Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 6, 2012 - 10:05am PT
Hey Everybody, I feel like it's time for another ST Spring Fundraiser.
As you know John recently had a major accident that's going to require several surgeries and lots of Rehab. The costs for whats not covered by his Insurance are mounting. Let's try and workout a Fundraiser for this Spring in J.T. . .Todd? Tarbuster? Mighty Hiker? Cragman? . .Ron Gomez give ma a shout, you're in charge.
Edit, He's doing well, it's going take some time to healup. Guy, love that idea, old skool slideshow and lies around a campfire. . .
ho man! sounds great...I got some valuable stuff I can donate for auction, and maybe a Dr F versus Russ Walling epic political debate moderated by Bob Gaines instead of a loud band?
Thanks for the link, Taho. Even though I was very well insured, the co-pays for the rehab from my Achilles tendon surgery this year weren't cheap, and Largo is looking at something far more extensive. I only wish I had more to give now.
After seeing some of these things go terribly wrong (ie: the Bachar debacle where that dude Greene stole all the shit) who is behind the link below and in ultimately in charge of the funds?
The link led to the Access Fund, although there was a different address on PayPal. The involvement of the Access Fund, however, struck me as a sufficient safeguard.
That Greene guy claimed he was devastated by Hurricane Katrina as well and I sent him a twenty. Ha ha ha. Quite the accomplished grifter. Glad he moved on to other suckers.
My guess is that John has a catastrophic health care plan like I did when I was self employed. The deductible is usually high, sometimes like $8,000. So odds are his plan is not going to cover a huge chunk of change.
B_E_S: give it a rest. If this is going to be the actual fundraiser link thread, the last thing we need is how much a strapadicktome cost in 1983. Perhaps this ONE thread can sorta stay on topic for a bit. Besides, you are making Bullwinkle nuts.
No interest in court anymore it takes more money than it
makes. However let me know if there's another get together
locally at a climbing shop and ill pay again for the social
activities.
If there is a gathering in JT and John is there telling stories, someone record it please! :-)
If there's a raffle or auction I'll donate a set of my Gstrings, well...errr....uh, not one of MY Gstrings, but a set of my company's Gstring Climbing Grips.
Riley can run shotgun on the loonies with the Fish. The Fundraiser that I'm proposing here is separate from the chipin link. Hopefully John will be mobile enough by the Spring to attend and be apart of this Event. This would be something to not only help and give back to Largo but to also bring together the community that he's Mentored for so many years.
Edit, Tami, your work is Amazing! ! ! That would be awesome, details to follow as they get worked out. D
Dean I'll donate a painting to the cause. If you are unfamiliar with my work, ask Largo :-)
It could be auctioned for the cause.
PM me please if this is something you'd like to do.
I'm surprised how often people don't realize that getting injured or sick is very expensiveeven with insurance. Any insurance is better than none, but most insurance is pretty weak.
Looking forward to hearing the date and hoping it is workable for us.
edit: And agreed Locker about no insurance. I went a long time without any and lucked out. Many do not. :/
Can you make it happen before the Sushifest?(Otherwise I have to choose one over the other...and it is all about me, isn't it?)
I haven't been able to keep up on the thread about his injury. Just read the beginning part and hadn't yet been mentioned the extent. What a bummer for him. I don't think anyone goes to a climbing gym thinking "I could be seriously injured." I mean, I know we know the potential is there, but it seems such a freak occurrence. Sorry to know he has been hurt so badly.
We are all one injury and or illness from bankrupt, and homeless.
Bullwinkle and I know as well as others how hard it is to come back from severe ankle breaks. Im 14 years out from a shattered right ankle and well every day is a painful reminder at how that one day changed my life.
Best of luck JL
You will survive! watch out for those pain meds they are brutal on the body and the mind.
Boy, I'd love to throw down some $ but I need $ for my own medical expenses right now. Sorry to hear there is surgery in the plural planned for Mr. Long. That sucks! I at least have been able to avoid that sad fate in my current convalescence. I hope others aren't as lame [pun intended] as I am and can donate to our favorite and decidedly non-pusillanimous bastion of climbing rugosity.
Uh, showing up would be $ for me. Quite a bit, in fact. I wish John L the best and that there is a large support from the community local and otherwise.
Always have a hand out for a brother in need. Need to talk to my wife. We all love John, wish him the best, and we all need, once again, to rally together on this one. It's gonna be a tough road ahead;.....Rest assured, we got your back, John.
I can throw in a couple of the new second edition of Boulder Canyon rock climbs and a few new Shelf Rd guides. Would also throw in some cash and maybe if timing is right come out to the benefit.
I just had a huge medical bill after open heart surgery...my plan paid for a large percentage of the bill but still had a chunk of change out of pocket. This crap can wipe out your savings in the matter of days.
Well. It probably comes as a surprise to many that Johno is not terrifically wealthy after all those books, all the slide shows, all the years, all the legendary ascents.
He has still been shaking the dice, staying fit, helping tons of people on intimate levels through four decades, has a family and a dear wife now that perhaps is ailing as well. He remains amongst us and has a story much like most ST members: he gave it all at "church", so to speak and today the rest of us join in to help this man at one of his bad spots along the way.
The fundraising link goes to the John Long Donations Fund in the name of Krista Goodsitt.
Who is this person managing the fund collection and what his her connection to John Long? I can't find her name anywhere behind the Chipin link. Seems this might go a lot better if all this stuff was a little clearer and open.
This is really weird for a guy with a doc for a daughter...
My understanding is she is a medical student. Huge difference, and would explain any lack of money as well. My wife's a doc (not MD) and I married into 100k in debt. I'm sure you can figure the math out as far as how that sort of debt alters the father's funds.
edit: I can understand some cynicism as far as making sure the money gets to the right place, JLP, but we shouldn't make this a slag fest when a guys who has given his heart and soul to the community sits broken in the hospital. That would be completely tactless.
Are we still planning on a bonfire and ghost stories.
I'm down for that count!
I remember one winter in JT, some wood lot owner would pull up with his dump truck loaded with a cord or so of wood, and dump in all in a fire ring and light it up.
We'd all be standing about 30' away, with our fronts roasting and our backs freezing.
Check this link to my house, if you rent a night or two I'll donate the money to JL.
I will match with my own money the rent, this will give JL a total of $480 per night.
The place sleeps 6 and is 240 a night, not too much if u get a group and a great place to chill.
It's my hope that the drama queens and bullies alike can act like gentleman and focus on Largo.
He is a great man who cares deeply for his friends and has always been there for me in my darkest days.
Just tell the property managers it's for the Largo fund.
I will donate a total of five nights.
SC
Edit. JL has a book-keeper so stop with the clarity BS, please.
