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Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
Hey Everybody, I feel like it's time for another ST Spring Fundraiser.

As you know John recently had a major accident that's going to require several surgeries and lots of Rehab. The costs for whats not covered by his Insurance are mounting. Let's try and workout a Fundraiser for this Spring in J.T. . .Todd? Tarbuster? Mighty Hiker? Cragman? . .Ron Gomez give ma a shout, you're in charge.


Edit, He's doing well, it's going take some time to healup. Guy, love that idea, old skool slideshow and lies around a campfire. . .
Gene

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
Sounds like a plan, Bullwinkle. How's John doing?

g
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:16pm PT
Great Idea.......

I'll pay $$$$ if John will tell stories around a real campfire....

oh yea, how about.... no loud band, this time?

Just some great slides and a bonfire...

Gcshelto

Trad climber
riverside
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
I donated a couple of custom E-Z UPs for the Gordon Ranch Fundraiser last year. I'll be happy to have a couple more made again.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
Nothing wrong with fundraisers. It's one of the good things that happens here at ST.

However not everyone needs it or wants it. Bullwinkle is this something Largo has said he's ok with?

Or would this be something to help fund some good causes other than a specific individual?

Totally cool idea either way if the recipients are willing.
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:22pm PT
We are due for another JT reunion...
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Ski,

Yes I just spoke to him about this, his bills are already off the chart and he has a hard road ahead. . .
Tahoe climber

climber
Davis these days
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
Time to pony up, peeps. Largo needs us.

http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long

TC
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:41pm PT
Not hard to imagine. A long hospital stay can be a massive financial burden even with "good" Insurance.
John Mac

Trad climber
Littleton, CO
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
I'll post it up on MountainProject.com

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Time to pony up, peeps. Largo needs us.

http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long

Thanks for the link, Taho. Even though I was very well insured, the co-pays for the rehab from my Achilles tendon surgery this year weren't cheap, and Largo is looking at something far more extensive. I only wish I had more to give now.

John
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:21pm PT
After seeing some of these things go terribly wrong (ie: the Bachar debacle where that dude Greene stole all the shit) who is behind the link below and in ultimately in charge of the funds?

http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
The link led to the Access Fund, although there was a different address on PayPal. The involvement of the Access Fund, however, struck me as a sufficient safeguard.

John
zardoz

Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
That Greene guy claimed he was devastated by Hurricane Katrina as well and I sent him a twenty. Ha ha ha. Quite the accomplished grifter. Glad he moved on to other suckers.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:28pm PT

I can't imagine someone like JL not having full medical coverage...

He must be insured...

If not he could be in deep doo doo...




JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
Oops! I did not see an Access Fund connection when I clicked in again, but my experience with Chip In has generally been positive.

Locker, again, I had a very extensive (and expensive) Blue Shield plan and Aflac, and still had uncovered out-of-pocket expenses.

John
zardoz

Trad climber
Denver, Colorado
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
My guess is that John has a catastrophic health care plan like I did when I was self employed. The deductible is usually high, sometimes like $8,000. So odds are his plan is not going to cover a huge chunk of change.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
B_E_S: give it a rest. If this is going to be the actual fundraiser link thread, the last thing we need is how much a strapadicktome cost in 1983. Perhaps this ONE thread can sorta stay on topic for a bit. Besides, you are making Bullwinkle nuts.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:38pm PT

"strapadicktome"...

LOfukingL!!!...

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
Hey BES why don't you stick to fighting in court about the constitutionality of the DMV asking your name and other burning legal matters?
Gene

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
Something does not seem right with that Bryce.

EDIT: a comment made to a now deleted post.
Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
Sue the gym?
Sewellymon

climber
.....in a single wide......
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:18pm PT
..is B_E_S really Graniteclimber in disguise?

Back on topic, .... JT reunion fundraiser. I'll pay to attend a Largo slideshow...
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
The fundraising link goes to the John Long Donations Fund in the name of Krista Goodsitt.

John
Naitch

climber
Seneca area
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
If there is a gathering in JT and John is there telling stories, someone record it please! :-)

If there's a raffle or auction I'll donate a set of my Gstrings, well...errr....uh, not one of MY Gstrings, but a set of my company's Gstring Climbing Grips.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
Riley can run shotgun on the loonies with the Fish. The Fundraiser that I'm proposing here is separate from the chipin link. Hopefully John will be mobile enough by the Spring to attend and be apart of this Event. This would be something to not only help and give back to Largo but to also bring together the community that he's Mentored for so many years.


Edit, Tami, your work is Amazing! ! ! That would be awesome, details to follow as they get worked out. D
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:42pm PT
Dean I'll donate a painting to the cause. If you are unfamiliar with my work, ask Largo :-)
It could be auctioned for the cause.
PM me please if this is something you'd like to do.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:48pm PT

LOL!!!...

Think of what it's like for those of us WITHOUT insurance...

;-)



EDITED:

I got some stuff I can donate if it in fact comes to fruition...

Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:00pm PT
I'm surprised how often people don't realize that getting injured or sick is very expensive even with insurance. Any insurance is better than none, but most insurance is pretty weak.

Looking forward to hearing the date and hoping it is workable for us.

edit: And agreed Locker about no insurance. I went a long time without any and lucked out. Many do not. :/
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:13pm PT
I'd be glad to help however I can, and attend any fundraiser, if I can. Just let me know.
locker

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:15pm PT

"edit: And agreed Locker about no insurance. I went a long time without any and lucked out. Many do not."...


Yeah!!!...

Like me for instance...

;-)



No one ever started a fundraiser for me...

;-/


LOL!!!...

TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
Count me in Dean. Whatever I can do.....
TY
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:40pm PT
Can you make it happen before the Sushifest?(Otherwise I have to choose one over the other...and it is all about me, isn't it?)

I haven't been able to keep up on the thread about his injury. Just read the beginning part and hadn't yet been mentioned the extent. What a bummer for him. I don't think anyone goes to a climbing gym thinking "I could be seriously injured." I mean, I know we know the potential is there, but it seems such a freak occurrence. Sorry to know he has been hurt so badly.
Silver

Gym climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
We are all one injury and or illness from bankrupt, and homeless.

Bullwinkle and I know as well as others how hard it is to come back from severe ankle breaks. Im 14 years out from a shattered right ankle and well every day is a painful reminder at how that one day changed my life.

Best of luck JL

You will survive! watch out for those pain meds they are brutal on the body and the mind.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
Of course I'm in for helping out with a Fundraiser (in addition to the Chip-In -- which I am assuming is on the up and up).

pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
Considering the contributions John has made to this sport, I think it should not be a question of if we should have a fundraiser but when and where.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
We are all one injury and or illness from bankrupt, and homeless.

Truer words were never spoken.
Double D

climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:54pm PT
I'm in.

Credit: Double D

Highest bidder gets a signed and numbered 11x14. John gets the dough.

Bullwinkle, just let me know who, where and how.

dee ee

Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:23pm PT
Ho man, count me in.
locker

Social climber
Womans lingerie
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:25pm PT

If there is a get together...

Todds???...

Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
Boy, I'd love to throw down some $ but I need $ for my own medical expenses right now. Sorry to hear there is surgery in the plural planned for Mr. Long. That sucks! I at least have been able to avoid that sad fate in my current convalescence. I hope others aren't as lame [pun intended] as I am and can donate to our favorite and decidedly non-pusillanimous bastion of climbing rugosity.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Locker, yes Todd's if he's into it. You don't have to donate to enjoy the Fundrasier, it's about community and showing up too.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
Uh, showing up would be $ for me. Quite a bit, in fact. I wish John L the best and that there is a large support from the community local and otherwise.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
I'm in.
locker

Social climber
Womans lingerie
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:50pm PT


"You don't have to donate to enjoy the Fundrasier, it's about community and showing up too."...



Hoping like hell that I can get to the gig when it occurs...

and ALWAYS willing to donate to a good cause...



"Locker, yes Todd's if he's into it."...

I only bet on a sure thing...

I'd bet he's into it...

;-)

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
Depending on the date, I may not be able to attend, but count me in for a donation for sure!

Best to Largo,
DR
klk

Trad climber
cali
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
sorry to hear about the surgeries-- i was hoping it wouldn't be as bad as it looked in that initial pic.






locker:
No one ever started a fundraiser for me...

u r a rich man: u have 17 frickin guitars and a blue butt plug.

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:12pm PT
"No one ever started a fundraiser for me..." Locker




We only help out with medical issues....mental patients are on their own.
Besides, Locker...you self-medicate anyway!

:)
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
The last fundraiser at Todd's was a hoot- good folks, good times.
AND I shared a rope with ol Largo.
I'll mos def be there!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
Ferretlegger and I are in. Pretty open as to dates as long as not conflicting with Sushi Fest



Susan
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
Always have a hand out for a brother in need. Need to talk to my wife. We all love John, wish him the best, and we all need, once again, to rally together on this one. It's gonna be a tough road ahead;.....Rest assured, we got your back, John.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 6, 2012 - 09:26pm PT
This is really weird for a guy with a doc for a daughter...
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:15pm PT


"u r a rich man: u have 17 frickin guitars and a blue butt plug."...

^^^ well, ya got me there...

LOL!!!...




"We only help out with medical issues....mental patients are on their own.

Besides, Locker...you self-medicate anyway!"
...

You think Obama will pay for my WEED???...

;-)



Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:42pm PT
I can throw in a couple of the new second edition of Boulder Canyon rock climbs and a few new Shelf Rd guides. Would also throw in some cash and maybe if timing is right come out to the benefit.

I just had a huge medical bill after open heart surgery...my plan paid for a large percentage of the bill but still had a chunk of change out of pocket. This crap can wipe out your savings in the matter of days.

Hang in there JL and hoping for the best for you.

Todd...way to go. You are a class act.


Bob
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:00am PT
Well. It probably comes as a surprise to many that Johno is not terrifically wealthy after all those books, all the slide shows, all the years, all the legendary ascents.

He has still been shaking the dice, staying fit, helping tons of people on intimate levels through four decades, has a family and a dear wife now that perhaps is ailing as well. He remains amongst us and has a story much like most ST members: he gave it all at "church", so to speak and today the rest of us join in to help this man at one of his bad spots along the way.

JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
The fundraising link goes to the John Long Donations Fund in the name of Krista Goodsitt.
Who is this person managing the fund collection and what his her connection to John Long? I can't find her name anywhere behind the Chipin link. Seems this might go a lot better if all this stuff was a little clearer and open.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:17pm PT
This is really weird for a guy with a doc for a daughter...


My understanding is she is a medical student. Huge difference, and would explain any lack of money as well. My wife's a doc (not MD) and I married into 100k in debt. I'm sure you can figure the math out as far as how that sort of debt alters the father's funds.

edit: I can understand some cynicism as far as making sure the money gets to the right place, JLP, but we shouldn't make this a slag fest when a guys who has given his heart and soul to the community sits broken in the hospital. That would be completely tactless.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
Jeeba - Largo's eldest daughter is a medical doctor and she lives in Venezuela.
neversummer

Trad climber
30 mins. from suicide USA
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:19pm PT
ill kick in a lil' sumpin....heal up.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Are we still planning on a bonfire and ghost stories.

I'm down for that count!

I remember one winter in JT, some wood lot owner would pull up with his dump truck loaded with a cord or so of wood, and dump in all in a fire ring and light it up.

We'd all be standing about 30' away, with our fronts roasting and our backs freezing.


Yeah, like that...
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
k-man, guilty as charged. Those were some wild fires.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Ha! Now that is cool!
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Todd...way to go. You are a class act.

+1

"No one ever started a fundraiser for me..." Locker
We only help out with medical issues....mental patients are on their own.

now, that was funny
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 7, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
BOwinkle. . . do you have a mailing address for Long? What hospital and the like? So we can send cards?

?

Thanks!

oxoxoxoxo

Brockman
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
Silver's right. Even if you have planned well financially, the perfect storm can destroy it all.

The community can help keep that from happening. I would be glad to help in whatever way I can. Hope someone establishes the date asap so people can begin to make plans.

Ditto ekat about an address.

Peace, lynne
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:52pm PT
How many days in the hospital now for John?
This is going to be one expensive bivouac and also ain't going to be any soaking-the-cast-off-early and jumping right-back-up-on-the-pipe type of recovery.

But for our part, we can try real hard and imagine it so:



We are all pulling for you John.
Vegasclimber

Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
Dec 7, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
It's my hope that the drama queens and bullies alike can act like gentleman and focus on Largo.

Amen to that, Coz, and thanks for your offer, that's awesome.

I have never had the honor of meeting John, but in my eyes he is a legend (as he is in many.)May you heal up fast!

As a recent recipient of a $50k bill over my last Yosemite adventure, I know well how fast one's life can get turned upside down by an unexpected incident.

I really like the idea of a JT gathering and bonfire stories/fundraiser...would love to see this happen!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
Coz, that's a mighty nice offer. If there's an event down by the Tree, I'd make sure the house was rented for at least a couple of nights.

Ho man, Spring in JTree....
m.

Trad climber
UT
Dec 7, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
Hey Bullwinkle. I've been following the comments about fundraising for Largo, and I wanted to propose an idea- doing something at Outdoor Retailer in January. I don't know how much money needs to be raised, but it sounds like "a lot". Using the Access Fund booth at OR? asking Black diamond to host a slide show during the show? getting companies to chip in $? I haven't spoken to anyone about this, so I'm wondering what you guys think. awaiting instructions!
maria.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 7, 2012 - 06:39pm PT
JL has a book-keeper so stop with the clarity BS, please.

Does the name Tim Greene ring a bell?
mareko

Trad climber
San Francisco
Dec 7, 2012 - 06:40pm PT
Sent you little something.

Ciao, Mark

Jeremy

Social climber
Albuquerque, NM
Dec 7, 2012 - 06:46pm PT
It's my hope that the drama queens and bullies alike can act like gentleman and focus on Largo.


Did you really just say that Coz?

CLASSIC.

Happy Friday all!
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 7, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
Count me in. I'll help out however I can.

DE getting the beta from Largo at GordoFest
DE getting the beta from Largo at GordoFest
Credit: StahlBro
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 7, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
hey there say, ... like ekat:

where can send cards and get well cheer?


also, not sure what i can do...
i could donate dreamcatcher... but they don't bring much,
:(


but i can't donate a painting at the moments, as i got about four oils
and some acrylics already in the works, all due to go to
folks, hopeflly for dec and jan, :(


wrong time for me, i am soooo sorry to say...
but;
i CAN and will pray, of course and CAN do some get well stuff


hoping and praying for a speedy as possible victory to you
john!

god bless!!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
m. wrote:
Using the Access Fund booth at OR? asking Black diamond to host a slide show during the show? getting companies to chip in $? I haven't spoken to anyone about this, so I'm wondering what you guys think. awaiting instructions!

+1 for Maria as industry coordinator for the Largo Fundraiser.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
My first thought would be to get the Outdoor Retailer to comp a booth just for the fundraiser? I doubt we'd have any trouble staffing the booth.
Prime real estate of course. None of this out in the back 40 stuff.

I'm surprised they haven't approached us about it yet! Heh. I mean come on kids: you think the guy had anything to do with popularizing the sport?

(But barring that, yes maybe The Access Fund for some space sounds good).
BrassNuts

Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
Dec 8, 2012 - 09:24am PT
+1 for a Largo Fest! We'd love to attend and help if logistics allow. Healing energy to John...
JL at the Gordo-Fest this last Spring
JL at the Gordo-Fest this last Spring
Credit: BrassNuts
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 8, 2012 - 10:02am PT
It's now been almost 24 hours since TC posted the URL (http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long); for the donations, and although people are posting comments to John, the contribution level has not changed on the site. Its legitimacy has been questioned here, and that's made me hesitant to use it. Things are a little murky.

Can someone say who the initiator of the donation site is, or provide an address where a donation could be sent for John?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 8, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
This is much more serious then "just" a broken ankle.


http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1998854&msg=2006453#msg2006453


I have no idea except what i saw in the pic and a few tidbits..But he does have a severe open tib fib injury and is still in the hospital after about a week. He had emergency surgery and has at least two more surgeries in the future - maybe a fasciotomy, nerve damage, compromised circulation, infection, arterial vascular damage,severe bone damage,tendon rupture or laceration, severe muscle damage, osteomylitis, sepsis,severe swelling, pain....a week in the hosp in LA with multilpe surgeries...easy over 100 000 thousand etc
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 8, 2012 - 06:49pm PT
Largo Dec 8, 2012 - 03:13pm PT

Thanks for all the support. I'l make it through this.

Any "fund" was done without my knowledge and while no doubt well-intended is not the way to go. Nobody just gives money to a slush pot for people to spend on hot rods and lap dances or whatever.

Such a plan if needed will be way later. But I appreciate the thought.

Great to have friends.

JL

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1998854&msg=2006796#msg2006796

Note that this doesn't refer to any spring fundraiser that may or may not be organized by John's friends. Although the idea of contributing to lap dances for Largo has its attractions...
covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 8, 2012 - 07:00pm PT
I'm good for a hunsie but ONLY if it goes to lap dances!
jstan

climber
Dec 8, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
Note that this doesn't refer to any spring fundraiser that may or may not be organized by John's friends. Although the idea of contributing to lap dances for Largo has its attractions...

Being an eastern climber I have talked to John on only a few occasions over the last forty years. That said I can only opine that I would be very surprised were he willing to be a lapee.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Dec 8, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
Well...I'm still "in" on the moral support angle. I know what it's like to get all busted up in 5 milliseconds. The road to recovery lengthy and arduous. And...it gets worse...the older the bust-upee has become!
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
As Mighty said, Johns Friends are going to throw him a Party this Spring at Joshua Tree. . .df
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 9, 2012 - 12:40pm PT
throw him a Party this Spring at Joshua Tree.

Sounds good to us!

Susan and Ferretlegger
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 12:49pm PT

I just set it up to where I will have this spring to do as I please...

and what I please is to get my sorry ass back out that way...

So WHEN the gig happens, I will most likely get to attend...

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!...
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Dec 9, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
The fundraising link goes to the John Long Donations Fund in the name of Krista Goodsitt.

Curious, has there been any follow up on this?

Its legitimacy has been questioned here, and that's made me hesitant to use it. Things are a little murky.... Can someone say who the initiator of the donation site is...

Or this?
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 12:56pm PT

"Even I I don't get clarity,"...


Huh???...

LOL!!!...



EDITED:

A bit early to be drinking, isn't it???...

ROFL!!!...
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:05pm PT
The web fundraiser is some site called Chipin

And where is the link to the contact for who created this? Oh yeah, th...
And where is the link to the contact for who created this? Oh yeah, there isn't one.
Credit: stich

So, absolutely no information about who created this, how to get in touch with them, etc. Very shady. Anyone can essentially set up a Chip-in for any cause whatsoever it appears.

Stick with the fundraiser where you actually see people in the flesh for now.
jstan

climber
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
You might read Largo's post.

He said very clearly, "Thanks. But no thanks.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
This may not be of much help, and could just be a coincidence. There is an actress named Krista Goodsitt, FWIW. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0329359/
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:23pm PT
I posted some of what we are discussing over on MP.com. They posted a link to that web Chipin thing there, too.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:30pm PT


"Locker can u do something useful besides stirring the pot."...


You sure are one high strung MoFo...

Can't take much of a JOKE either...

I wasn't "Stirring the pot"...

JUST fuking with you...

Burn one or something...

Good lord man!!!...
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
I will not donate to that site either, but will donate if there is a get together this spring.

stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
I checked rockclimbing.com to see if the Chipin was there, but it doesn't appear to be. I sent Peter Stokes a message about the link he posted on MP.com to see where he got it from.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
Everbody just chillout, Locker already is, so everybody else. . .I have no idea about the chipin link, it doesn't come from me. So, instead of a funraiser let's just call it a Party for JL this Spring at JT.

So that said, I hope that this increases the, confusion. . .


Edit, I can't change the Title of the thread, and this one is getting, good. . .
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:51pm PT
There's no confusion really.

1. We have a legitimate event in the planning stages that has real people that can be seen in person taking your $$$.

2. We have a Chipin thing of undetermined origin that we are examining a little closer to see what's up.

[UPDATE] It's looking more and more legitimate. Got in touch with the person that created it. We should hear from Rick A in a bit it sounds like.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
Spoke to John last night. Was alert and in reasonable spirits, but will be in the hospital a while longer for more work on his leg.

