STOLEN! My fixed lines on thr Real Nose

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Onewhowalksonrocks

Mountain climber
portland, Maine
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:02am PT
After 24hrs you are littering. You should be fined by the cop Jesse. Not wasting our tax dollars helping you get your ropes back.

Your an ASS
John M

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:03am PT
So by making the original post in this thread you have committed a felony.

too funny..

What does the dude owe you?
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:03am PT
As it is, you are threatening criminal prosecution if your "culprit" does not pay you $500 in cash. Your ropes, which you admit are old and worn out, are not worth anywhere near that much. Also for you to threaten criminal prosecution if you don't get paid what you think you are owed is EXTORTION in California.

So by making the original post in this thread you have committed a felony.

You don't need to believe me on this.

Go ahead and ask the ranger next time you talk to him about this.




Edit: I am posting the original post here, because I have a feeling Steve may delete it shortly.



shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland

Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 4, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
Some of you may have sen my inquiries for a partner for the Real Nose, a Grossman/Cole line from the 80's. Although i found a partner, a job offer and subsequent bad weather forced a halt to my attempt this year. Today i walked up to the base to jumar and retrieve my lines which i had fixed straight down from the top of the 5th pitch, and descending through Rock Neurotic, a scary Dave Caunt testpiece. I was shocked, dismayed, bummed and pissed to observe that the bottom 3 lines were gone. apparently, sometime in the last month, a person, or persons had ascended my lines and stolen them.

it really blows. here i was to strip my own lines, having driven up from oakland for the day, to find that some climber/s had basically robbed me. thank you douchbag. i mean, just think of the bad karma involved...a climber ripping off another climber...would somebody actually use these in good conscience.

so, i am looking for clues. if anybody has walked by the base of el cap between the nose and mescalito in the last month, did you see or not see my lines on rock neurotic, and what date did you see or not see them? Please post up. also, has anybody seen 3 white static ropes, a 30meter rope, a 60 meter rope, and a 70 meter rope. they are 11mm statics. espirit if i am correct. they are old and cable like, difficult to rappel, but bomber never-the-less. They do not have factory ends, but rather are lighter melted, and have adhesive tape marking with the length of the rope marked in pen on the tape(probably stripped) by now. My culprit profile(having watched too many episodes of law and order), is a solo male climber, maybe foreign, kind of keeping to himself, with no responsibilities or alliances to anybody, and maybe in camp four right now. To my friends and aquaintances in camp 4 and on rescue, feel free to probe around, but please, no vigilantism. if you suspect somebody, tell the climbing rangers and let them deal with it. The culprit is guilty of stealing $500 worth of rope in a federal park, which i believe is like a full on felony.

I spoke on the phone with climbing ranger Jesse McCaughey(sp?) today and he is heads up on the situation. as far as he knows this was not the act of a ranger removing fixed lines, and he is making a few calls to verify that. Jesse is a great guy and was instrumental in helping me get back some fixed lines i had on el cap before and had been dropped and abandoned on the ground by another party. This last september i had a haulbag stolen from the top of the first pitch in Lost in America, a brown metolius half dome. anybody got any beta on that? is was when andy kirkpatrick was fixing on the trip that it was apparently stolen. Is somebody out there with a vendetta against me?

What i would really like to just happen is to have my ropes returned to me, without all the rangers getting involved. so, if the person/s who bootied my ropes is reading this, i will offer you an out. i know personnally what it is like to be a dick and feel bad for it afterwards(see Wings of Steel). If you return my ropes to me, or offer me a satisfactory monetary compensation, AND a personal apology to me, then i promise to forgive you and that will be the end of it. No rangers, no prosecution, no big deal.

REWARD OFFERED To anybody that gives information leading to the arrest and prosecution of said culprit, I will pay them a reward of $100.

Sincerely, Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider, Oakland, Ca
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:08am PT
"nameless, faceless and dickless detractors,"

You mean kind of like what Steve "ShitPOOPloi" Schneider was for THIRTY YEARS!? That's how long it took him to come forward.

If I come forward even 29 years from now, I will have him beat!

Also, I don't have any CRIMES to come forward and apologize for.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:08am PT
Where's that popcorn gif??

Oh, here's one...



Hope you get your gear back, Mr. Shipoopie. [very sincerely]

But perhaps "stolen" is not the case.

But what do I know. I'm not an El Cap climber. Just a Yosemite lover & nature freak...

Edit 2: Since "nameless" seems to be an issue, call me Kent...
MisterE

Social climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:09am PT
Yes, there's noting like having Graniteclimber trying to rough up your balls after he massages his own.

So "Granite" do you still have to hide under your rock of "I'm all that and I have really climbed things beyond some 40' slab" in Josh to feel you matter ?

Please, spare me the withering keyboard comment from that digital comfort station you hold between your legs.

Who could stand the assault of that so strong brain of yours ?

Jim: Well played, Sir. LOL.