Silver's right. Even if you have planned well financially, the perfect storm can destroy it all.
The community can help keep that from happening. I would be glad to help in whatever way I can. Hope someone establishes the date asap so people can begin to make plans.
How many days in the hospital now for John?
This is going to be one expensive bivouac and also ain't going to be any soaking-the-cast-off-early and jumping right-back-up-on-the-pipe type of recovery.
But for our part, we can try real hard and imagine it so:
It's my hope that the drama queens and bullies alike can act like gentleman and focus on Largo.
Amen to that, Coz, and thanks for your offer, that's awesome.
I have never had the honor of meeting John, but in my eyes he is a legend (as he is in many.)May you heal up fast!
As a recent recipient of a $50k bill over my last Yosemite adventure, I know well how fast one's life can get turned upside down by an unexpected incident.
I really like the idea of a JT gathering and bonfire stories/fundraiser...would love to see this happen!
Hey Bullwinkle. I've been following the comments about fundraising for Largo, and I wanted to propose an idea- doing something at Outdoor Retailer in January. I don't know how much money needs to be raised, but it sounds like "a lot". Using the Access Fund booth at OR? asking Black diamond to host a slide show during the show? getting companies to chip in $? I haven't spoken to anyone about this, so I'm wondering what you guys think. awaiting instructions!
maria.
also, not sure what i can do...
i could donate dreamcatcher... but they don't bring much,
:(
but i can't donate a painting at the moments, as i got about four oils
and some acrylics already in the works, all due to go to
folks, hopeflly for dec and jan, :(
wrong time for me, i am soooo sorry to say...
but;
i CAN and will pray, of course and CAN do some get well stuff
hoping and praying for a speedy as possible victory to you
john!
Using the Access Fund booth at OR? asking Black diamond to host a slide show during the show? getting companies to chip in $? I haven't spoken to anyone about this, so I'm wondering what you guys think. awaiting instructions!
+1 for Maria as industry coordinator for the Largo Fundraiser.
My first thought would be to get the Outdoor Retailer to comp a booth just for the fundraiser? I doubt we'd have any trouble staffing the booth.
Prime real estate of course. None of this out in the back 40 stuff.
I'm surprised they haven't approached us about it yet! Heh. I mean come on kids: you think the guy had anything to do with popularizing the sport?
(But barring that, yes maybe The Access Fund for some space sounds good).
It's now been almost 24 hours since TC posted the URL (http://johnlongdonations.chipin.com/john-long) for the donations, and although people are posting comments to John, the contribution level has not changed on the site. Its legitimacy has been questioned here, and that's made me hesitant to use it. Things are a little murky.
Can someone say who the initiator of the donation site is, or provide an address where a donation could be sent for John?
I have no idea except what i saw in the pic and a few tidbits..But he does have a severe open tib fib injury and is still in the hospital after about a week. He had emergency surgery and has at least two more surgeries in the future - maybe a fasciotomy, nerve damage, compromised circulation, infection, arterial vascular damage,severe bone damage,tendon rupture or laceration, severe muscle damage, osteomylitis, sepsis,severe swelling, pain....a week in the hosp in LA with multilpe surgeries...easy over 100 000 thousand etc
Thanks for all the support. I'l make it through this.
Any "fund" was done without my knowledge and while no doubt well-intended is not the way to go. Nobody just gives money to a slush pot for people to spend on hot rods and lap dances or whatever.
Such a plan if needed will be way later. But I appreciate the thought.
Note that this doesn't refer to any spring fundraiser that may or may not be organized by John's friends. Although the idea of contributing to lap dances for Largo has its attractions...
Note that this doesn't refer to any spring fundraiser that may or may not be organized by John's friends. Although the idea of contributing to lap dances for Largo has its attractions...
Being an eastern climber I have talked to John on only a few occasions over the last forty years. That said I can only opine that I would be very surprised were he willing to be a lapee.
Well...I'm still "in" on the moral support angle. I know what it's like to get all busted up in 5 milliseconds. The road to recovery lengthy and arduous. And...it gets worse...the older the bust-upee has become!
The fundraising link goes to the John Long Donations Fund in the name of Krista Goodsitt.
Curious, has there been any follow up on this?
Its legitimacy has been questioned here, and that's made me hesitant to use it. Things are a little murky.... Can someone say who the initiator of the donation site is...
And where is the link to the contact for who created this? Oh yeah, there isn't one.
Credit: stich
So, absolutely no information about who created this, how to get in touch with them, etc. Very shady. Anyone can essentially set up a Chip-in for any cause whatsoever it appears.
Stick with the fundraiser where you actually see people in the flesh for now.
I checked rockclimbing.com to see if the Chipin was there, but it doesn't appear to be. I sent Peter Stokes a message about the link he posted on MP.com to see where he got it from.
Everbody just chillout, Locker already is, so everybody else. . .I have no idea about the chipin link, it doesn't come from me. So, instead of a funraiser let's just call it a Party for JL this Spring at JT.
So that said, I hope that this increases the, confusion. . .
Edit, I can't change the Title of the thread, and this one is getting, good. . .
Spoke to John last night. Was alert and in reasonable spirits, but will be in the hospital a while longer for more work on his leg.
No one should send any money to the mystery website unless John himself endorses the idea. The internet is full of scams and until we get proof of authenticity, it should be treated like an email from a Nigerian prince promising that you'll make a fortune if you just wire transfer to him a small sum.
I like the idea of a party, if for no other reason than to get the crew together and celebrate the beginning of John's recovery, and that we all have survived for another year.
When Layton needed some help, I just wrote a couple of good checks straight to his name. No baloney with a middleman.
Now I have some Layton Kor autographs.
My knee surgery was a fairly complicated procedure, but it was only an arthroscopic followed by a single replacement and graft procedure. 3 days in the hospital and then I was home on a walker for a while. '
Total: 85 grand. Medicine is a racket. I have good insurance through my wife because I am self employed, so they covered almost all of it.
I noticed on the bills that half of it went away with the "provider write-off." That means that the insurance company only paid so much for each procedure and that the hospital wrote off half the costs for that sweet insurance.
I asked a doc friend about this, and if you are not insured, you won't get that provider write off and be stuck with the full 85 grand. No kidding. You fall and break your ankle now and you have to sell your house.
When the bills come due, I hope John realizes that in many ways he steers the climbing community to this day. So we all owe him for that.
I'm afraid that this will end up costing over 200 grand. For a broken ankle. No kidding. If any of us have the means to make a dent in that, just write a check here in a few months when the bills start coming in. No in kind gifts. Cash is much better.
I know he doesn't want it and didn't ask for it, but if he needs it we should consider it. Being a self employed writer is almost impossible to get decent insurance for.