No one should send any money to the mystery website unless John himself endorses the idea. The internet is full of scams and until we get proof of authenticity, it should be treated like an email from a Nigerian prince promising that you'll make a fortune if you just wire transfer to him a small sum.

I like the idea of a party, if for no other reason than to get the crew together and celebrate the beginning of John's recovery, and that we all have survived for another year.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 01:56pm PT



"This is a fund raiser site"...

By the way...

No the hell it isn't!!!...

It's a climbers forum/SITE...

;-)





POST SCRIPT:

"You might read Largo's post.

He said very clearly, "Thanks. But no thanks."
...


Perhaps NOT such a fundraiser afterall???...

But the idea of the PARTY is still a damned GOOD one!!!...

BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Dec 9, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
When Layton needed some help, I just wrote a couple of good checks straight to his name. No baloney with a middleman.

Now I have some Layton Kor autographs.

My knee surgery was a fairly complicated procedure, but it was only an arthroscopic followed by a single replacement and graft procedure. 3 days in the hospital and then I was home on a walker for a while. '

Total: 85 grand. Medicine is a racket. I have good insurance through my wife because I am self employed, so they covered almost all of it.

I noticed on the bills that half of it went away with the "provider write-off." That means that the insurance company only paid so much for each procedure and that the hospital wrote off half the costs for that sweet insurance.

I asked a doc friend about this, and if you are not insured, you won't get that provider write off and be stuck with the full 85 grand. No kidding. You fall and break your ankle now and you have to sell your house.

When the bills come due, I hope John realizes that in many ways he steers the climbing community to this day. So we all owe him for that.

I'm afraid that this will end up costing over 200 grand. For a broken ankle. No kidding. If any of us have the means to make a dent in that, just write a check here in a few months when the bills start coming in. No in kind gifts. Cash is much better.

I know he doesn't want it and didn't ask for it, but if he needs it we should consider it. Being a self employed writer is almost impossible to get decent insurance for.

Medical costs are so nuts in this country that even a guy like Largo could take a big hit over a broken ankle. It used to not be like this.

One good thing is that Largo may go through a huge spurt of writing to make some real coin. Being the best climbing writer out there will be a boon to climbers of all ages. Forever. Largo's writing will long outlive him.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:26pm PT


Riley...

I would like to look up the info on that type of injury too...

It isn't real clear to me yet...

I know he fell and broke his leg or ankle...

But the details seem to be a bit all over the map...

What exactly is the diagnosis???...

Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 9, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
Some positive vibes to the man and the best wishes for his recovery!

On the other side of the dam I have five of his books in my library. I hope he doesn't have to deal with this money-raising mess.
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
That's one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever written.

TFPU!
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:05pm PT
OK, in contact with Krista right now.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:11pm PT
ChipIn is just a widget gateway to paypal and whatever addy the set up person used at paypal.

My spidey sense says it is shady and that is why I was suspect way back on the first page. I hope it is on the up and up, but hey, being gullible is not one of my long suits.

Now if Bullwinkle or some other real dude had his name on it, then yeah, great and easy way to buff out the big man with some moolah. But so far I'm not seeing that.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Kristin Goodsitt is a "friend" of John's on his facebook page. Yes, he has 1,000s. :) Doesn't necessarily make it legit, but thought I'd toss that out there...
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 9, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
I'm thinking next time El Jefe Largo snaps out of his opiate induced haze, he at least says "yeah I know her and she's ok", or "WTF? ...Never heard of her".

That should clear it up.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 05:01pm PT
OK, I sent Krista a FB message asking for more information. Also contacted a few people who are also Facebook friends with her to see if they can vouch for her.

OK, John is having dinner with Krista tonight. This is her response.

"Krista Goodsitt

Hey there, John is aware of it he just didn't realize exactly what it was and how big it was going to get. I'm having dinner w him tonight and am going to explain it to him and see what he wants done with it. I will close it depending on his wishes. All the money donated is going straight to Largo, we decided to start it when we realized he is going to be in the hospital over a week.

His daughters also got emergency flights from out of the country, so the fund was set up to help with odds and ends and co pays and such. I have no problem posting all of the donated funds and the final check to John right now the funds are in a pay pal account that I set up. I totally understand that lots of chipins are fraudulent so any questions people have I will gladly answer. I hope this helps explain it. Did I answer all your questions?"

Fast response on this, which is great.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 06:41pm PT
I've been talking to Krista for hours now. I think you can relax a bit. Rick A might come by and say something.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 9, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
I've been talking to Krista for hours now.

I talked to a Nigerian once for 37 hours straight and still never saw my 80# of gold bars I was supposed to be getting for my $61.00. ;)

Hope it all works out and it was a good test run for the next ChipIn event.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 07:15pm PT
Ha ha ha. I know, I know.
jstan

climber
Dec 9, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
Who would have ever thought we would use the transistor to do this to ourselves?
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
Kristin Goodsitt is a "friend" of John's
yeah, and she is an fb friend of Bullwinkle, and Timmy O'Neill
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Dec 9, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
It's really a sad state of affairs for well-meaning individuals trying to help a friend, having to worry about some bottom fishing pond slime trying to make a shady buck! I've never met JL, but he's truly one I've admired for a long time. I also him a repayment in kindness for something he did for someone close to me. So...if there is a party...fundraiser...whateverthehellitis, count me in.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
I don't mean to imply anything good or bad with the use of the term "friend" upthread. I don't know her but I also did not want folks thinking she is a total mystery person up to no good either.



edit: Made lots of typo corrections. Typing on the droid without glasses on is not a good idea. :)
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:09pm PT
Blitzo, as an example, has like 2300 "friends" online including scads of hot chicks from unpronounceable Eastern Block hell-holes. Would I send them like a $100 to pass to a real friend of mine? No. Would I send them $5 for some pics? Probably yes. Does Blitzo actually know any of them? That would be no... so yeah, the whole "friend" thing is kinda funky in general.

To add... It is a shame, sort of, but maybe not that all this suspicion is on this well meaning gal, if that is what she is. But, this whole ChipIn widget is pretty sketch in itself. It is really just a false layer of legitimacy in front of a paypal account. Much like a blog post or even a web page, you can make it all flowery and heartfelt, with ZERO checks and balances as to authenticity. It is a glorified redirect to a paypal link. Let's say you hear of something happening to someone like Largo or Whitney Houston or Liberace, or some other luminary... within 5 minutes you can set up a page asking for money to buy flowers or lap dances or whatever and people will for sure start sending you money. You can pop in some pics, say you are family, say you are a cop or a fireman, and on and on. Read about some of the scams on Google. It is pretty widespread.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
If Stich says shes legitimate, my doubts are laid to rest.

But Stich, did your verification efforts really require hours on the telephone with this woman? You have gone above and beyond the call of duty, unless there might be another reason for your interest other than a thorough investigation? :)



stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:30pm PT
Rick, actually you were mentioned by her as someone who would look into this with Largo. Any chance you can do that?

And no, this wasn't on the phone. I can't even get a decent cell signal where I live. It was on Facebook messenger. I have been cooped up all day with my daughter with snow and cold keeping us from going outside much today.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
Stich-Just kidding,sincere thanks for the effort in vetting that solicitation and thanks to Krista as well for taking such quick action.

I would be happy to take the lead on the fundraising, if John approves.

John is going to need a lot of patience getting back on his feet and his friends will need it also. I know we all want to help right now, but let's let JL get out of the hospital and then he can tell us the best ways that we can help.

Rick
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
Rick, if you talk to John just ask him about Krista and if he knows what's going on. That's all that needs to be done. If she's OK, I'm sure she can handle the rest.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 9, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
Damn! I wonder what the odds are that it was the same Nigerian I sent $61.
Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 9, 2012 - 10:19pm PT
I think that Largo will be well enough for a Party and a Lap Dance this Spring, that's a great idea Fish. That's why you need to be in charge as Coz pointed out up thread. . .
covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 9, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
Let's all remember that laughter IS the best medicine ~
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 9, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
Craig (a.k.a. Nurse F) said:
My vote is for the Fish and Sus to take this whole circus over.


... as head cheese of the Sheep Buggerers wouldn't that honor best be yours?

In any case, whoever takes the helm: remember Maria offered upthread to handle any industry connections and is awaiting a response.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 9, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
If we eventually do have a party/fundraiser, you can make your checks payable to:

The Lap Dances for Largo Fund.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 9, 2012 - 11:31pm PT
Nurse F. & Juanita Largo keeping company at the last SheepBugger hoedown:

Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 9, 2012 - 11:48pm PT
Bolton and Bearamiah are left to wonder at NurseF's nomination:
What? We are going let the FISH organize this shindig?


Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:04am PT
It's the other Russell that should be running the gig.... I'm a busy man.

What the hell is soooo funny??  Ho-maaaaahn!
What the hell is soooo funny?? Ho-maaaaahn!
Credit: Blitzo
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:36am PT
No fair volunteering other people!
covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:41am PT
I have been known to throw a 'good' party. just sayin...
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:49am PT
THE UNOFFICIAL LargoFundraiser Team Roster:





FISH as master of ceremonies:





Or Perhaps treasurer:







Then, we got a make sure Largo ACTUALLY SHOWS,
... so THE BIRD will be there to keep an eye on him:






The NayGriss and Homo Joe will handle crowd control:









BVB and SWILLIAM can-do refreshments:









WATUSI in charge of food service:







Yearian will kick down copious bowls full of BUNK WEED:






E & CRIMPIE should have no problem covering hair and makeup:










Hank can be in charge of cuteness:
(..... and/or pornography)



Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:18am PT
If Dr. F is doing a lapdance for Largo, or unnatural acts with ungulates, count me out.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:22am PT
Spoke to John and Krista tonight. Krista is not a scammer, she is a friend of John and she was kind enough to take immediate steps to help him. She deserves our thanks.

Krista wanted me to assure everyone that the money collected by her will go to JL as intended, for purposes such as defraying his kids' travel expenses to be with him in the hospital. Not a penny for lap dances, either, much as that might cheer him up.

But John says we should hold off on further fundraising until he gives us the word. Once he is out of the hospital, he can direct us to the best way we can all help him. He thanks everyone for their support and offers of help.

