Steve "Shipooploi" Schneider cries "THIEF"


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Dec 6, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Just when I was wondering what passes for intellectual discourse at Bootjack Middle School, this thread comes along.


Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Overall it's pretty clear that he is a climber,

Mighty, by reading his posts, I fully agree with you.

But I know who you are and what your background are, so I have a great deal of respect for you and what you have to say about all things climbing.

On the other hand I have a long time stoner friend who was one of the world's great climbing groupies, and an intellectual to boot. He could talk circles around most climbers but basically couldn't climb his way out of a paper bag, most especially if it included any leading, period.

Therefore, I took anything and every high minded sounding thing he had to say about badass climbing with MANY grains of salt.

So....granite holds little water with his shpoopi hate, just sayin'....

Trad climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
So is there a consensus? Suppose one with no information has observed fixed lines over a three month period. There seem to be three options.

1. No action
2. Inform Jesse of their presence
3. Remove them (all) and take them to Lost and Found

if it's el cap, option 1: do nothing. el cap is pretty public. it's a small place. if ropes have been there for 3 mos, jesse will already know about them.

obvious exceptions for attractive hazards like a fix with a bad anchor. or something that's ganking some other route. barring some shift in the consensus to the point that all fixing is eliminated, i can't see any support for someone jugging up and yanking tommy's ropes off the dawn project.

that said, it's pretty easy to project a bit into the future and see that there are going to be management issues involving fixing. some of those will overlap with other touchy questions, like the cables on half dome.

i like karl's suggestion that we fix free rider for minitraxing. i could drive out on weekends and tr the damn thing.

(heh-- sorry karl)

The Larry

Moab, UT
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Credit: The Larry

A long way from where I started
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:03pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!
You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

The high level of witty repartee and intellectual debate is why I love Supertopo so much.
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
Kinda hafta agree with the heavy handed Braun on this one. Two guys who've called for heads in the recent past, not surprising they would experience a little backlash.

State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool ....

perhaps anders nose is mis-directed?

Trad climber
Flank of the Bighorns
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
@TheLarry- that photo reminds me of this:


Sport climber
San Diego, CA
Dec 6, 2012 - 02:43pm PT
Hey, Anders isn't stupid!!!

Dec 6, 2012 - 02:46pm PT
The "brown" nose tools got recalled. The other sizes (blue, yellow, green) seem to not be affected by the recall.

Has anyone actually pull tested a brown nose tool?

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:35pm PT

Is honesty really ones best policy???...

"So fuk you Anders !!!!

You're a stupid brown nose tool"


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
so where we at with all of this? I dont want to review the whole thing- just a summary of:

and fries do we have now??

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 03:38pm PT
Time to answer some fan mail.

Mr. Erik Wolfe Borghoff:
The real kicker for me was when he started his thread AFTER Madbolter got on the other thread and said Steve stepped up, did the right thing and was forgiven (yet again!).

Did that matter one whit to this 3rd party intardnet wanker? No.

This thread was started at "Dec 5, 2012 - 12:15am PT" - that's 12:15 in the morning (15 minutes after midnight) on Dec 5th. Madbolter got on the other thread at "Dec 5, 2012 - 04:46am PT."

So Madbolter's post was over four and a half hours after mine.

The good Mr. Borghoff is chronologically challenged.

Madbolter, what the hell were you doing on Supertopo at 4:45 in the morning?

Vitaliy M. to someone else:

Well as long as guys like you keep taking it up the a*# and keep smiling at the 'bozos' that fix several sets of lines on the same climb it will keep happening. Enjoy. If you had a penis maybe you would speak up about this inconvenience you had.

I saw the post you changed on the other thread. You posted almost at the same time as me and you quoted the karma line from Steve's post and ridiculed. Later you went back and changed your post to make it look like you were responding to my comment.

I'm not going to make any comments about your penis or lack of penis, because I think that's misogynistic. Don't dis people with vaginas.

his intent to clean the ropes is substantiated by the fact that he went back to clean them in between the storms. given the circumstances as described in these threads, i can't see good grounds for describing the ropes as abandoned trash.

There are two players in this. Steve, who had his ropes taken down, and some second person who removed the ropes. This is a real person who is living and breathing right now. If we accept Steve's judgment, we should hound this person down and have him arrested and put into jail as a thief.

But we do not know who this person is and what he was thinking when he took the ropes down. If he knew that they were Steve's and Steve was going to come back for them, then he is a thief. If he did not know that and just saw the rope as mank being abandoned after the end of the season, then he was not a thief.

I respect Steve's judgment on climbing matters, but do not think he is in superior position then any of us to label anyone who took his stuff as "thief."

I've already said that if my ropes were taken I'd probably be ranting about thieves also, but that would not mean that I'm right.

Social climber
State of KUMBAYA!!!
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:45pm PT

Someone posted that they were pretty sure graniteclimber was a woman...

and then this...

"I'm not going to make any comments about your penis or lack of penis, because I think that's is misogynist. Don't dis people with vaginas."...

I don't think granite is deserving of a BOOTING personally and even think some of her/his(???) posts are pretty humorous...

Of course I don't read many of the threads and MAY be missing a lot of what is causing the ruckus...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
i think that NEVER becoming a "valley-ite" was the smartest thing i ever did in climbing. I could smell it in the air in 77/78. Aint much changed all in all..

some things are a sure bet in a season in Yos.

A) there will be deaths
B) there will be rescues
C) there will be arguements regarding El Cap.


Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:12pm PT
A few days ago, a new poster started yet another 11/9 conspiracy theory thread. Both poster and thread disappeared within an hour. A not so subtle reminder as to the purpose of this forum, at least in the view of SuperTopo management, who removed them.

Perry then started a thread about the possibility of civil discussion of such theories, however kooky they are - It quickly morphed into the usual back and forth, which I should have known better than to add to - and usually do. Although the hamsters were a fun way to mock the 'believers', I've deleted mine. But perhaps some of the believers have a martyr complex, and feel that such satire validates their beliefs?

As for the rest, there's no need to turn this into another 'appreciation' thread. I mean, I'm glad that I'm held in such high esteem, and am so well respected, but this has to stop. It's embarrassing. I'm just a ka-lu-less sheeple, eh?

Yosemite Valley National Park
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:15pm PT

For GC and Anders.

The Larry get's the credit for this gem. Good Ole Lemmiwinks.

Gym climber
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:17pm PT
^^fuking beat me to Lemiwinks you did^^

Thats some funny ass sh#t right there.
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