Medical costs are so nuts in this country that even a guy like Largo could take a big hit over a broken ankle. It used to not be like this.
One good thing is that Largo may go through a huge spurt of writing to make some real coin. Being the best climbing writer out there will be a boon to climbers of all ages. Forever. Largo's writing will long outlive him.
I spent a bunch of time last night reading and studying Largo's injury.
This is the most difficult ortho injury for surgeons to take care or fix...period
Everyone stop fighting and send JL positive vibes...
I don't know the science behind it....but it helps....I've seen it many times
Can't believe this almost happened again as far as the fund raiser.
I saw that web site and link, think it was the same one, on JL's Facebook page a few days before Bullwinkle posted the thread...
Not unlikely that it is the same prick that stole money from Bachar.
ChipIn is just a widget gateway to paypal and whatever addy the set up person used at paypal.
My spidey sense says it is shady and that is why I was suspect way back on the first page. I hope it is on the up and up, but hey, being gullible is not one of my long suits.
Now if Bullwinkle or some other real dude had his name on it, then yeah, great and easy way to buff out the big man with some moolah. But so far I'm not seeing that.
Kristin Goodsitt is a "friend" of John's on his facebook page. Yes, he has 1,000s. :) Doesn't necessarily make it legit, but thought I'd toss that out there...
I'm thinking next time El Jefe Largo snaps out of his opiate induced haze, he at least says "yeah I know her and she's ok", or "WTF? ...Never heard of her".
OK, I sent Krista a FB message asking for more information. Also contacted a few people who are also Facebook friends with her to see if they can vouch for her.
OK, John is having dinner with Krista tonight. This is her response.
"Krista Goodsitt
Hey there, John is aware of it he just didn't realize exactly what it was and how big it was going to get. I'm having dinner w him tonight and am going to explain it to him and see what he wants done with it. I will close it depending on his wishes. All the money donated is going straight to Largo, we decided to start it when we realized he is going to be in the hospital over a week.
His daughters also got emergency flights from out of the country, so the fund was set up to help with odds and ends and co pays and such. I have no problem posting all of the donated funds and the final check to John right now the funds are in a pay pal account that I set up. I totally understand that lots of chipins are fraudulent so any questions people have I will gladly answer. I hope this helps explain it. Did I answer all your questions?"
It's really a sad state of affairs for well-meaning individuals trying to help a friend, having to worry about some bottom fishing pond slime trying to make a shady buck! I've never met JL, but he's truly one I've admired for a long time. I also him a repayment in kindness for something he did for someone close to me. So...if there is a party...fundraiser...whateverthehellitis, count me in.
I don't mean to imply anything good or bad with the use of the term "friend" upthread. I don't know her but I also did not want folks thinking she is a total mystery person up to no good either.
edit: Made lots of typo corrections. Typing on the droid without glasses on is not a good idea. :)
Blitzo, as an example, has like 2300 "friends" online including scads of hot chicks from unpronounceable Eastern Block hell-holes. Would I send them like a $100 to pass to a real friend of mine? No. Would I send them $5 for some pics? Probably yes. Does Blitzo actually know any of them? That would be no... so yeah, the whole "friend" thing is kinda funky in general.
To add... It is a shame, sort of, but maybe not that all this suspicion is on this well meaning gal, if that is what she is. But, this whole ChipIn widget is pretty sketch in itself. It is really just a false layer of legitimacy in front of a paypal account. Much like a blog post or even a web page, you can make it all flowery and heartfelt, with ZERO checks and balances as to authenticity. It is a glorified redirect to a paypal link. Let's say you hear of something happening to someone like Largo or Whitney Houston or Liberace, or some other luminary... within 5 minutes you can set up a page asking for money to buy flowers or lap dances or whatever and people will for sure start sending you money. You can pop in some pics, say you are family, say you are a cop or a fireman, and on and on. Read about some of the scams on Google. It is pretty widespread.
If Stich says shes legitimate, my doubts are laid to rest.
But Stich, did your verification efforts really require hours on the telephone with this woman? You have gone above and beyond the call of duty, unless there might be another reason for your interest other than a thorough investigation? :)
Rick, actually you were mentioned by her as someone who would look into this with Largo. Any chance you can do that?
And no, this wasn't on the phone. I can't even get a decent cell signal where I live. It was on Facebook messenger. I have been cooped up all day with my daughter with snow and cold keeping us from going outside much today.
Stich-Just kidding,sincere thanks for the effort in vetting that solicitation and thanks to Krista as well for taking such quick action.
I would be happy to take the lead on the fundraising, if John approves.
John is going to need a lot of patience getting back on his feet and his friends will need it also. I know we all want to help right now, but let's let JL get out of the hospital and then he can tell us the best ways that we can help.
Rick, if you talk to John just ask him about Krista and if he knows what's going on. That's all that needs to be done. If she's OK, I'm sure she can handle the rest.
I think that Largo will be well enough for a Party and a Lap Dance this Spring, that's a great idea Fish. That's why you need to be in charge as Coz pointed out up thread. . .
Spoke to John and Krista tonight. Krista is not a scammer, she is a friend of John and she was kind enough to take immediate steps to help him. She deserves our thanks.
Krista wanted me to assure everyone that the money collected by her will go to JL as intended, for purposes such as defraying his kids' travel expenses to be with him in the hospital. Not a penny for lap dances, either, much as that might cheer him up.
But John says we should hold off on further fundraising until he gives us the word. Once he is out of the hospital, he can direct us to the best way we can all help him. He thanks everyone for their support and offers of help.
I agree with that mighty. I fact I feel that the sheep people don't really know how to throw a good party anyway. The Stone Masters do know how to Party, so we shall take care of the planning. The Theme shall be Lap Dances for Largo. . . Oh covelocos, lets talk.
Edit, Rick does this mean we'll need to start a separate Lap Dance for Largo fund?
This is the real Krista Goodsitt and though I am not a Nigerian whore or a two bit actress, I tried to help a friend. I believe it is fine to ask for the legitimacy of something like chipin, but a far more selfish deed to call someone names and attack their character without a shred of evidence. It has been challenging to understand Johns needs at this time and I hoped we could help with immediate needs. He did not simply break his ankle and I don't know what math geniuses are on this forum, but it's more than 187k. I will refund everything tomorrow. I hope people will still help in the future if that needs to be. Good job everyone! P.S. crimpgirl any time any where...
Dec 10, 2012 - 12:12am PT
This is the real Krista Goodsitt and though I am not a Nigerian whore or a two bit actress, I tried to help a friend. I believe it is fine to ask for the legitimacy of something like chipin, but a far more selfish deed to call someone names and attack their character without a shred of evidence. It has been challenging to understand Johns needs at this time and I hoped we could help with immediate needs. He did not simply break his ankle and I don't know what math geniuses are on this forum, but it's more than 187k. I will refund everything tomorrow. I hope people will still help in the future if that needs to be. Good job everyone! P.S. crimpgirl any time any where...
