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John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:03am PT
So by making the original post in this thread you have committed a felony.

too funny..

What does the dude owe you?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:08am PT
"nameless, faceless and dickless detractors,"

You mean kind of like what Steve "ShitPOOPloi" Schneider was for THIRTY YEARS!? That's how long it took him to come forward.

If I come forward even 29 years from now, I will have him beat!

Also, I don't have any CRIMES to come forward and apologize for.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:08am PT
Where's that popcorn gif??

Oh, here's one...



Hope you get your gear back, Mr. Shipoopie. [very sincerely]

But perhaps "stolen" is not the case.

But what do I know. I'm not an El Cap climber. Just a Yosemite lover & nature freak...

Edit 2: Since "nameless" seems to be an issue, call me Kent...
MisterE

Social climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:09am PT
Yes, there's noting like having Graniteclimber trying to rough up your balls after he massages his own.

So "Granite" do you still have to hide under your rock of "I'm all that and I have really climbed things beyond some 40' slab" in Josh to feel you matter ?

Please, spare me the withering keyboard comment from that digital comfort station you hold between your legs.

Who could stand the assault of that so strong brain of yours ?

Jim: Well played, Sir. LOL.

Hope you get your ropes back, Steve!
jstan

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:13am PT
From unexpected voices I am hearing it is perfectly OK to leave stuff on the rock for a long time. Is this really the consensus here?

Get away from the personal stuff for a moment, if you will. Is that what we feel?

Much as I hope Steve gets his stuff back, if the consensus is as it seems to be

we have a problem much bigger than some ropes.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:15am PT
From unexpected voices I am hearing it is perfectly OK to leave stuff on the rock for a long time. Is this really the consensus here?

It depends who is leaving the stuff.

If it is someone the speakers of the unexpected voices have been brown-nosing, that is different then if it is someone else.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:18am PT
What ?

Or if you need unnecessary comment "climber of granite", that was an unintelligible statement from an as#@&%e... That being you !
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:22am PT
A question of ethics.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/228996/Mt-Watkins-a-question-of-ethics

Who said this?

This whole thread is one of the more stunning I have encountered. Call me an arse, but if I find gear that is more than a few days old... it is coming down. I'll cut it AND pack it out. Littering a route is just that: littering. Advancing the sport? Bite me! Advancing the ego, more like. There was a time (and a few climbers) who believed that a single slip on the lead was reason enough not to attempt the route again. I never advocated that, but I do believe that climbing, like life, is about style.

Back on the SFHD thread I asked the question of what's next on this slippery slope? Is it okay to glue holds on the Shield so it can be done "free"? If someone is too fat for the Narrows can they enlarge the slot at will? Seriously, what IS acceptable? I know some of you are callin' me names right now and saying the old guys are all self-righteous but, Fuk with Ditch and you are not a climber. You are an as#@&%e.

We don't know who you are. We don't know what you want. If you are looking for fame, We can tell you, you won't get it. But what you will get is our very particular set of skills; skills we have acquired over a very long career of living in the dirt. Skills that make us a nightmare for people like you. If you clean up your act now, that'll be the end of it. We will not look for you, We will not pursue you. But if you don't, we will look for you, we will find you, and we will hurt you.

THE VALLEY IS NOT A SPORT GYM!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:23am PT
Really, "granite " and whom else likes to stand tall and tow the line,what is the advantage to your insignificant personal life ?

I know you may not (and may) be including me in your comment...

But for the sake of argument, Mr. Brennan:

Advantages of standing tall and towing the line include (but are not limited to):

 Formation of ethics
 Wilderness areas less encumbered by climber detritus

Best,

Kent
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:26am PT
Steve, I hope you get your gear back.

There was some unfortunate presumption about fixed ropes and who was the real thing back when in Squamish.

Craig Thomson and I had to drive to Bellingham once to reclaim personal property some whatevers thought was free. It wasn't. Just the start of modern regardless thievery.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:29am PT
Kent,

Is a project more worthy of respect if the protagonists are well known, sponsored and acclaimed than some regular Joe ?

Explain the ethics of popularity.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:32am PT
Just the start of modern regardless thievery masked as entitlement based on internet thinking on the ground.

Good Sir,

I reject your assertion that this is modern internet thinking.

Growing up (30-ish years ago [edit: 40-ish?]) -- prior to "the internet" -- when you left your sh#t lying around, it was simply fair game.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:33am PT
Is a project more worthy of respect if the protagonists are well known, sponsored and acclaimed than some regular Joe ?

Explain the ethics of popularity.

From my experience, the answer would be "no".

Sh#t left lying around doesn't garner special favors if it was left by the well-known.

But, then, I believe in treating people equally.
chez

Social climber
chicago ill
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:35am PT
I had a fixed line to the Lost Arrow Spire stolen the day after i fixed it. Just proves some climbers are A holes. I am actually finding out a lot of climbers are A holes from reading the ST forum.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:39am PT
My "karma" comment doesn't really apply. It would apply if Steve left new gear that clearly was not abandoned, and someone- someone who KNEW that it was not abandoned--stole it or vandalized it.

That did not happen.

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

That is my one question for the Steve-sucker-uppers.

If any of them are able to give me an answer that makes sense, I will take back everything I said and issue a full apology.

Edit: I will even apologize for using the phrase "Steve-sucker-uppers"
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:41am PT
Maybe someone needed them to climb the decompressor route...
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:41am PT
I've more or less always been against permanent fixed ropes on el cap and in favor of fixing where someone is trying to get something done. I'd say be careful about whining about the 24 hour rule. Here's a guy that came back to take down his rig and is getting flamed?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:44am PT
Here's a guy that came back to take down his rig and is getting flamed?

No one is flaming him for coming back to remove his trash. Coming back after a month is late, but better late then never.

It's just a little ridiculous for him to be calling someone a "thief" for removing the trash for him.

Edit:

Why is an old, fuzzy jumaring rope and a few biners so alluring?

I have removed ropes like this, and each time I saw it as a public service and placed the ropes and slings in the first trash can I came across. The biners are usually trash biners that you wouldn't want to add to your rack. I don't toss those, but give them away to noobs who need something to set up top-ropes.

If the ropes are as bad as Steve described, someone probably threw them in the trash.
John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:45am PT
Turn yourself in for defecating in public, malicious destruction of property, and harrassment/vandalism, etc. and repay your victims in cash with interest for the damage you caused them, and then we can talk about who may have packed out your trash for you.

I was just laughing about this statement. It didn't sound like you were upset about leaving fixed gear. It sounded like you were looking for revenge for WOS. Which just sounded nuts to me.

If you are pissed about leaving fixed ropes, then say so, but dragging old sh#t into it that has been worked out is pathetic.

chez

Social climber
chicago ill
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:45am PT
Who ever took the ropes are thieves
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