Hope you get your ropes back, Steve!
jstan

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:13am PT
From unexpected voices I am hearing it is perfectly OK to leave stuff on the rock for a long time. Is this really the consensus here?

Get away from the personal stuff for a moment, if you will. Is that what we feel?

Much as I hope Steve gets his stuff back, if the consensus is as it seems to be

we have a problem much bigger than some ropes.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:15am PT
From unexpected voices I am hearing it is perfectly OK to leave stuff on the rock for a long time. Is this really the consensus here?

It depends who is leaving the stuff.

If it is someone the speakers of the unexpected voices have been brown-nosing, that is different then if it is someone else.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:18am PT
What ?

Or if you need unnecessary comment "climber of granite", that was an unintelligible statement from an as#@&%e... That being you !
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:22am PT
A question of ethics.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/228996/Mt-Watkins-a-question-of-ethics

Who said this?

This whole thread is one of the more stunning I have encountered. Call me an arse, but if I find gear that is more than a few days old... it is coming down. I'll cut it AND pack it out. Littering a route is just that: littering. Advancing the sport? Bite me! Advancing the ego, more like. There was a time (and a few climbers) who believed that a single slip on the lead was reason enough not to attempt the route again. I never advocated that, but I do believe that climbing, like life, is about style.

Back on the SFHD thread I asked the question of what's next on this slippery slope? Is it okay to glue holds on the Shield so it can be done "free"? If someone is too fat for the Narrows can they enlarge the slot at will? Seriously, what IS acceptable? I know some of you are callin' me names right now and saying the old guys are all self-righteous but, Fuk with Ditch and you are not a climber. You are an as#@&%e.

We don't know who you are. We don't know what you want. If you are looking for fame, We can tell you, you won't get it. But what you will get is our very particular set of skills; skills we have acquired over a very long career of living in the dirt. Skills that make us a nightmare for people like you. If you clean up your act now, that'll be the end of it. We will not look for you, We will not pursue you. But if you don't, we will look for you, we will find you, and we will hurt you.

THE VALLEY IS NOT A SPORT GYM!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:23am PT
Really, "granite " and whom else likes to stand tall and tow the line,what is the advantage to your insignificant personal life ?

I know you may not (and may) be including me in your comment...

But for the sake of argument, Mr. Brennan:

Advantages of standing tall and towing the line include (but are not limited to):

 Formation of ethics
 Wilderness areas less encumbered by climber detritus

Best,

Kent
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:26am PT
Steve, I hope you get your gear back.

There was some unfortunate presumption about fixed ropes and who was the real thing back when in Squamish.

Craig Thomson and I had to drive to Bellingham once to reclaim personal property some whatevers thought was free. It wasn't. Just the start of modern regardless thievery.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:29am PT
Kent,

Is a project more worthy of respect if the protagonists are well known, sponsored and acclaimed than some regular Joe ?

Explain the ethics of popularity.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:32am PT
Just the start of modern regardless thievery masked as entitlement based on internet thinking on the ground.

Good Sir,

I reject your assertion that this is modern internet thinking.

Growing up (30-ish years ago [edit: 40-ish?]) -- prior to "the internet" -- when you left your sh#t lying around, it was simply fair game.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:33am PT
Is a project more worthy of respect if the protagonists are well known, sponsored and acclaimed than some regular Joe ?

Explain the ethics of popularity.

From my experience, the answer would be "no".

Sh#t left lying around doesn't garner special favors if it was left by the well-known.

But, then, I believe in treating people equally.
chez

Social climber
chicago ill
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:35am PT
I had a fixed line to the Lost Arrow Spire stolen the day after i fixed it. Just proves some climbers are A holes. I am actually finding out a lot of climbers are A holes from reading the ST forum.
graniteclimber

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:39am PT
My "karma" comment doesn't really apply. It would apply if Steve left new gear that clearly was not abandoned, and someone- someone who KNEW that it was not abandoned--stole it or vandalized it.

That did not happen.

Steve left really old worn out ropes up on the wall for a month. He says that they are old and so stiff and cable like that it is difficult to rap on them.

Why would ANY reasonable person NOT think they were abandoned garbage?

That is my one question for the Steve-sucker-uppers.

If any of them are able to give me an answer that makes sense, I will take back everything I said and issue a full apology.

Edit: I will even apologize for using the phrase "Steve-sucker-uppers"
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:41am PT
Maybe someone needed them to climb the decompressor route...
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Trad climber
SLO, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:41am PT
I've more or less always been against permanent fixed ropes on el cap and in favor of fixing where someone is trying to get something done. I'd say be careful about whining about the 24 hour rule. Here's a guy that came back to take down his rig and is getting flamed?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:43am PT
I guess I'm old and in the way, Sttzo. A project used to be obvious for those who were interested in such things.

Climbers on occasion would be douches but that was the exception to the rule of respecting what you came across.

Why is an old, fuzzy jumaring rope and a few biners so alluring?

WTF ? where along the way did it become acceptable to steal climbing gear ?

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