Lighten up. This wouldn't be the first time someone came out of the woodwork to take it upon themselves to solicit funds for a climbing legend, and in this case it turns out the recipient wasn't consulted prior:
Sorry, but that Chipin thing looked EXTREMELY shady, and Russ hit the nail on the head with his posts.
Speaking of Tim Greene, the memory of that debacle lingers many years later, with its rather interesting turn of events, and it turned out that Tim Greene seemed to have a string of bad luck that usually resulted in people sending him money. Gotta love the generosity of people quick to help out without questioning anything and assuming everything is on the up and up...
I don't see where anyone called you names or attacked your character. Frankly, it would be insanity to send money through some website put up by a total stranger, even if there WAS any contact info on the page. Sorry you were so offended.
I think returning the money is the right thing here. It can be given to JL another time. The digital age made all of this too easy. Much of this should never have happened without at least a shred more effort in planning and talking to people - certainly the man deserves that, so does someone wanting and willing to give more than lunch money to the cause.
A crowd starts gathering with pitchforks about this unknown possible evil entity and I mention that she is not an unknown, but rather a "Friend" of Largo's (facebook friends come in all shapes - real friend, acquaintances, relatives - especially for him given his celebrity). And for this I get the "any time any where"?
I certainly did not call you a two-bit actress or a whore or anything awful nor were those my feelings. I don't see you threatening those who did that. What a piece of work you are!
. This is the real Krista Goodsitt and though I am not a Nigerian whore or a two bit actress, I tried to help a friend. I believe it is fine to ask for the legitimacy of something like chipin, but a far more selfish deed to call someone names and attack their character without a shred of evidence. It has been challenging to understand Johns needs at this time and I hoped we could help with immediate needs. He did not simply break his ankle and I don't know what math geniuses are on this forum, but it's more than 187k. I will refund everything tomorrow. I hope people will still help in the future if that needs to be. Good job everyone! P.S. crimpgirl any time any where
Cool down folks - Krista is under a bit of stress - her close friend is badly injured..
Krista - don't take it personal.Nobody means any harm and everyone here cares about the community. It is as much about your name as it is about Largo and the funds. Folks don't know if some psycho is using your name and most folks didnt know you until now. It doesn't take a lot of work for someone to send emails and pretend to be a best friend or anyone in the world. You have to understand any grifter, say a bystander in the gym , can see or hear the name of someone close to Largo, like you, and easily use that name to set up a fund - we have seen it on here before with a guy who stole a bunch of gear and money from Largo's freind John Bachar.
People are only here out of concern and care - please don't be upset..
Nobody meant disrespect to you - you must be under a lot of stress with Largo's very bad injury - we all understand it's a horrible injury and that you are trying to help
Communication problems like this occur on the net all the time.
This is a very caring bunch who are also joking around a bit to provide some levity!! Lol
Largo is sick right now. I know how brave and independent men like Largo can be chill and not ask for help. So I think the words of not needing help can be taken with a grain of salt. I'm a real nurse myself so I have a bit of a gut feeling for how these things go....
Collect the money - this injury, if it is a bad Pilon fracture, (you can pretty much infer it from the fact that he is still in the hosp) is a long road with lots of possible complications.
I will donate as soon as I get a check.
"Much of this should never have happened without at least a shred more effort in planning and talking to people - certainly the man deserves that, so does someone wanting and willing to give more than lunch money to the cause."...
So many REACTED before THINKING and with your above post, you're for sure on to something there...
EDITED:
"Waiting for a Cosmic or Locker photoshopped Crimpie/Krista throwdown."...
For me personally to do any manipulating on this thread, would no doubt once more get coz back giving me crap...
There is talk of a "Spring Cleanup" at Joshua Tree, along the lines of the FaceLift. Perhaps any fundraiser for John could be coordinated with it? It'd be all the more reason to make the trip - help out with the cleanup etc during the day(s), attend the fundraiser one evening, and perhaps other entertainment on other night(s).
Hey guys sorry for my rant. I was hit with all of this yesterday and I just needed some time to talk with everyone involved. The chipin was the brain child of a few of Johns friends and I have been left to deal with it and deal with my life right now too. I am not angry about people joking around I'm just frustrated that I couldn't get a second to explain myself. I received many angry emails from contributers threatening fraud charges. All I'm saying is that in this social media age people expect things at the click of a mouse and sometimes it takes a little more time. Again this was only set up for immediate expenses John has incurred. I always expected someone would set up a bigger fundraiser at a later time.
Crimpgirl I'm just busting your balls calm down...
This thread is a testimony to the best and worst human instincts, the worst ones exacerbated by the casual and mindless insensitivity that seems to characterize much internet discourse. It isn't turning into what I would call one of our finest hours.
I think Krista deserves both thanks and some apologies. If she is listening, I don't think she should refund the donations already made, contributions made by people of good heart and good intentions who sincerely wanted to help a fallen comrade and mentor.
The Torah says, "do not stand idly by while your neighbor bleeds." It does not say, hey, better check with your neighbor about whether he wants help or not. I'd say the perception that our friend Largo could use a bit of help is accurate. Of course he doesn't want to ask for it and feels he doesn't need it---maybe he really doesn't, I certainly don't know anything about the state of his finances. But I see all that as rather beside the point. You do your best, within your own abilities, to help people who need help. It isn't in response to a request, it is part of striving to be a decent human being, a struggle we see being lost on a daily basis on the internet, but which goes on anyway.
If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need. Or whatever. What counts for the community is making the gesture, something that has begun to happen. Krista, don't let the worst instincts and behavior of the group overwhelm the best.
The Torah says, "do not stand idly by while your neighbor bleeds." It does not say, hey, better check with your neighbor about whether he wants help or not. I'd say the perception that our friend Largo could use a bit of help is accurate. Of course he doesn't want to ask for it and feels he doesn't need it---maybe he really doesn't, I certainly don't know anything about the state of his finances. But I see all that as rather beside the point. You do your best, within your own abilities, to help people who need help. It isn't in response to a request, it is part of striving to be a decent human being, a struggle we see being lost on a daily basis on the internet, but which goes on anyway.
If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need. Or whatever. What counts for the community is making the gesture, something that has begun to happen.
So, if I understand this correctly, we are setting up an octagon at the Coz house for a three round MMA match between Krista and Crimpie with Bird as the ref.
Russ is gonna hold the bets and give the house cut to Largo so that when the cast comes off he can get lap dancing lessons from a Nigerian actress?
