change concerning standards and dignity.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:11am PT
Maybe some of the contracting type stuff?
I dunno..
You think they are trying to hire people from out of country to pay less

Got a few.buddies working in Saskatchewan ...not sure how they are doing now..

It's all not as good as Fort Mac I suppose..

Bur it's still canada! LOL



My entire family and freinds still work in Canada in big industry for Shell, Syncrude, Suncor, etc..

It's takes two electricians to change a light bulb...
..
It's not Somalia...
Or even close to a right to work state like Texas...
It's the greatest country in the world

My buddies who flunked out of grade 9 and are making 200 thousand a year and only working half the year think they have is bad also..
21 days off every second month and 7 on 7 off...

That said - not all jobs are created equal...
But these big industry jobs in Canada are cake compared to anything anywhere in the world.


What sucks is making 5 bucks an hour swinging a hammer and working all day, 7 days a week, with no medical, retirement, no breaks, no vacation, no future and its 110 degrees outside...like they do here in Texas..

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:31am PT
Too true and I hope the hammer swingers in your locale the best but Tornillo Texas is more than a place of mind.

That standard has already crept into Vancouver. It's like the killer bees of opportunity and economics, relentlessly heading North. A lot of people cushioned from the upcoming reality say, "what's their problem? No real education or prospects, what did they expect"?

the shocker is this is coming for all trades and professions.

Everyone complains about the guy in Mumbai on the phone trying to help the Westerner with their computer, while the Westerner complains about the helper's English.

The guy in Mumbai has the skills and works for way less... So do the math.





RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:54am PT
My buddies who flunked out of grade 9 and are making 200 thousand a year and only working half the year think they have is bad also..
21 days off every second month and 7 on 7 off...


So true, growing up in Kamloops most ppl either knock a chick up, move to the coast or go to the mac after high school. I guess a few go learn more books & stuff too, but it blows me away some of the cash they make up there & their schedules as well = lots of free time! Sadly though i'd say more than 50% have maxed out lines of credit, are fat, have at least a coke problem, & a F450 with the biggest tires imaginable with a sled in the back towing a travel trailer with another trailer attached that has a sea doo on it!! I got some buddies though who made good calls & at least financially are pretty stylin'. It could be a good gig for a climber so long as there's somewhere to hang a fingerboard.

Some really good posts on this thread.


Canadians don't want imported workers making less and having lower standards for the obvious effect it will have on citizens and for the danger faced by the guests that citizens would justifiably refuse.

Canada was built on immigration and the work provided. There are unbelievable examples of death from employment in our history, especially concerning Chinese worker building our rail roads.

Industry is waiting for their chance to call the labour movement and anyone involved with civil rights concerning imported labour, racist.

As far as I'm concerned the foreign workers program legalizes exploitation. If workers are brought to Canada, they should be ensured equivalent rights and pay as Canadians.

If you are unemployed in Canada you are to stupid to work or to lazy to work..
That is why they are going elsewhere..

There is work everywhere in Canada..
Of course smoking weed all day and playing video games won't get ya a job.




Hey i smoke weed & play video games sometimes & i have a sweet job!

I bet without the job i could play way more video games.......The rest of your post is spot on though.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Very interesting....very very interesting...

Ya..my BFF and I have been talking about this all week.
He is a film producer in Vancouver and has run into big problems because of a subcontracter outsourcing work to India and the work is really messed up.
So he has had to talk to India all week and has learned that just about all the margins he has been working with have been way off because everyone has been using foreign workers
He considers it unethical...tries to run an ethical business...
But like everyone..he is in big trouble...
The world is changing so fast...


This entire conversation actually ties in with our other conversations on mulitnationals, plutocrats and scum sucking, sell out, right wingers in Canada and the USA.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:58am PT
Just make sure you aren't a hippy if you plan on heading up that way, & if you are......keep it to yourself!!

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:02am PT
. So true, growing up in Kamloops most ppl either knock a chick up, move to the coast or go to the mac after high school. I guess a few go learn more books & stuff too, but it blows me away some of the cash they make up there & their schedules as well = lots of free time! Sadly though i'd say more than 50% have maxed out lines of credit, are fat, have at least a coke problem, & a F450 with the biggest tires imaginable with a sled in the back towing a travel trailer with another trailer attached that has a sea doo on it!!