Rick




Bullwinkle

Boulder climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 01:26am PT
I agree with that mighty. I fact I feel that the sheep people don't really know how to throw a good party anyway. The Stone Masters do know how to Party, so we shall take care of the planning. The Theme shall be Lap Dances for Largo. . . Oh covelocos, lets talk.


Edit, Rick does this mean we'll need to start a separate Lap Dance for Largo fund?
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:29am PT
Tarbuster's party roster is hilarious! Party on, stonemasters!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:40am PT
JoLo sez:

Skip the fundraiser for now you knuckleheads!
Meanwhile ... somebody FIRE ME A BURGER


(photo by the Uplander)
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:12am PT
This is the real Krista Goodsitt and though I am not a Nigerian whore or a two bit actress, I tried to help a friend. I believe it is fine to ask for the legitimacy of something like chipin, but a far more selfish deed to call someone names and attack their character without a shred of evidence. It has been challenging to understand Johns needs at this time and I hoped we could help with immediate needs. He did not simply break his ankle and I don't know what math geniuses are on this forum, but it's more than 187k. I will refund everything tomorrow. I hope people will still help in the future if that needs to be. Good job everyone! P.S. crimpgirl any time any where...
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:45am PT
Epic!!!
Chris Roderick

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:16am PT
No good deed goes unpunished..
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:18am PT
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:12am PT
This is the real Krista Goodsitt and though I am not a Nigerian whore or a two bit actress, I tried to help a friend. I believe it is fine to ask for the legitimacy of something like chipin, but a far more selfish deed to call someone names and attack their character without a shred of evidence. It has been challenging to understand Johns needs at this time and I hoped we could help with immediate needs. He did not simply break his ankle and I don't know what math geniuses are on this forum, but it's more than 187k. I will refund everything tomorrow. I hope people will still help in the future if that needs to be. Good job everyone! P.S. crimpgirl any time any where...

Lighten up. This wouldn't be the first time someone came out of the woodwork to take it upon themselves to solicit funds for a climbing legend, and in this case it turns out the recipient wasn't consulted prior:

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1998854&msg=2006796#msg2006796

Sorry, but that Chipin thing looked EXTREMELY shady, and Russ hit the nail on the head with his posts.

Speaking of Tim Greene, the memory of that debacle lingers many years later, with its rather interesting turn of events, and it turned out that Tim Greene seemed to have a string of bad luck that usually resulted in people sending him money. Gotta love the generosity of people quick to help out without questioning anything and assuming everything is on the up and up...

I don't see where anyone called you names or attacked your character. Frankly, it would be insanity to send money through some website put up by a total stranger, even if there WAS any contact info on the page. Sorry you were so offended.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:34am PT
I think returning the money is the right thing here. It can be given to JL another time. The digital age made all of this too easy. Much of this should never have happened without at least a shred more effort in planning and talking to people - certainly the man deserves that, so does someone wanting and willing to give more than lunch money to the cause.
oldtopangalizard

Social climber
ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:47am PT
Waiting for a Cosmic or Locker photoshopped Crimpie/Krista throwdown.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:10am PT
P.S. crimpgirl any time any where...

Indeed! No good deed goes unpunished. A recap:

A crowd starts gathering with pitchforks about this unknown possible evil entity and I mention that she is not an unknown, but rather a "Friend" of Largo's (facebook friends come in all shapes - real friend, acquaintances, relatives - especially for him given his celebrity). And for this I get the "any time any where"?

I certainly did not call you a two-bit actress or a whore or anything awful nor were those my feelings. I don't see you threatening those who did that. What a piece of work you are!

But if you want to tangle with me, no problem.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:13am PT
My money's on Callie.

Should I set up a Chipin page for the bets?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:05am PT
Heh, usually Riley's right on the ol' dogpile, now he's all Mr. Tender'n'sh#t....

Love it.

Ya gotta have thick skin around here.

Crimpie in the third.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:36am PT


"Much of this should never have happened without at least a shred more effort in planning and talking to people - certainly the man deserves that, so does someone wanting and willing to give more than lunch money to the cause."...



So many REACTED before THINKING and with your above post, you're for sure on to something there...





EDITED:

"Waiting for a Cosmic or Locker photoshopped Crimpie/Krista throwdown."...


For me personally to do any manipulating on this thread, would no doubt once more get coz back giving me crap...

Let Cosmic have it!!!...

LOL!!!...
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:30am PT
But if you want to tangle with me, no problem

Venue: Las Vegas
Supertopians bet on who will win.
Winner gives the money to Largo
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:51am PT
Krista is clearly just wanting to help, but she's a bit sensitive and apparently doesn't understand the supertopo crowd.

I saw nothing offensive in what Crimpie said, why single her out?
She put "friend" in quotations and Krista read too much into that.

I mean there are people throwing around the Bachar rip off and "gullibility".

Crimpie said nothing offensive at all in my mind.

Krista, come back! Or I'm going Crimpie in the second........
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
There is talk of a "Spring Cleanup" at Joshua Tree, along the lines of the FaceLift. Perhaps any fundraiser for John could be coordinated with it? It'd be all the more reason to make the trip - help out with the cleanup etc during the day(s), attend the fundraiser one evening, and perhaps other entertainment on other night(s).
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
Hey guys sorry for my rant. I was hit with all of this yesterday and I just needed some time to talk with everyone involved. The chipin was the brain child of a few of Johns friends and I have been left to deal with it and deal with my life right now too. I am not angry about people joking around I'm just frustrated that I couldn't get a second to explain myself. I received many angry emails from contributers threatening fraud charges. All I'm saying is that in this social media age people expect things at the click of a mouse and sometimes it takes a little more time. Again this was only set up for immediate expenses John has incurred. I always expected someone would set up a bigger fundraiser at a later time.

Crimpgirl I'm just busting your balls calm down...
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:45pm PT
This thread is a testimony to the best and worst human instincts, the worst ones exacerbated by the casual and mindless insensitivity that seems to characterize much internet discourse. It isn't turning into what I would call one of our finest hours.

I think Krista deserves both thanks and some apologies. If she is listening, I don't think she should refund the donations already made, contributions made by people of good heart and good intentions who sincerely wanted to help a fallen comrade and mentor.

The Torah says, "do not stand idly by while your neighbor bleeds." It does not say, hey, better check with your neighbor about whether he wants help or not. I'd say the perception that our friend Largo could use a bit of help is accurate. Of course he doesn't want to ask for it and feels he doesn't need it---maybe he really doesn't, I certainly don't know anything about the state of his finances. But I see all that as rather beside the point. You do your best, within your own abilities, to help people who need help. It isn't in response to a request, it is part of striving to be a decent human being, a struggle we see being lost on a daily basis on the internet, but which goes on anyway.

If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need. Or whatever. What counts for the community is making the gesture, something that has begun to happen. Krista, don't let the worst instincts and behavior of the group overwhelm the best.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
That's a bitchin' post Mr. Goldstones, sp intended!
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:53pm PT

The Torah says, "do not stand idly by while your neighbor bleeds." It does not say, hey, better check with your neighbor about whether he wants help or not. I'd say the perception that our friend Largo could use a bit of help is accurate. Of course he doesn't want to ask for it and feels he doesn't need it---maybe he really doesn't, I certainly don't know anything about the state of his finances. But I see all that as rather beside the point. You do your best, within your own abilities, to help people who need help. It isn't in response to a request, it is part of striving to be a decent human being, a struggle we see being lost on a daily basis on the internet, but which goes on anyway.

If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need. Or whatever. What counts for the community is making the gesture, something that has begun to happen.

rgold, well said.......Thanks.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
So, if I understand this correctly, we are setting up an octagon at the Coz house for a three round MMA match between Krista and Crimpie with Bird as the ref.
Russ is gonna hold the bets and give the house cut to Largo so that when the cast comes off he can get lap dancing lessons from a Nigerian actress?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:02pm PT
So, if I understand this correctly, we are setting up an octagon at the Coz house for a three round MMA match between Krista and Crimpie with Bird as the ref.
Russ is gonna hold the bets and give the house cut to Largo so that when the cast comes off he can get lap dancing lessons from a Nigerian actress?

Not correct. Russ nominated Bill Russell to hold the money and pour the beer. Otherwise, spot on Ron.
JLP

Social climber
The internet
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need.
I disagree. If I gave x amount of money to help defray medical expenses, that is what I would like to see happen with the money - not to some charity I can choose on my own, not to fly family around the globe.

The premise was the fund is for medical expenses. If someone would like to set up a fund for something else, then that should be stated clearly and openly up front.

The money should be returned.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Not correct. Russ nominated Bill Russell to hold the money and pour the beer. Otherwise, spot on Ron.


Oh phuk, all is lost, LOST I TELL YOU!!!
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
How about a lap dance off???
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
Still trying to work out a role for Ron (Toker Villain). Security, maybe? Or would that just scare people away? Maybe we could have a sushifest also, and Ron could help with that?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
How about a lap dance off???


Oh hell YEAH, now you're TALKIN'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:33pm PT
JLP wrote: I disagree. If I gave x amount of money to help defray medical expenses, that is what I would like to see happen with the money - not to some charity I can choose on my own, not to fly family around the globe.


I bet you didn't send a penny...so STFU with your negative bullshit and go somewhere else with your bad Juju.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:37pm PT

"I bet you didn't send a penny...so STFU"...

LOL!!!...



EDITED:

Sorry but that one got me cracking up good just now...

WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:40pm PT
Now that the paypal account on chpin is confirmed legit why not leave it up and we can donate?

I was going to donate and then suddenly all these doubts surfaced here so I waited.

Regardless of what Largo is implying he doesn't need it, I bet anything he'll need it for sure.

This will be a huge expense unless his insurance will cover all of it?

Will it?
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
+++100... for the lap dance-off.
rgold

Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
I'm with Werner. It made sense to be cautious until the nature of the account was clarified, which it has been. As far as I can tell, the account is still up, and as of Monday afternoon has a bit more than $2900 raised from 66 contributors. I hope Krista keeps it that way, as I said above.

My personal plan is to make several modest donations between now and the fund expiration date of January 31st, since I can't come up with much all at once right now. As for what Largo does with the money, I consider that his business, not mine.

If it helps him to gather his family around him, for example, that's cool. If lap dances turn out to have therapeutic effects, either real or placebic, then that's cool too, although in the latter case an article---in the style only Largo can manage---in the Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation might be called for.