So, if I understand this correctly, we are setting up an octagon at the Coz house for a three round MMA match between Krista and Crimpie with Bird as the ref.
Russ is gonna hold the bets and give the house cut to Largo so that when the cast comes off he can get lap dancing lessons from a Nigerian actress?
Not correct. Russ nominated Bill Russell to hold the money and pour the beer. Otherwise, spot on Ron.
If, at the end of the day, Largo genuinely has no use for the cash, he is free to turn around and use it to help someone who he sees as more in need.
I disagree. If I gave x amount of money to help defray medical expenses, that is what I would like to see happen with the money - not to some charity I can choose on my own, not to fly family around the globe.
The premise was the fund is for medical expenses. If someone would like to set up a fund for something else, then that should be stated clearly and openly up front.
Still trying to work out a role for Ron (Toker Villain). Security, maybe? Or would that just scare people away? Maybe we could have a sushifest also, and Ron could help with that?
JLP wrote: I disagree. If I gave x amount of money to help defray medical expenses, that is what I would like to see happen with the money - not to some charity I can choose on my own, not to fly family around the globe.
I bet you didn't send a penny...so STFU with your negative bullshit and go somewhere else with your bad Juju.
I'm with Werner. It made sense to be cautious until the nature of the account was clarified, which it has been. As far as I can tell, the account is still up, and as of Monday afternoon has a bit more than $2900 raised from 66 contributors. I hope Krista keeps it that way, as I said above.
My personal plan is to make several modest donations between now and the fund expiration date of January 31st, since I can't come up with much all at once right now. As for what Largo does with the money, I consider that his business, not mine.
If it helps him to gather his family around him, for example, that's cool. If lap dances turn out to have therapeutic effects, either real or placebic, then that's cool too, although in the latter case an article---in the style only Largo can manage---in the Archives of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation might be called for.
After my ACL reconstruction surgery last January, my insurance paid for three months of rehab. I'm now in month 10 and still doing rehab exercises, but of course without all the specialized equipment available from professional rehab places. So the last seven months I've been on my own, since I couldn't manage to keep paying for the service. (Mind you, I paid a deductible for every session while insurance was in force.) This hasn't been optimal (a pro athlete with the same injuries gets a year of rehab on a daily basis), but it has been ok.
John will almost certainly need far more rehab than I did for a relatively minor arthroscopic procedure that didn't even involve staying in the hospital overnight. How much he is able to do, and so the level of recovery he achieves, will be partially determined by what he can pay for after insurance for rehab is out of the picture. It is easy to say, as I did, that I've got this and can do it myself, but I can guarantee you that if more funds had been available, I'd still be going to rehab and maybe I'd be able to run and jump rope now, which I still can't do without pain developing pretty quickly.
My point with this example is, as my mother-in-law used to say, "rich or poor, it's good to have money." It affects your decisions and your health, even as you pride yourself on making your own way. Kicking in a little for John is, in my view, a gesture of decency and support whether or not he thinks it necessary as he lies in his hospital bed without having seen even a single bill yet, because "necessary" or not, the extra cash might still make a difference in the quality of his recovery.
...the extra cash might still make a difference in the quality of his recovery.
I started to write something similar, but then decided what Rgold wrote does a better job communication my thoughts better than I ever could. I agree with everything in his post 100%.
I have never met John. However, through his climbing books, he has helped to educate me about climbing and improve my technical competence. His other writing has brought me hours of joy. Giving something back to someone who has done so much for me is a no brainer.
My personal plan is to make several modest donations between now and the fund expiration date of January 31st, since I can't come up with much all at once right now. As for what Largo does with the money, I consider that his business, not mine.
I see a lot of talk about donating money to the chipin for John. Now that you all have figured out it"s legitimate put your wallet where your keyboard its. Its been stuck at $2915 all day. This is and was only meant as a stop gap measure to help out until something more could be organized. Help the man who helped a lot of us along the way.
I see a lot of talk about donating money to the chipin for John. Now that you all have figured out it"s legitimate put your wallet where your keyboard its. Its been stuck at $2915 all day.
Why would anyone choose to donate now, when a refund salvo is supposedly the works? It might be time to pull the curtains on this whole ChipIn event in favor of something less clusterf*#kish in the future.
Anyone who contributed and wishes a refund please e-mail me. For those of you wishing to donate I will make sure it gets to John and post proof that it has.
Chris Wilson: Russ, the future is now. Waiting for something better to come along dose nothing to help in the short term.
Umm... not according to Long, in his own words:
Largo Dec 8, 2012 - 03:13pm PT
Any "fund" was done without my knowledge and while no doubt well-intended is not the way to go. Nobody just gives money to a slush pot for people to spend on hot rods and lap dances or whatever.
Such a plan if needed will be way later. But I appreciate the thought.
I don't want to go off on a rant here, because I actually think you guys are trying to do a good thing. But.... This whole deal has been f*#ked up from the get go. And you now show up with your first post begging for more wallet action. Who exactly are you speaking for? Largo? He said to hold off. You guys should shitcan this circus, and either refund in totality to those that have given, or hand the wad to John and back away from these forums. Yer not cut our for it, and nobody here knows you. Put a can out in the gym or go all Facebook wacky and raise all you want swimming in waters known to you if that is what you want to do. If ChipIn or anything similar is going to work on this type of Forum (SuperTopo, Mountain Project, etc) , someone who is familiar to most other forum members and obviously associated with Largo will have a much better result spearheading the fundraising. And that is IF Largo is into such a thing. The last I read is he is NOT, yet your efforts are continuing.
Hey.. this is getting sorta rant worthy... anyway, good on you guys for trying to help, but it might be time to just stop IMO.
You only tried to help out and now it's sorted and the people who question you could have done a little more research before they jumped on the fraud chant.
I wouldn't take it too personal however as I think there's good reason to doubt anything on the net these days.
I'm baffled as to what's going on here, if JL needs the money or not, if we're having a fund raiser or not, if I should donate nights on my house or not.
Bottom line is I know most people love Largo and everyone has good intentions.
But as far as I know the guy makes good coin, but if he has no insurance, God help him.
After speaking with JL I am leaving the chipin up for now. I decided to listen to the majority and not the couple lone wackadoos. Russ no one spearheads their own fundraiser from their hospital bed. It's also super rude to tell someone they are not cut out for this forum. The chipin was fine until all the rants started that is why I tried to keep it off these sites and focus on Johns close friends. Again this is for immediate costs and hopefully is just the tip of the ice berg. I spoke with John today and he is very appreciative of everyones contributions. I was at the hospital while he had the first emergency surgery as was Chris Wilson. We saw our friend in need and took action. Today he had a procedure to map all of the veins in his leg because unfortunately he is going to require a skin graft to cover the open wound in his leg. For those of you who personally know John then you know he does not have a disposable income. He has two daughters that he has put through college including graduate school and struggles to make ends meet just like the rest of us. So that being said if you wish to donate please do so if not I ask that you respect our effort and see the bigger picture. All of this really can't be good for the healing process. In retrospect there are things I would of done differently, but this is where we are at now.