Wtf !
Did we grow up together?
Lol

I havent been back home to Mcmurray in over 14 years since I was 28 years old - last time I went up for a wedding and ended up staying for two months instead of going on a big Central America trip. Coke piles the size of mountains and everyone drinking and and screwing their lives away...same sh#t we had all been doing since we were 13 together although the coke was new....when I left tha last time I swore off the place - and became a climber - ...never looked back...went about 13 years with out any serious partying.....been great....those guys are all still partying.....if they weren't all superman they would have been dead a long time ago....LOL...most is them with records and can't even travel..

My Sis has been telling me the latest thing to catch on with the richer doucher freinds is the whole jersey shore guido thing...f*#king losers ..LOL

I got a few good friends with 25 years in at one of the big planets....a few million in money and assets and they are traveling the world every month - retirement at 50
But that is rare.....
And they have spent their lives up there...LOL...yuck..
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:16pm PT
+1 Reilly, haha yep sounds about right!
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
Had never seen that Fubar stuff...hillarious...
Watched a bunch of them last night...

Love the House Wrecker
I have literally been at that party many times as a kid..
Pretty much the culture I grew up in to a T....LOL
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Riley - Don't kid yourself - you have it very good - stay south and stay happy bro .... wish me luck escaping to the USA one of these days, like you did.

best regards,
Bruce
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Dec 8, 2012 - 12:18am PT
I saw a similiar clip on the CBC where they are recruting construction workers in Sothern California, My favorite sound bite was from an elderly gent who admired Canadians and said " and I don't mind working in the cold"

Ha, Ha, Ha !

Seriously, the lumber industry is poised to quadruple production, with no where the needed qualified people.

Bring your touques and mukluks.
John M

climber
Dec 8, 2012 - 12:29am PT
Seriously, the lumber industry is poised to quadruple production, with no where the needed qualified people.

I wonder how sustainable that is. I drove back from Alaska in 1978 and was shocked at the clear cutting. I know Canada is big, but what I saw was astonishing in scope.
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 8, 2012 - 12:55am PT
Sustainable isn't always what the powers that be up north are gunning for John.
Rolfr

Social climber
North Vancouver BC
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:32pm PT
Of course the job market in lumber is not sustainable, nothing ever is! Logging practices are another topic.

With the US recovery and Chinese demand, there is a growing market for Canadian soft wood, along with an opportunity for employment and profit, coupled with a lack of skilled Canadian workers.

Opportunity abounds in the north for those who aren’t afraid of hard work and know how to keep their noses clean. Yes the labour market has changed since my father immigrated in 1957 and since I started my own business in the 70/80’s but what fueled our success was that we saw opportunity instead of obstacles.

I just had 2 employees come back from Fort Mac after 3 days, where they could have made 10 grand for three weeks work, but they came home early because they didn’t like camp life, two thoroughly entitled princesses. That is precisely why corporations bring in foreign workers who can actually pass drug tests and show up for work.

I didn’t grow up in Kamloops, but the east end of Vancouver where the choices and lifestyles where similar, and most of the success stories were immigrants who didn’t have a sense of entitlement, just look at the new emerging wealthy in the Indo Canadian community, and yes there is exploitation of workers in that sector but it still a great example. The opportunities have changed, but are still out there.

Jim, lets go climbing, we both spent enough time with our noses to the grindstone and old codgers can still crank !

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
I'm in Rolf ! gf and I had a little ski this morning and didn't talk about work once.

But... This is an example of how weird things are right now: Tomorrow I'm being flown out to Calgary, returning in the evening.

Why ?

To polish out some scratched Corian counter tops in a new coffee shop. This amounts to about 2 hours of actual work hanging on to an orbital sander. WTF ? Is sanding something smooth some kind of crazy skill not taught in high school shop class anymore ?
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 9, 2012 - 10:28pm PT
Damn u must be good with the sander Jim!

Great post too Rolf. The Indo Canadian community is smart & their way of just getting it done & pitching in to the same pot works well in our individual oriented "mememe" way of life & work. Just get to work, u cant count on winning lotto max princess. Your points about seeing opportunity over obstacles I liked.
snowhazed

Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:15am PT
This thread has taught me more about contemporary Canada than I could've imagined, and I have actually seen Fubar... in a hotel room in san diego....
BooDawg

Social climber
Butterfly Town
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
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209-966-8383; yosemitecloseup@gmail.com

Yosemite Driver-Guides Wanted!

Summer tour guides will lead nature & history tours in Yosemite National Park. Work will begin as part-time, temporary. Pay begins at $15 per hour for 8-hour days.