After my ACL reconstruction surgery last January, my insurance paid for three months of rehab. I'm now in month 10 and still doing rehab exercises, but of course without all the specialized equipment available from professional rehab places. So the last seven months I've been on my own, since I couldn't manage to keep paying for the service. (Mind you, I paid a deductible for every session while insurance was in force.) This hasn't been optimal (a pro athlete with the same injuries gets a year of rehab on a daily basis), but it has been ok.

John will almost certainly need far more rehab than I did for a relatively minor arthroscopic procedure that didn't even involve staying in the hospital overnight. How much he is able to do, and so the level of recovery he achieves, will be partially determined by what he can pay for after insurance for rehab is out of the picture. It is easy to say, as I did, that I've got this and can do it myself, but I can guarantee you that if more funds had been available, I'd still be going to rehab and maybe I'd be able to run and jump rope now, which I still can't do without pain developing pretty quickly.

My point with this example is, as my mother-in-law used to say, "rich or poor, it's good to have money." It affects your decisions and your health, even as you pride yourself on making your own way. Kicking in a little for John is, in my view, a gesture of decency and support whether or not he thinks it necessary as he lies in his hospital bed without having seen even a single bill yet, because "necessary" or not, the extra cash might still make a difference in the quality of his recovery.
looking sketchy there...

Social climber
Latitute 33
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:36pm PT
As for what Largo does with the money, I consider that his business, not mine.

It with that idea that my wife and I donated. We completely concur with what RGold has written.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:37pm PT
Rgold said -
I'm with Werner...

...the extra cash might still make a difference in the quality of his recovery.

I started to write something similar, but then decided what Rgold wrote does a better job communication my thoughts better than I ever could. I agree with everything in his post 100%.

I have never met John. However, through his climbing books, he has helped to educate me about climbing and improve my technical competence. His other writing has brought me hours of joy. Giving something back to someone who has done so much for me is a no brainer.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
My personal plan is to make several modest donations between now and the fund expiration date of January 31st, since I can't come up with much all at once right now. As for what Largo does with the money, I consider that his business, not mine.

Amen, to that.

John
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:11pm PT
How about a lap dance off???

are you offering Krista? ;-p

seriously though Krista, I think if you had explained yourself in the beginning, you would not have received any grief
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 10, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
How about a combo lap and reindeer dance? Dress warmly.


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Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
I see a lot of talk about donating money to the chipin for John. Now that you all have figured out it"s legitimate put your wallet where your keyboard its. Its been stuck at $2915 all day. This is and was only meant as a stop gap measure to help out until something more could be organized. Help the man who helped a lot of us along the way.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 10, 2012 - 04:45pm PT
Ms. Goodsitt: I will refund everything tomorrow.

Newguy:
I see a lot of talk about donating money to the chipin for John. Now that you all have figured out it"s legitimate put your wallet where your keyboard its. Its been stuck at $2915 all day.

Why would anyone choose to donate now, when a refund salvo is supposedly the works? It might be time to pull the curtains on this whole ChipIn event in favor of something less clusterf*#kish in the future.
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:07pm PT
Anyone who contributed and wishes a refund please e-mail me. For those of you wishing to donate I will make sure it gets to John and post proof that it has.
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:28pm PT
Russ, the future is now. Waiting for something better to come along dose nothing to help in the short term.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:45pm PT
Chris Wilson: Russ, the future is now. Waiting for something better to come along dose nothing to help in the short term.

Umm... not according to Long, in his own words:
Largo Dec 8, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
Any "fund" was done without my knowledge and while no doubt well-intended is not the way to go. Nobody just gives money to a slush pot for people to spend on hot rods and lap dances or whatever.
Such a plan if needed will be way later. But I appreciate the thought.

I don't want to go off on a rant here, because I actually think you guys are trying to do a good thing. But.... This whole deal has been f*#ked up from the get go. And you now show up with your first post begging for more wallet action. Who exactly are you speaking for? Largo? He said to hold off. You guys should shitcan this circus, and either refund in totality to those that have given, or hand the wad to John and back away from these forums. Yer not cut our for it, and nobody here knows you. Put a can out in the gym or go all Facebook wacky and raise all you want swimming in waters known to you if that is what you want to do. If ChipIn or anything similar is going to work on this type of Forum (SuperTopo, Mountain Project, etc) , someone who is familiar to most other forum members and obviously associated with Largo will have a much better result spearheading the fundraising. And that is IF Largo is into such a thing. The last I read is he is NOT, yet your efforts are continuing.

Hey.. this is getting sorta rant worthy... anyway, good on you guys for trying to help, but it might be time to just stop IMO.
Gene

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 05:47pm PT
Russ,

Too factual to be a rant and well said.

g
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
After speaking with JL I am leaving the chipin up for now. I decided to listen to the majority and not the couple lone wackadoos. Russ no one spearheads their own fundraiser from their hospital bed. It's also super rude to tell someone they are not cut out for this forum. The chipin was fine until all the rants started that is why I tried to keep it off these sites and focus on Johns close friends. Again this is for immediate costs and hopefully is just the tip of the ice berg. I spoke with John today and he is very appreciative of everyones contributions. I was at the hospital while he had the first emergency surgery as was Chris Wilson. We saw our friend in need and took action. Today he had a procedure to map all of the veins in his leg because unfortunately he is going to require a skin graft to cover the open wound in his leg. For those of you who personally know John then you know he does not have a disposable income. He has two daughters that he has put through college including graduate school and struggles to make ends meet just like the rest of us. So that being said if you wish to donate please do so if not I ask that you respect our effort and see the bigger picture. All of this really can't be good for the healing process. In retrospect there are things I would of done differently, but this is where we are at now.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
After speaking with JL I am leaving the chipin up for now. I decided to listen to the majority and not the couple lone wackadoos. Russ no one spearheads their own fundraiser from their hospital bed. It's also super rude to tell someone they are not cut out for this forum.

Krista, I did not say he would spearhead his own fundraiser. Read closer.

As for rudeness, TFB. I don't know you and your initial posts on this forum were meltdown material. I think you even called out a longtime poster for a catfight. I stand by my posts and my thoughts on YOUR fundraiser. I can tell already we ain't gonna get along, so I'll leave it at that.
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:34pm PT
Sorry Russ I didn't realize I had to be somebody who Is "known" on this forum to try and make a difference in a friends life. I'll just go burry my head in the sand and be a good little bitch so all you big shots can talk about doing something.

There's my rant!
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:36pm PT
Chris Wilson: Sorry Russ I didn't realize I had to be somebody who Is "known" on this forum to try and make a difference in a friends life. I'll just go burry my head in the sand and be a good little bitch so all you big shots can talk about doing something.

There's my rant!

This assures your little bitch status. Thank you.
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
I agree Russ. I should have directed my first post at you and not crimpgirl. You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it... I went back and read her posts so accept my apologies please.
WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
Fuk this sh!t .... :-)

I just sent some money to the chipin.

take some out to buy Russ a beer and Largo will need some smokes even though he quit, ... this sh!t will make him start up again .....

:-)

Gene

climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
We sure are doing a great job honoring John's needs and wishes.
Thanks all,

g
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:47pm PT
Wow Russ you must really get off on being pain to people trying to help. This is why we didn't post here. Too many nay sayers. Enjoy your life and be well.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
This looks like a good chance for Apogee or one of the other chronic RIP crowd to post a RIP John Long fundraiser thread...
vininja

Social climber
NJ
Dec 10, 2012 - 06:58pm PT
https://www.facebook.com/RockreationLA

Dear fellow climbers. John Long requested that we make a brief statement regarding his accident that occurred on 11/29/12 at approximately 8:30pm. John wanted us to confirm that he fell due to an unfinished knot, and suffered a compound fracture to the lower left leg. The rest of the details of the accident are Johns to tell.

Here is a direct quote from John, Thank you to the Rockreation staff
and members for keeping it together and not panicking in the face of a very scary situation. I consider it my best moment when I saw the gravity of the situation and was somehow able to keep it together and receive the support of the Rockreation Staff.


https://www.facebook.com/RockreationLA
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
Fuk this sh!t .... :-)

I just sent some money to the chipin.

take some out to buy Russ a beer and Largo will need some smokes even though he quit, ... this sh!t will make him start up again .....

:-)


hoh man, lol!!
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:07pm PT
Krista...good job on trying to help. No good deed goes unpunished.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
Point one: I've been on the NET since the UNIX days, just us bitheads then. Around 20 years ago this thing started called AOL, and well yeah, American came online. Been like this thread ever since.

Point two: Consequently, everything you do online, and especially a fundraiser or similar, has to be approached, planned, and handled carefully. Or it will lose its intent and potential.

Point three: Everyone I know loves John Long, a bigger than life character, our own John Wayne, but funnier. :) Clearly a working guy, clearly hurt, clearly we want to help him. But, if some thought could go into not embarrassing him in the process that would be most considerate on our parts.

As has been said since the www was burgeoning, "please read back over your post, and think for a minute, before you hit "send."

Oftentimes it's fun to write a big flame and then just delete it rather than post it. Let's off some steam, but then doesn't lead to a bunch of wasted messages.
I'm Rick James, Bitch

Social climber
Up in it and down on it
Dec 10, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
Damn momma, those LA Gym Climbers sure are uppity! And I should know CIRJB!!!69+
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:18pm PT
Ah, geeze, glad I haven't petitioned for help from any of the hen pecking whackadoos here! Buhjeebuh buhChrist!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
So who is going to hold the money if Russ and Chris are on the under-card?
(My money is on Russ bitch slapping Chris.)

Dontcha love it when Taco noobs show up without reading the topo first and have nothing but a rack of draws?
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
I might be a noob to this forum but, i can trade bitch slaps all day long. Maybe Russ and I could raise a dollar per slap but, somebody else will have to hold the money to give to John. Now enough of this high school behavior and lets get on with helping our friend Largo.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:01pm PT
Hey Chris, yer gonna die!




(who's got the Tom Jones pic?)
Hankster

Social climber
Golden, CO
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:03pm PT
"clutching my pearls"
OMG!!!
WTF is going on here
can't we just all get along
and agree that's it's all good

tell me were to be, and when, and I will bring the cash

God help me, I fully agree with you Dr F!
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:12pm PT
Toker, Im' hoping you mean that Russ just hits hard.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:21pm PT
It's heartwarming to see the supertopo family rally around Largo so cohesively.