After speaking with JL I am leaving the chipin up for now. I decided to listen to the majority and not the couple lone wackadoos. Russ no one spearheads their own fundraiser from their hospital bed. It's also super rude to tell someone they are not cut out for this forum.
Krista, I did not say he would spearhead his own fundraiser. Read closer.
As for rudeness, TFB. I don't know you and your initial posts on this forum were meltdown material. I think you even called out a longtime poster for a catfight. I stand by my posts and my thoughts on YOUR fundraiser. I can tell already we ain't gonna get along, so I'll leave it at that.
Sorry Russ I didn't realize I had to be somebody who Is "known" on this forum to try and make a difference in a friends life. I'll just go burry my head in the sand and be a good little bitch so all you big shots can talk about doing something.
Chris Wilson: Sorry Russ I didn't realize I had to be somebody who Is "known" on this forum to try and make a difference in a friends life. I'll just go burry my head in the sand and be a good little bitch so all you big shots can talk about doing something.
I agree Russ. I should have directed my first post at you and not crimpgirl. You can dish it out, but you sure can't take it... I went back and read her posts so accept my apologies please.
Wow Russ you must really get off on being pain to people trying to help. This is why we didn't post here. Too many nay sayers. Enjoy your life and be well.
Dear fellow climbers. John Long requested that we make a brief statement regarding his accident that occurred on 11/29/12 at approximately 8:30pm. John wanted us to confirm that he fell due to an unfinished knot, and suffered a compound fracture to the lower left leg. The rest of the details of the accident are John’s to tell.
Here is a direct quote from John, “Thank you to the Rockreation staff
and members for keeping it together and not panicking in the face of a very scary situation. I consider it my best moment when I saw the gravity of the situation and was somehow able to keep it together and receive the support of the Rockreation Staff.”
Point one: I've been on the NET since the UNIX days, just us bitheads then. Around 20 years ago this thing started called AOL, and well yeah, American came online. Been like this thread ever since.
Point two: Consequently, everything you do online, and especially a fundraiser or similar, has to be approached, planned, and handled carefully. Or it will lose its intent and potential.
Point three: Everyone I know loves John Long, a bigger than life character, our own John Wayne, but funnier. :) Clearly a working guy, clearly hurt, clearly we want to help him. But, if some thought could go into not embarrassing him in the process that would be most considerate on our parts.
As has been said since the www was burgeoning, "please read back over your post, and think for a minute, before you hit "send."
Oftentimes it's fun to write a big flame and then just delete it rather than post it. Let's off some steam, but then doesn't lead to a bunch of wasted messages.
I might be a noob to this forum but, i can trade bitch slaps all day long. Maybe Russ and I could raise a dollar per slap but, somebody else will have to hold the money to give to John. Now enough of this high school behavior and lets get on with helping our friend Largo.
It's nice to see things getting a bit ironed out!
I'm not being facetious with that.
We don't really have steerage yet, but we have an interim fund going.
Ricky said he would organize the spring party (fundraiser portion).
Maria is our industry connection if we want one.
Now we all know something more about the accident and some details about John's current progress.
If the chipin thing is no longer valid, then the link should be taken down. I just donated to it *before* reading to the end of this thread. So.. what's the deal?
Hey Forest, I just refunded your money. The chipin is still active for those wishing to donate. John knows about the fund and has endorsed it on Rock and Ice. Sorry for the confusion.
Hey Dean....jsut read the first post you put up, noticed my name. Fer sure I'll be all in to help out, just give me the word and I'll start the wheels movin'. Timing may be a bit tricky on my end, I might be back in Colorado Springs for a spell end of April, beginning of May. Either Way I can do whatever needs to be done. We'll talk.
Peace
Thanks Forest, and thank you for your donation. I defiantly could have done things a little differently and wish I would have. It was the best I could do at the time. I understand that people have been scammed before so it makes sense that you make sure your money is going where you intend it to go. My intention was to give John a little cushion for when he is released from the hospital so he can concentrate on his rehab and not be so overwhelmed with the bills and such that have racked up. So thanks everyone for your contributions and thanks to everyone for keeping it on the up and up so that we make sure these funds in the future are well intended. I will keep the chipin up until John decides to end it. I look forward to a huge party in the future that John can participate in and enjoy with the community that has shown lots of love in their own way, you guys are awesome!
I defiantly could have done things a little differently
You definitely were a bit defiant. ;-)
Cheers for taking the initiative to help, and for weathering the Supertopo Storm™ (which was actually pretty tame, IMKSHO).
I'm glad you understand the initial skepticism - the Bachar fiasco was (and still is) completely unconscionable,
and there were even a bunch of people who repeatedly chimed in vouching for Tim Greene.
So I posted a link to the chipin for John on Rockreations Facebook page after they posted John's thank you to them. The link has now been removed. Whats up with that? Why wouldn't they want to help out?
They do it for John, they'd have to do it for every climber that got an oweeee and cried "help". They could also perceive some liability issues that reinforces the fact John got hurt badly there.
Just my thoughts,
I am Jeff Leads athlete manager for prAna. Please count us in, to donate products from prana, however the group see fit. In addition the Winter Trade Show is next month and I'll be attending as usual. If there is any interest in doing something there for John, I would be more than happy to co-ordinate or be a point of contact for any help there. Hell, I would even go around and ask for donations or products, or...
Dean, can I get a recap on what is needed to get this fund rasier up and going? I'm a bit lost in the BS. I am available to help with whatever is needed, anytime.
Thanks, TY
Hello all, I represent Adidas Outdoor in the Rockies and we want to donate some product to raffle off for the JL fundraiser. Who is my contact and please get a hold of me.
Hey Chris...
The link was deleted from Rockreation's Facebook page per John's request. He specifically stated to management at Rockreation that he would let us know when he wanted our help and participation in a fundraising effort for him. Out of respect for his wishes we said that we would not begin any fundraising plans until further notice by him nor endorse any others without his consent. I will speak with him directly about your particular fundraising effort and ask if he wishes to have it posted on our Facebook page.
Thank you.
HME
HME,
Cool beans. Just trying to let everyone know about the fund and figured that those that visit your page, meaning Rockreation, would like to know about it. I'm sure John would give you the ok next time you talk to him.
There is no event framework or punch list at the moment.