Minimum qualifications:

• At least 21 years of age;
• Possess a California Class B drivers license with a Passenger Endorsement;
• Possess a clean driving record for the last 3 years;
• Possess current training in CPR and Basic First Aid or more advanced training;
• Be willing to submit to and able to pass random drug testing;
• Possess excellent verbal communication skills combined with an upbeat, positive, and friendly personality;
• Once committed to work certain days, must be reliable and punctual;
• Must have reliable phone communication at home;

Desirable Qualifications:

• Possess thorough knowledge of the human and natural history of Yosemite National Park.
• Find genuine enjoyment, sharing knowledge and personal experiences with people of all ages and nationalities in Yosemite
• Have previous experience leading groups in outdoor settings.
• Possess specialized or focused knowledge in such areas as bird-watching, rock-climbing, geology, Yosemite ecosystems; ethno-botany; etc.
• Speak one or more foreign languages.
• Present a clean, well-groomed appearance.
• Reside in or be willing to relocate to Mariposa, CA for the summer.

We will be pleased to train guides in the natural and human history of Yosemite and offer free tours to applicants, so they can learn first-hand about the kind of tours that we offer and what would be expected of one of our guides.

If you apply and don’t possess the required driver’s license, we can provide the use of one of our vans to practice driving and to take the driving test which would probably take place on a business day in Fresno. Please plan on passing the written tests and allowing at least 45 days from passing the written exams before taking the Driving Test. The DMV has a long waiting list for commercial driving tests.

If you are interested, please submit a letter of interest and a written resume as email attachments to yosemitecloseup@gmail.com. If you have questions, please submit them in your letter.

Thank you.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
Latest on Chinese miners being recruited for jobs in Canada:

see http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/12/10/chinese-miner-investigation.html for full story

Chinese miners asked to pay for Canadian jobs
CBC investigation finds recruiters offering jobs to inexperienced miners
By Lisa Laventure, CBC News

Posted: Dec 10, 2012 8:10 PM PT

Labour brokers may be charging Chinese miners up to $16,000 for the chance to work in Canadian mines as temporary foreign workers, a CBC investigation has found.
The National visited a prominent recruitment agency in Beijing carrying hidden cameras. Investigators posing as miners learned that workers with minimal mining experience are being offered positions in Canadian gold, copper and potash mines.
Recruiters said that, once working in Canada, miners would be paid no less than $10 per hour. Permanent workers in Canada’s underground and surface mines are paid on average $25 to $30 per hour.
Investigators also learned that workers are asked to pay a deposit of several thousand dollars to secure a spot in a Canadian mine. The agency said that the remainder of the $16,000 fee is taken directly from the miner’s paycheque until paid in full...
thekidcormier

Gym climber
squamish, b.c.
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:36pm PT
Too much work, not enough time off.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
Even our fundamentalist evangelical accountant Prime Minister Stephen Harper, has stepped back expediently from the labour expedience of the Chinese Miner scandal.

It is an attempt at a variation on traditional human trafficing. That it's obvious to the GOD WILL JUDGE US IN THE END crowd who currently hold power, is a big example of ethical pause.

To be clear, I have no problem with any one finding opportunity for a better life any where they can find it.

Slavery is wrong though, no matter how palatably it is presented to the locals.

We are in the midst of a media barrage about the need for labour to fill the positions of the retiring Baby Boomers. There was never a crisis if industry had supported the youth coming up through apprenticeship or at least basic on the job training.

All the gangsters and PlayStation wannabes are the byproduct of market success without labour (people) growth. This was some kind of economic triumph a few recessions past but has become the chickens who come home to roost, steal, extort,deal and bully the neighborhood.

It's some big surprise that international crime organizations see an opportunity ?
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 12:06am PT
Too much work, not enough time off

You just want to climb, more than earning less than minimum wage :-)
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 11, 2012 - 12:09am PT
Just watched FUBAR 2 for the second time - easily one of my favorite movies of all time.
And pretty much a biopic of my years from 14 to 16.
Can't wait to find the first one somewhere.

Crazy what is going on in Canada now - another Republican scum sucker selling out his country.

Those potash mines are in Northern Saskatchewan - I have friends working all over Saskatchewan now and it was pretty much a dying province when i was a kid.
brownie

Trad climber
squamish
Dec 23, 2012 - 11:00pm PT
i'm rich!! you guys should see how much pot ash i have, like buckets full. cormier's got some too so i guess we are set! wooohoooo!
RyanD

climber
Squamish
Dec 24, 2012 - 12:30am PT
^^^My garage floor is covered in it too, never knew it was worth anything. Maybe I'll stop sweeping it out every Sunday.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 24, 2012 - 07:28am PT
I retired because work used to make me hurt.
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