I'm sure when John reads this thread he'll be stoked and filled with our love!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 10, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
It's nice to see things getting a bit ironed out!
I'm not being facetious with that.
We don't really have steerage yet, but we have an interim fund going.

Ricky said he would organize the spring party (fundraiser portion).
Maria is our industry connection if we want one.

Now we all know something more about the accident and some details about John's current progress.

[EDIT] Interim Fund Here:
http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long
Pąte

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
Heal up quick, John.

FAKE Pąte.

covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 11, 2012 - 12:03am PT
Tom Jones is RAD! Maybe HE'LL play for the JLFR!
Forest

Trad climber
Lafayette, CO
Dec 11, 2012 - 12:51am PT
If the chipin thing is no longer valid, then the link should be taken down. I just donated to it *before* reading to the end of this thread. So.. what's the deal?
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 11, 2012 - 01:26am PT
Hey Forest, I just refunded your money. The chipin is still active for those wishing to donate. John knows about the fund and has endorsed it on Rock and Ice. Sorry for the confusion.
Forest

Trad climber
Lafayette, CO
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:17am PT
Thank you, Krista. Could you post a link to the R&I bit? I'll redonate (and post it to my FB.)
bonin_in_the_boneyard

Trad climber
Oak Land, California
Dec 11, 2012 - 09:04am PT
I'm in for $25. Least I can do after all the joy (and safety!) his work has given me.

Heal up quick, Largo!

WBraun

climber
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:26am PT
Send some money people ... John will need it.

I sent some.

The chipin is legit, I saw it from the periscope in my submarine ......

ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:34am PT
Hey Dean....jsut read the first post you put up, noticed my name. Fer sure I'll be all in to help out, just give me the word and I'll start the wheels movin'. Timing may be a bit tricky on my end, I might be back in Colorado Springs for a spell end of April, beginning of May. Either Way I can do whatever needs to be done. We'll talk.
Peace
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 11, 2012 - 11:56am PT
http://www.rockandice.com/news/2383-john-long-injured-in-groundfall
Forest

Trad climber
Lafayette, CO
Dec 11, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
Thanks! I have redonated and posting to my FB now. Krista, thanks again, I know this hasn't been the most pleasant experience for you.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 11, 2012 - 01:38pm PT
The chipin is legit, I saw it from the periscope in my submarine ......

Another one for the quotes of supertopo thread!

You're on fire today people!!!
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 11, 2012 - 01:52pm PT
Thanks Forest, and thank you for your donation. I defiantly could have done things a little differently and wish I would have. It was the best I could do at the time. I understand that people have been scammed before so it makes sense that you make sure your money is going where you intend it to go. My intention was to give John a little cushion for when he is released from the hospital so he can concentrate on his rehab and not be so overwhelmed with the bills and such that have racked up. So thanks everyone for your contributions and thanks to everyone for keeping it on the up and up so that we make sure these funds in the future are well intended. I will keep the chipin up until John decides to end it. I look forward to a huge party in the future that John can participate in and enjoy with the community that has shown lots of love in their own way, you guys are awesome!
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
I defiantly could have done things a little differently

You definitely were a bit defiant. ;-)

Cheers for taking the initiative to help, and for weathering the Supertopo Storm (which was actually pretty tame, IMKSHO).

I'm glad you understand the initial skepticism - the Bachar fiasco was (and still is) completely unconscionable,
and there were even a bunch of people who repeatedly chimed in vouching for Tim Greene.

Now let's all have a big group hug.
steve west

Trad climber
Newport Beach
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
Dean if it helps make it a Sm reunion. with largo and you and gramicci we can coax Rob Muir out of his cave and a few others. Randy V ??

I have put this on my budjet for Rab, Lowe Alpine,and Stonemaster Clothing.. ok all you other ":industry" folks pony up !!
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:22pm PT
So I posted a link to the chipin for John on Rockreations Facebook page after they posted John's thank you to them. The link has now been removed. Whats up with that? Why wouldn't they want to help out?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:32pm PT
They do it for John, they'd have to do it for every climber that got an oweeee and cried "help". They could also perceive some liability issues that reinforces the fact John got hurt badly there.
Just my thoughts,

Susan
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Phuk gyms. I mean that in the nicest way.
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 11, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
done
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
I understand the liability aspect but, if it isn't a fund that they started then really whats the big deal?
couchmaster

climber
pdx
Dec 11, 2012 - 04:27pm PT
http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long

At $3700 now.
newmexico

Social climber
Inside my head
Dec 11, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
Friends,

I am Jeff Leads athlete manager for prAna. Please count us in, to donate products from prana, however the group see fit. In addition the Winter Trade Show is next month and I'll be attending as usual. If there is any interest in doing something there for John, I would be more than happy to co-ordinate or be a point of contact for any help there. Hell, I would even go around and ask for donations or products, or...

just trying to help a friend in need.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Dec 11, 2012 - 04:37pm PT
Dean, can I get a recap on what is needed to get this fund rasier up and going? I'm a bit lost in the BS. I am available to help with whatever is needed, anytime.
Thanks, TY
LG2

Sport climber
Boulder, CO
Dec 11, 2012 - 04:56pm PT
Hello all, I represent Adidas Outdoor in the Rockies and we want to donate some product to raffle off for the JL fundraiser. Who is my contact and please get a hold of me.

Loren Gwartney-Gibbs
541-953-2831
HME

climber
Los Angeles
Dec 11, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
Hey Chris...
The link was deleted from Rockreation's Facebook page per John's request. He specifically stated to management at Rockreation that he would let us know when he wanted our help and participation in a fundraising effort for him. Out of respect for his wishes we said that we would not begin any fundraising plans until further notice by him nor endorse any others without his consent. I will speak with him directly about your particular fundraising effort and ask if he wishes to have it posted on our Facebook page.
Thank you.
HME
Chris Wilson

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Dec 11, 2012 - 06:11pm PT
HME,
Cool beans. Just trying to let everyone know about the fund and figured that those that visit your page, meaning Rockreation, would like to know about it. I'm sure John would give you the ok next time you talk to him.

Cheers.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
TYeary,

There is no event framework or punch list at the moment.
I recommend getting in touch with Ron Gomez and start roughing one out.
He knows what to do in general and you can start figuring out where you might want to fit in.

For starters you have Jeff Leeds and Adidas just a few posts up to respond to. I'd recommend getting together with Maria and Ron Gomez for a conference call and see if she can just start right in with those industry folks. She'll want to talk with Ricky to get a sense of how he thinks the benefit ought to go and what kind of industry help is most desired.

Just a suggestion!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 11, 2012 - 08:47pm PT


[EDIT] Largopalooza = working title only: just something I came up with to amuse myself.
covelocos

Trad climber
Nor Cal
Dec 11, 2012 - 09:40pm PT
Looks AWESOME! Can't wait!
the kid

Trad climber
fayetteville, wv
Dec 11, 2012 - 09:42pm PT
post the date soon so i can see if i can make it.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 12, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
I just spoke with Ron Gomez.
Through the weekend he is going to get in touch with Dean, Ricky, Maria and Tony to sort this thing out for proper a kickoff.

Stay tuned.
Roy
Fletcher

Trad climber
The rock doesn't care what I think
Dec 12, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Largopalooza... that made my morning!

I took my weekly lotto money and gave it to the fund... odds are it will bear more fruit that way!

Eric
x15x15

climber
Dec 12, 2012 - 01:29pm PT
^^^^^^^ yup, it put a big smile on my ugly mug...
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 12, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
As a reminder: the ChipIn fund is temporary and is currently slated to close January 30.
http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long

I see $3,422 listed as the total through December 3 (last night couchmaster said it was at $3700, so unless someone got a refund, the tool isn't updating through that link).
Krista?

[EDIT] yes of course refreshing: refreshing the page doesn't always change it and the date timeline remains December 3. That thing is clunky. But it's collecting money so that's great, thanks!
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 13, 2012 - 03:13am PT
The fund is around $4300 tonight. Sometimes you just need to refresh the chipin widgit. Thanks again for all of your donations, I'm going to get a check to JL tomorrow.

Sorry about the widget it works on my end, but will be closed tonight. Thanks for the donations.
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:03am PT
To all my friends:

Hi everyone. Sorry to have lagged on responding but I'm still having procedures done and that is taking all of my time and energy. Should be done soon.

As you might know, when I was still out of it entirely, my friends Krista and Chris set up a fund and while their intentions are strictly honorable, some confusion arose from those who I work with who know that I am NOT in a financial crisis at this time. Perhaps that time will come - I've worked and saved for years but this is likely a near million dollar injury cha cha cha.

Anyway, because this is quickly turning into a situation that is over my head, impossible to orchestrate from this bed, my original climbing and high school friend Eric (Ricky) Accomazzo (my attorney) is from now on handling all affairs related to funraisers, me, etc. Rick Accomazzo is not only a much celebrated climber, but also trusted person in the outdoor industry and long-time advocate of the ACCESS FUND. Krista and Rick have talked so the transition to Rick having power of attorney over my affairs is now a plain fact understood by all.

That much said, I very much appreciate what Krista and Chris did while I was in surgery and the many kind responses. But this is a complicated business and I am glad to have my childhood friend and original Stonemaster Rock Accomazzo now in charge.

Sincerely,

John Long
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:18am PT
Thanks for the update John!
Hang tuff through your procedures and heal up soon.

Ricky,
Is a Josh event still in the mix for this spring?

Tad

eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:21am PT
Long. . . thanks a million for postin' up!

BIG SKY MAGIC TO YOU!

oxox

Kath
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 13, 2012 - 10:49am PT
Good to hear from you John.
ChipIn at $4,347 this morning.

When going Largo, always go for the genuine article: accept no substitutions!!!



[Working event title only, just for fun until Rick shapes this thing up]
http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long
10b4me

Boulder climber
Somewhere on 395
Dec 13, 2012 - 11:33am PT
John, thanks for clearing it up, and thanks to Krista also.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
Yeah, sorry to hear that it is such a serious injury.

The Taco's own "Buster" is a top flight orthopod, a scottish climber from way back who knew all the old crowd.
Say the word and I'm confidant that you can get a valuable consult, John.
Sounds like the fund is only going to be small help, but that things are under control. Good for that.