I recommend getting in touch with Ron Gomez and start roughing one out.
He knows what to do in general and you can start figuring out where you might want to fit in.
For starters you have Jeff Leeds and Adidas just a few posts up to respond to. I'd recommend getting together with Maria and Ron Gomez for a conference call and see if she can just start right in with those industry folks. She'll want to talk with Ricky to get a sense of how he thinks the benefit ought to go and what kind of industry help is most desired.
I just spoke with Ron Gomez.
Through the weekend he is going to get in touch with Dean, Ricky, Maria and Tony to sort this thing out for proper a kickoff.
I see $3,422 listed as the total through December 3 (last night couchmaster said it was at $3700, so unless someone got a refund, the tool isn't updating through that link).
Krista?
[EDIT] yes of course refreshing: refreshing the page doesn't always change it and the date timeline remains December 3. That thing is clunky. But it's collecting money so that's great, thanks!
The fund is around $4300 tonight. Sometimes you just need to refresh the chipin widgit. Thanks again for all of your donations, I'm going to get a check to JL tomorrow.
Sorry about the widget it works on my end, but will be closed tonight. Thanks for the donations.
Hi everyone. Sorry to have lagged on responding but I'm still having procedures done and that is taking all of my time and energy. Should be done soon.
As you might know, when I was still out of it entirely, my friends Krista and Chris set up a fund and while their intentions are strictly honorable, some confusion arose from those who I work with who know that I am NOT in a financial crisis at this time. Perhaps that time will come - I've worked and saved for years but this is likely a near million dollar injury cha cha cha.
Anyway, because this is quickly turning into a situation that is over my head, impossible to orchestrate from this bed, my original climbing and high school friend Eric (Ricky) Accomazzo (my attorney) is from now on handling all affairs related to funraisers, me, etc. Rick Accomazzo is not only a much celebrated climber, but also trusted person in the outdoor industry and long-time advocate of the ACCESS FUND. Krista and Rick have talked so the transition to Rick having power of attorney over my affairs is now a plain fact understood by all.
That much said, I very much appreciate what Krista and Chris did while I was in surgery and the many kind responses. But this is a complicated business and I am glad to have my childhood friend and original Stonemaster Rock Accomazzo now in charge.
Yeah, sorry to hear that it is such a serious injury.
The Taco's own "Buster" is a top flight orthopod, a scottish climber from way back who knew all the old crowd.
Say the word and I'm confidant that you can get a valuable consult, John.
Sounds like the fund is only going to be small help, but that things are under control. Good for that.
(but I still think Crimpie would have gotten Krista to tap out in the second)
We haven't seen any pix of Krista. She might be MMA rad all the way.
I just wanna see who taps out in the lap dance off!
(I look forward to it being me.) But how can I be an impartial judge unless I'm subjected to both of them? But based on the only available information at this point, It's gonna be hard to beat Crimper.
Hang in there John, you've got a big team behind you.
We have a guy on our fire crew....59 years old. Last May, while on a fire, he put his boot between two big branches a fell, snapping his ankle at a 90* angle. It looked bad and you know, when you get to be our age its just going to be a longer recovery. Well, he was in pretty good shape before and by last month he was walking without his walking sticks and moving along better than ever............So, hang in there John!
I've done aid climbs after limping up the approach with a crutch.
Largo should do a route on the big stone and use the Americans with Disabilities Act to demand a BASE permit to allow descent for a handicapped person.
Toker Villian
I don't think Largo qualifies as I could for medical malpractice
administrative hearing mistakes. However I won't take from that
for that.
Update: I'm not sure of a discharge date, but he is scheduled for surgery this morning to remove the outer rods and such and place interior plates and pins in. Not sure if the they are doing the skin graft to close the wound or not. I'm gonna be there later and I'll try to get some more info for you all. Send some good vibes!
Toker Villian
I don't think Largo qualifies as I could for medical malpractice
administrative hearing mistakes. However I won't take from that
for that.
NoTokeRedKneck,
great second taco post! Better leave the writing to Largo,...
Krista,
thanks for the update, glad you are dialed in to the ST culture now.
We're all pulling for John.
They were waiting for the swelling to go down thats why it's been a while, and getting prepped for the graft. I know it's a long time for ortho, but hopefully they're gonna get it right the first time.
As a survivor of several major surgeries -- including having my chest cracked wide open not once, but three times -- I believe it is preferable that the surgeons take their time. The only thing that has ever made me itchy for a quick exit from the hospital was the really bad food at the UCSD medical center.
Spoke to John this morning. Here is what is happening:
John is having surgery today, apparently the last one. The leg appears to be healing properly and he is looking forward to getting out of the hospital in a week or so.
I am going to sit down with John after he gets out of the hospital and evaluate with him the need for future fundraising efforts. If there is a need and John wants us to go ahead, we will then make plans for a coordinated and robust fundraiser. We will announce it on this thread and start a new one at that time.
John wanted to thank Krista again for the "chip in" fundraising effort. She is going to deliver proceeds to him today. These funds will be used to defray the costs of his daughter's travel expenses and for other incidentals during his hospital stay. As of today, John wants the interim, "chip in' fundraising effort shut down.
To all those who have contributed money, offered thoughts and prayers, and suggested ideas for fundraising, John thanks you. To all who want to help John, please hold those thoughts until we evaluate the need and then announce a fundraising goal to fill that need.
The outpouring of good will from this community is palpable and heart warming. John is very moved by this and appreciates it greatly.
I am going to sit down with John after he gets out of the hospital and evaluate with him the need for future fundraising efforts.
If there is a need and John wants us to go ahead, we will then make plans for a coordinated and robust fundraiser. We will announce it on this thread and start a new one at that time.
To all who want to help John, please hold those thoughts until we evaluate the need and then announce a fundraising goal to fill that need.
Thanks for that update and clarification Ricky ... until then, heal up John ... and:
Survival,
I thought that after the Bachar debacle we were gonna keep Don King out of it.
And you may not know that Crimpie is the only black belt to master the "flying toe jam".
I will say a prayer for a speedy recovery.
I will donate to any fund which helps the families devastated by the loss of a child.
If the medical bills get too much, how bout a book signing? Garage sale? Another short stories book?
Dec 10, 2012 - 02:07pm PT
Anyone who contributed and wishes a refund please e-mail me. For those of you wishing to donate I will make sure it gets to John and post proof that it has.
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:13am PT
The fund is around $4300 tonight. Sometimes you just need to refresh the chipin widgit. Thanks again for all of your donations, I'm going to get a check to JL tomorrow.
Sorry about the widget it works on my end, but will be closed tonight. Thanks for the donations.