(but I still think Crimpie would have gotten Krista to tap out in the second)
Mees

climber
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
well hope you get my donation via chipin anyway.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 13, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
We haven't seen any pix of Krista. She might be MMA rad all the way.

I just wanna see who taps out in the lap dance off!
(I look forward to it being me.) But how can I be an impartial judge unless I'm subjected to both of them? But based on the only available information at this point, It's gonna be hard to beat Crimper.

Hang in there John, you've got a big team behind you.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
Radish

Trad climber
SeKi, California
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:36pm PT
We have a guy on our fire crew....59 years old. Last May, while on a fire, he put his boot between two big branches a fell, snapping his ankle at a 90* angle. It looked bad and you know, when you get to be our age its just going to be a longer recovery. Well, he was in pretty good shape before and by last month he was walking without his walking sticks and moving along better than ever............So, hang in there John!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 13, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
I've done aid climbs after limping up the approach with a crutch.

Largo should do a route on the big stone and use the Americans with Disabilities Act to demand a BASE permit to allow descent for a handicapped person.
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 13, 2012 - 04:11pm PT


Credit: locker
...


Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 14, 2012 - 09:27am PT
http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long
Now at $4,417

Hey John,
Any news on a tentative discharge date?
(Much longer and you'll need to file a change af address, yo)
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 14, 2012 - 11:41am PT
Update: I'm not sure of a discharge date, but he is scheduled for surgery this morning to remove the outer rods and such and place interior plates and pins in. Not sure if the they are doing the skin graft to close the wound or not. I'm gonna be there later and I'll try to get some more info for you all. Send some good vibes!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 14, 2012 - 11:57am PT
Toker Villian
I don't think Largo qualifies as I could for medical malpractice
administrative hearing mistakes. However I won't take from that
for that.

NoTokeRedKneck,
great second taco post! Better leave the writing to Largo,...





Krista,
thanks for the update, glad you are dialed in to the ST culture now.
We're all pulling for John.
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:08pm PT
Yes, thanks much Krista.
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
They were waiting for the swelling to go down thats why it's been a while, and getting prepped for the graft. I know it's a long time for ortho, but hopefully they're gonna get it right the first time.
bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
As a survivor of several major surgeries -- including having my chest cracked wide open not once, but three times -- I believe it is preferable that the surgeons take their time. The only thing that has ever made me itchy for a quick exit from the hospital was the really bad food at the UCSD medical center.
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
Spoke to John this morning. Here is what is happening:

John is having surgery today, apparently the last one. The leg appears to be healing properly and he is looking forward to getting out of the hospital in a week or so.

I am going to sit down with John after he gets out of the hospital and evaluate with him the need for future fundraising efforts. If there is a need and John wants us to go ahead, we will then make plans for a coordinated and robust fundraiser. We will announce it on this thread and start a new one at that time.

John wanted to thank Krista again for the "chip in" fundraising effort. She is going to deliver proceeds to him today. These funds will be used to defray the costs of his daughter's travel expenses and for other incidentals during his hospital stay. As of today, John wants the interim, "chip in' fundraising effort shut down.

To all those who have contributed money, offered thoughts and prayers, and suggested ideas for fundraising, John thanks you. To all who want to help John, please hold those thoughts until we evaluate the need and then announce a fundraising goal to fill that need.

The outpouring of good will from this community is palpable and heart warming. John is very moved by this and appreciates it greatly.

Rick Accomazzo


survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
Thanks for the update Rick. Sorry you have to compete with the Conn. tradgedy.


Ok, I've seen a picture of Krista finally!

Better start warming up stretching out and practicing Crimpie!!


The Lap Dance Standoff In The Desert: Dehydration Starts Here!
A Don King Production.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
Thanks for the update.

Another week in hospital - yow!
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 14, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
I'm down! Survival and Russ are gonna tap out first. I will charge a penalty for under 60 seconds though. Build up your stamina boys!
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 14, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Rick A said:
I am going to sit down with John after he gets out of the hospital and evaluate with him the need for future fundraising efforts.
If there is a need and John wants us to go ahead, we will then make plans for a coordinated and robust fundraiser. We will announce it on this thread and start a new one at that time.

To all who want to help John, please hold those thoughts until we evaluate the need and then announce a fundraising goal to fill that need.

Thanks for that update and clarification Ricky ... until then, heal up John ... and:

Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 14, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
Survival and Russ are gonna tap out first.

Huh?
You mean like knock each other out?

Survival,
I thought that after the Bachar debacle we were gonna keep Don King out of it.
And you may not know that Crimpie is the only black belt to master the "flying toe jam".
cuvvy

Sport climber
arkansas
Dec 14, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
I will say a prayer for a speedy recovery.
I will donate to any fund which helps the families devastated by the loss of a child.
If the medical bills get too much, how bout a book signing? Garage sale? Another short stories book?
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 18, 2012 - 03:37pm PT
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Anyone who contributed and wishes a refund please e-mail me. For those of you wishing to donate I will make sure it gets to John and post proof that it has.

Dec 13, 2012 - 12:13am PT
The fund is around $4300 tonight. Sometimes you just need to refresh the chipin widgit. Thanks again for all of your donations, I'm going to get a check to JL tomorrow.

Sorry about the widget it works on my end, but will be closed tonight. Thanks for the donations.

Credit: Hardman Knott


Well since you offered, I would indeed like to see the check for $4,422.00 - and confirmation that John received it.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 18, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Oops!!
Oops!!
Credit: Hardman Knott

To answer the question in your deleted post, I was holding off until it was clear that this whole thing was on the up and up...

So let's put this thing to rest and "post proof" that all the money raised (four thousand, four hundred and twenty two dollars) has been received by John Long.

Hardman (king of screenshots) Knott
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Dec 18, 2012 - 07:18pm PT
Yes, John himself says the "chip in" fundraiser is legit.

But, having done these things a bunch of times through the years... takes alot of the worry out if you have the person, e.g. John Long, create a paypal account (if they don't already have one). With the funds going directly to their paypal account via their established email and banking information. There's options with paypal to have it either auto transfer into their banking account or even have it left in their paypal account for them to use the free paypal debit card to spend the money.

If the fundraiser is setup to go directly into the beneficiaries bank account, rather than someone else's account, it just makes everyone feel alot more comfortable about contributing. Enuf said. :)
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 18, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
I erased the post because I am trying to find out how JL wants to handle it.

Obviously you are such a concerned close friend of Johns give him a call I'm sure he can answer any questions you have.

Rudder, yes I agree and that was how I wanted to do it, it just didn't happen.
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 18, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
You offered to show the proof, so you should show it. Seems pretty straightforward...
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 18, 2012 - 08:38pm PT
You would think so huh? You're gonna have to get it from the horses mouth if you want it right now. Sorry...
johntp

Trad climber
socal
Dec 18, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
I don't have a dog in this fight. Let it go and let's just keep the peace.

Edit: Aww screw it. I have no idea what all is going on in this thread; it has bounced around so many times and I have more crap going on in my life to care.
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 19, 2012 - 11:31am PT
Coz: You're as bad as Russ,
She legit, the funds legit, Largo stated it was legit.
Ricky A said it was legit, I said it was legit.

Hey Coz, f*#k you and quit your leg humping. Your fixation with me is flattering, but creepy. Go hump Donini for a while more.

And yes, I'd like to see the check too... since Ms. Goodsitt offered. Transparency on something like this is King.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 19, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
I know that I saw a post from Largo that said Rick Accomozzo(spelled wrong?) is handling his matters related to
this issue. You all may not know Krista, but you probably do know him.
Why not consider contacting him to get the information you desire?


It's unfortunate that this whole thing has gone down the way it has,
but it would seem to me that a word with Rick might help answer the questions you have.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 19, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
Yeah Russ, why are you picking on donini?
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 19, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
Russ you asked me repeatedly to return all of the money. What do you even care? Get over yourself nobody wants to hump your leg or anything else for that matter...
John Butler

Social climber
SLC, Utah
Dec 19, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
Krista,
Thanks for providing an opportunity to help out.
:-)
jb
Tarbuster

climber
right here, right now
Dec 20, 2012 - 11:25am PT
How did the final surgery and skin grafts go?
Russ Walling

Social climber
from Poofters Froth, Wyoming
Dec 20, 2012 - 11:43am PT
Merry Christmas Coz!

Russ you asked me repeatedly to return all of the money. What do you even care

I care because I think it would be swell if the good people who donated were shown the proof (that you offered to show) that their money reached its final destination.

Roy: as of yesterdays report, the op was longer than anticipated, involved a muscle graft as well as skin, was pretty complicated, and went well.
chez

Social climber
chicago ill
Dec 20, 2012 - 01:11pm PT
Oh Jeeez!
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 20, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Visited John yesterday in the hospital. He was just coming off his last surgery and was very happy to be done with a long series of procedures. We talked for about an hour and his spirits are good, considering all he has been through. He is getting great care by some of the best in the business at a modern and wonderful hospital. He says the prognosis is that he will heal up completely with time.

He will be in the hospital for a while longer, as much as two weeks. His leg is elevated by a pulley system. I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)


Rick
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 20, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
His leg is elevated by a pulley system.
Hauling sucks!
Heal up and get out of there Largo!
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 20, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)

That subject alone should have been good for three threads and 1,000 posts.
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 20, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Rick, I stared at that knot all night! Lol
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 20, 2012 - 02:33pm PT


Good thing JL didn't tie the knot...






(is it too soon???)...

LOL!!!...
bmacd

Trad climber
100% Canadian
Dec 20, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
So what happened to the Largo post indicating the funds raised will go towards his daughters travel expenses and "incidentals" ?