Credit: Hardman Knott
Well since you offered, I would indeed like to see the check for $4,422.00 - and confirmation that John received it.
To answer the question in your deleted post, I was holding off until it was clear that this whole thing was on the up and up...
So let's put this thing to rest and "post proof" that all the money raised (four thousand, four hundred and twenty two dollars) has been received by John Long.
Yes, John himself says the "chip in" fundraiser is legit.
But, having done these things a bunch of times through the years... takes alot of the worry out if you have the person, e.g. John Long, create a paypal account (if they don't already have one). With the funds going directly to their paypal account via their established email and banking information. There's options with paypal to have it either auto transfer into their banking account or even have it left in their paypal account for them to use the free paypal debit card to spend the money.
If the fundraiser is setup to go directly into the beneficiaries bank account, rather than someone else's account, it just makes everyone feel alot more comfortable about contributing. Enuf said. :)
I don't have a dog in this fight. Let it go and let's just keep the peace.
Edit: Aww screw it. I have no idea what all is going on in this thread; it has bounced around so many times and I have more crap going on in my life to care.
I know that I saw a post from Largo that said Rick Accomozzo(spelled wrong?) is handling his matters related to
this issue. You all may not know Krista, but you probably do know him.
Why not consider contacting him to get the information you desire?
It's unfortunate that this whole thing has gone down the way it has,
but it would seem to me that a word with Rick might help answer the questions you have.
It's only Russ and Hardman who don't get it at this point.
Russ bullying me is one thing, but when he starts in on people like Krista it's more than I can take.
He can dish it out but he sure can't take it.
I have offered my home and matching funds, that would make Largo 5000, but Russ has just bullied, and attacked people, trying to help.
Edit, Happie as I recall Russ has bullied you as well, he's not going to call Rick or his best friend Largo, he'd rather play ass hat on the net. It's time you guys wake up to the real man behind..
Fish Products.
Russ you asked me repeatedly to return all of the money. What do you even care? Get over yourself nobody wants to hump your leg or anything else for that matter...
Russ you asked me repeatedly to return all of the money. What do you even care
I care because I think it would be swell if the good people who donated were shown the proof (that you offered to show) that their money reached its final destination.
Roy: as of yesterdays report, the op was longer than anticipated, involved a muscle graft as well as skin, was pretty complicated, and went well.
Visited John yesterday in the hospital. He was just coming off his last surgery and was very happy to be done with a long series of procedures. We talked for about an hour and his spirits are good, considering all he has been through. He is getting great care by some of the best in the business at a modern and wonderful hospital. He says the prognosis is that he will heal up completely with time.
He will be in the hospital for a while longer, as much as two weeks. His leg is elevated by a pulley system. I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)
I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)
That subject alone should have been good for three threads and 1,000 posts.
Ahhhh, finally some GUD news and useful information on John. Thanks Ricky, good to talk with you the other day and glad you made it out to see family and John. Hope to see you in January if you get back out. Take care and thanks for the update.
Peace
^^^ as per his nutritionist, that's a live game delivery slide. note greasy napkins ...
and the wiley gaze commonly seen only in the blue cloak, crested velociraptor
It's a tent that pushes hot air around his leg and keeps the flap warm. Good circulation is crucial at this point so the flap takes. They test it every hour and listen for the pulse through the graft to check. I'm sure he'd rather it be a blow up doll though... BTW Ricks knot was great, but I couldn't stop thinking of horrible jokes either...
For anyone who has been as active as John, lying inert for so long can drive ya stir-crazy. Here's to keeping your lid locked down tight John.
Are there any books on your reading list that you don't have now that you would like to read now that you have the time? lol sorry for the tortured english:D
On Saturday Bridwell, Bullwinkle and I dropped in for a bit to say hi. Within minutes the room was full of friends and family. As we were leaving more folks were arriving. It's great to see such an outpouring of love and support for John.
Merry Christmas to all of you who lavished such Love and concern on me during the dog days early on. And an especially Merry Christmas to those who might find themselves alone today.
"I'll be home for Christmas,
If only in my dreams."
And that's no a problem as I've always believed in dreaming.
Thank you everyone for keeping me in your thoughts and prayers.
His leg is elevated by a pulley system. I helped a nurse adjust the contraption holding up his leg and was able to make myself useful by tying a secure double bowline to hold the counterweights. John and I joked to the nurse about the importance of deferring to an expert like myself to make sure that nothing could possibly go wrong with the knot. :)
John,
Glad to see you are getting better. I remember the time I spent in the hospital after I broke my back and how sweet it was when I finally escaped.
Hope that happens soon for you. Merry Christmas! Cheers to you Rick for being there for your buddy...
Chappy
Merry Christmas to all of you who lavished such Love and concern on me during the dog days early on. And an especially Merry Christmas to those who might find themselves alone today.
We're with you John, because home is where the heart is. And from what I can tell, your heart is in an awful lot of places. Bring in the new year with some new light...
Visited John on Christmas day and he is rapidly improving, flirting with some nurses, conversing in Spanish with others. However he has to stay in the hospital for another week so the healing of the skin graft on his shin can be monitored. He does pullups on the trapeze thing above his head and his arms are still like young tree trunks. He is looking good, but "ho man," he had a lot of work on that leg.
I am back in Colorado so won't be seeing him in the next few days. I encourage those of you in So Cal to visit him at UCLA hospital over the end of the year and into the New Year.
John is unconquerable, but a month in the hospital is the essence of type III fun: not fun while doing it and even less fun in retrospect.
Let's hear some New Year's greetings and wishes for John.
Visited with John again the other night. He was doing great. Pain and discomfot are the early and constant companions of the healing. But the Dude abides! John's spirit is bigger than the myth. We jaw jacked for a few hours and I left him with some very tasty pastries as requested!
TY
He does pullups on the trapeze thing above his head
OK! Excellent, JL. Try working up to a front lever!
Seriously, miss your pithy and articulate posts, your turn of phrase and your humor . . . they make even the most dreadful thread a pleasure to follow.
Most Excellent. The Vitamin D from the sun exposure can only help the healing process.
Doing good Mr. Largo.
And you no doubt appreciate being surrounded by good friends. That works even better than the Vit. D.
Companionship, the most essential nutrient.
Turns out, those heavy hospital wheelchairs are much easier to control wheelies with. I got pretty good at it when I got hit by that rock that Collins pulled off the Diving Board.
When Warren McDonald let me try his ultralight high performance chair it was really squirrely and tippy.
But you might want to heal up a little more before you go tearing around on 2 wheels there John, since there is a learning curve that likely includes a wipe out or three.
John was released from the hospital on Thursday after 5 weeks there. He's at home and resting now and will rehab his leg back like the mofo he is. He's spry and well.
Let us know!