Don't forget to order "three cups of tea" ...
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 20, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
In response to the post above, John told me that Krista had delivered the money to him and he asked me to thank everyone who contributed.
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Dec 20, 2012 - 04:31pm PT
Thanks for the update Ricky.
Speedy recovery John. No sticking C4 to the bottom of your moon boot! Let 'er heal.
TY
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Dec 20, 2012 - 06:00pm PT
Ahhhh, finally some GUD news and useful information on John. Thanks Ricky, good to talk with you the other day and glad you made it out to see family and John. Hope to see you in January if you get back out. Take care and thanks for the update.
Peace
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 20, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
Largo in the hospital...Looking good!  Photo by Roccomazzo!
Largo in the hospital...Looking good! Photo by Roccomazzo!
Credit: Crimpergirl

Get well Largo! Hey, I think I see some chiseled brisket!
locker

Social climber
state of Kumbaya...
Dec 20, 2012 - 07:15pm PT


^^^

Is that an inflatable doll on the left in the photo???...

hooblie

climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
Dec 20, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
^^^ as per his nutritionist, that's a live game delivery slide. note greasy napkins ...
and the wiley gaze commonly seen only in the blue cloak, crested velociraptor
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 20, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
I was wondering what the purpose of that thing was myself, but my mind didn't go there until Locker chimed in.
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 20, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
It's a tent that pushes hot air around his leg and keeps the flap warm. Good circulation is crucial at this point so the flap takes. They test it every hour and listen for the pulse through the graft to check. I'm sure he'd rather it be a blow up doll though... BTW Ricks knot was great, but I couldn't stop thinking of horrible jokes either...
Krista Goodsitt

Sport climber
AZ
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
Riley, I was just saying that last night about heart patients, even I didn't think it would be this long...

BTW He still hadn't had too much to eat yesterday he looks much better after some grub.
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 20, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
GET WELL LARGO !!!!
okie

Trad climber
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:22pm PT
That guy still looks like a badass even in a hospital gown, with his leg in traction.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 20, 2012 - 10:48pm PT
Bwa ha ha;

"three cups of Largo"



Heal up fast, John.

Figures you would have a hanging tent.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 21, 2012 - 12:26am PT
Heal up strong, pay attention to all that rehab stuff.

The money will come.

drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 21, 2012 - 12:30am PT
Get that man some Mexican food STAT!

Hey Don Largo, get well soon.
Fish Finder

Social climber
THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART
Dec 21, 2012 - 08:36am PT





Hey John, would you like to spend a romantic Christmas at the Ahwahnee ?


The hospital is no place to spend Christmas.


Heal quickly and get home and relax.

I have been to several of these fund raisers or beg fests,
They arent very interesting until John Long shows up and grabs the mic

Humble is good but f#ck the pride

Get Better and give the go-ahead for "The Mutherf#ckin Fest of Ages"

We would all like to celebrate your well being and NOW seems like a good time to do it.

Best,Gregg
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:10am PT
lying in a damn hospital bed that long makes anyone pale. he looks pretty good to me.

but, hey, the proper knot for that situation would have been a mule hitch, backed up with an overhand.
go-B

climber
Hebrews 1:3
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:36am PT
Foot work is over rated, looks like he can still do one arms!
Cheers
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 21, 2012 - 10:41am PT
For anyone who has been as active as John, lying inert for so long can drive ya stir-crazy. Here's to keeping your lid locked down tight John.

Are there any books on your reading list that you don't have now that you would like to read now that you have the time? lol sorry for the tortured english:D
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 23, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
Update on Largo - Looking good and feeling better...

John is feeling even better! Largo with Mr. & Mrs. Roccomazzo -
John is feeling even better! Largo with Mr. & Mrs. Roccomazzo -
Credit: Crimpergirl

Happy Holidays!
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 23, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
Ho Ho Ho Man,
Have a great Christmas even though you are in the hospital.
Tad
Brunosafari

Boulder climber
OR
Dec 23, 2012 - 07:12pm PT

That is a fantastic visual!!!! ^^^^^
can't say

Social climber
Pasadena CA
Dec 23, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
On Saturday Bridwell, Bullwinkle and I dropped in for a bit to say hi. Within minutes the room was full of friends and family. As we were leaving more folks were arriving. It's great to see such an outpouring of love and support for John.
Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Dec 23, 2012 - 10:40pm PT
Bullwinkle... PM sent.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 23, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
Lots of love. Awesome.
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Dec 24, 2012 - 08:06am PT
old Times
old Times
Credit: Park Rat

New Times
New Times
Credit: Park Rat

The more things change.

The more things stay the same!
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 24, 2012 - 08:46am PT
Ah, man, I only spent three nights in the hospital on my deal. I could not imagine 30+ days. Yowza!

You're a tough guy, Largo, keep it together in the home stretch. And then do your damndest to stay out of the place!
Largo

Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
Dec 24, 2012 - 09:22am PT
Merry Christmas to all of you who lavished such Love and concern on me during the dog days early on. And an especially Merry Christmas to those who might find themselves alone today.

"I'll be home for Christmas,
If only in my dreams."

And that's no a problem as I've always believed in dreaming.

Thank you everyone for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers.

John Long
MikeL

climber
SANTA CLARA, CA
Dec 24, 2012 - 09:46am PT
You look good, John.

Hospitals are not healthy places to be. Get well soon.
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 24, 2012 - 10:04am PT
hey there say, john... just stepped in to see how you are....

yep--you are not forgotten here, either, ...

say, john, or say:

say, someone:

PLEASE let me know where to send his card and this dreamcathcer for him...


say, john:
oh my! since you will be there a while, least wise IT IS NOT late, :O

keep on getting well, and may god's grace be with you!
say, what's your FAVORITE COLOR by the way, :))

neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Dec 24, 2012 - 10:09am PT
hey there say, RickA...

as to this:
His leg is elevated by a pulley system. I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)

nice to see some humor here, ;)
Captain...or Skully

climber
Dec 24, 2012 - 10:10am PT
Glad to see you improving, Largo. Keep it up!
chappy

Social climber
ventura
Dec 24, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
John,
Glad to see you are getting better. I remember the time I spent in the hospital after I broke my back and how sweet it was when I finally escaped.
Hope that happens soon for you. Merry Christmas! Cheers to you Rick for being there for your buddy...
Chappy
Park Rat

Social climber
CA, UT,CT,FL
Dec 25, 2012 - 09:47pm PT
Hi John,

I know a lot about being alone at Christmas having lost my husband 14 years ago.

That doesn't compare to what you're going through, it's hard enough to be injured, especially difficult during the holidays.

I'm sure it will come through this with flying colors and probably have a greater appreciation for the good health that you've enjoyed until now.

With good thoughts for your speedy recovery, I wish you all the best from balmy Florida.

Susie









happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 25, 2012 - 09:59pm PT
Merry Christmas, Largo. Looks like you are getting a leg up on the new year....

Hopefully someone showed their friendship by bringing in some xmas day goodies and a nice meal!

And maybe is saving some video of you early on which is going to go sort of like this one:

ryankelly

Trad climber
el portal
Dec 25, 2012 - 11:20pm PT
Don't know you JL but your books have inspired me along the way. Thanks for that.

Heal up and lets have a rad fundraising party.
grover

climber
Northern Mexico
Dec 26, 2012 - 12:12am PT


Heal up Largo

Hospitals suck

Mark
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Dec 26, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
Continuing to pray for you and remembering you in the incredible positive thoughts arena.

Sometime's hailing in the New Year has extra significance. Yours will be special I'm sure.

Lynne Leichtfuss or incognito as LL LL

Peace, Joy and Happy New Year.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 26, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
"I'll be home for Christmas, ..."


We're with you John, because home is where the heart is. And from what I can tell, your heart is in an awful lot of places. Bring in the new year with some new light...

Aloha!
Rick A

climber
Boulder, Colorado
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:50am PT
Visited John on Christmas day and he is rapidly improving, flirting with some nurses, conversing in Spanish with others. However he has to stay in the hospital for another week so the healing of the skin graft on his shin can be monitored. He does pullups on the trapeze thing above his head and his arms are still like young tree trunks. He is looking good, but "ho man," he had a lot of work on that leg.

I am back in Colorado so won't be seeing him in the next few days. I encourage those of you in So Cal to visit him at UCLA hospital over the end of the year and into the New Year.

John is unconquerable, but a month in the hospital is the essence of type III fun: not fun while doing it and even less fun in retrospect.

Let's hear some New Year's greetings and wishes for John.
Evel

Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
Dec 30, 2012 - 11:56am PT
Just finished a month long hospital visit myself.

Let's heal up and crush the new year!
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Dec 30, 2012 - 12:48pm PT
Visited with John again the other night. He was doing great. Pain and discomfot are the early and constant companions of the healing. But the Dude abides! John's spirit is bigger than the myth. We jaw jacked for a few hours and I left him with some very tasty pastries as requested!
TY
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 30, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Healing VIBES to you LARGO!
Tami

Social climber
Canada
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
"jaw jacked"?


Does this mean Largo might need more skin grafts elsewhere?


Grin.
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:07pm PT
Heal up well John. I hope those pictures I sent you work out.

Mike Cowper
T H

Boulder climber
bouldering
Dec 30, 2012 - 01:27pm PT
Credit: T H
jogill

climber
Colorado
Dec 30, 2012 - 04:32pm PT
He does pullups on the trapeze thing above his head

OK! Excellent, JL. Try working up to a front lever!

Seriously, miss your pithy and articulate posts, your turn of phrase and your humor . . . they make even the most dreadful thread a pleasure to follow.

;>)
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Jan 1, 2013 - 09:01pm PT
Credit: TYeary
John getting some sunshine for the first time in a month.
Photo courtesy, Lauren Di Scipio
TY
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 09:18pm PT
Largo...Looks like you are on the mend and ready to break the winter , Sherwin Grade Descent record...You'll need to dress warmer though...
Brunosafari

Boulder climber
OR
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:00am PT

John Long needs some sunglasses!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:09am PT
Turns out, those heavy hospital wheelchairs are much easier to control wheelies with. I got pretty good at it when I got hit by that rock that Collins pulled off the Diving Board.

When Warren McDonald let me try his ultralight high performance chair it was really squirrely and tippy.



But you might want to heal up a little more before you go tearing around on 2 wheels there John, since there is a learning curve that likely includes a wipe out or three.

Ouch!
;)
Lynne Leichtfuss

Sport climber
moving thru
Jan 2, 2013 - 10:04pm PT
Glad to see you're doing well. Know you have a ton of support, but if there is anything I can help with let me know. lynne l.
Fluoride

Trad climber
West Los Angeles, CA
Jan 7, 2013 - 01:10am PT
John was released from the hospital on Thursday after 5 weeks there. He's at home and resting now and will rehab his leg back like the mofo he is. He's spry and well.
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