STOLEN! My fixed lines on thr Real Nose


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Dec 5, 2012 - 07:03pm PT
I have a confession to make for something I stole fifty years ago. I stole a really nice shirt, a pair of pants, and a balaclava in the Adirondacks. Some one had left them fixed in a garbage pit and I ignored the possibility they were an essential part of a world shaking project. Now I want to allay anyone's feelings that I am totally without principle. I also could have stolen a pair of socks and a set of underwear. Subliminally I must have allowed for the fact my taking those might have resulted in someone dying. The latter are, after all, essential gear.

I am assured the owner of that clothing is out there reading ST. Therefore I want to apologize here for my heinous disregard and to make a request. i just want you to know that was my favourite shirt for more than ten years. I still have its remains in my nostalgia drawer and will return it if you would like.

If you decide to fix another shirt please make it of the same tartan and size.

Thank you,

On another matter along these lines.

In our efforts to clean up an area that climbers use in JT I am storing some items that were located near the East edge. I need to get them back to their owners. If anyone here knows someone who used the area and had stuff on the East side could you ask them to get in touch with me. Appreciate it.
scuffy b

heading slowly NNW
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:04pm PT
Hey Patrick, as long as you're quoting Georgie Best, here's a good one from
back when he was still playing (and a player):

"If I'd been born ugly, the world would never have heard of Pele."

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
I'm truly concern for SS and his rant, really seems absurd.

The post and it's threatening bad karma and criminal prosecution hit me the wrong way. But I think you nail it in calling it a rant When you think about like that, it really isn't absurd.

If I drove down to the Valley just to take down my ropes and found the ropes gone (no ropes for next project) and my trip wasted (waste of gas, waste of time)I would be angry also and might be doing some ranting of my own, and it could be just as "bad" or worse than anything Steve said.

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
Mighty Hiker....Didn't someone named Warren Harding, a climber equally as well known as Robbins, Pratt put up the first serious climb on the Captain, by far the most well known climb in the world using fixed gear of all sorts, fueling the ethos debate still raging today? Surely your old enough to remember him. I am equally humbled by both Robbins and Harding....

And only Steve Schneider knows his Karmic score: How much good or bad he's done collectively in his life and thus non of us may judge his Karma nor can we judge others'.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 09:54pm PT
If I drove down to the Valley just to take down my ropes and found the ropes gone (no ropes for next project) and my trip wasted (waste of gas, waste of time)I would be angry also and might be doing some ranting of my own, and it could be just as "bad" or worse than anything Steve said.

What? Sanity and Balance is taking hold on this thread?! The Mayan are right! The transformation of the world is at hand



Trad climber
OAK (nee NH)
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
Steve, my former neighbor and generally good guy and someone I would consider a friend,

Do yourself a favor and delete this thread. Seriously. I don't want to have to visit you in prison.

Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:46am PT
THREAD DRIFT (but this thread could use a bit of lightheartedness)

Scuffy B

One of the best but flawed

I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered.
George Best

I used to go missing a lot... Miss Canada, Miss United Kingdom, Miss World.
George Best

I've stopped drinking, but only while I'm asleep.
George Best

In 1969 I gave up women and alcohol - it was the worst 20 minutes of my life.
George Best

I once said Gazza's IQ was less than his shirt number and he asked me: "What's an IQ?"
George Best, Best on Paul Gascoigne.

I was in for 10 hours and had 40 pints - beating my previous record by 20 minutes.
George Best, regarding a blood transfusion for his liver transplant

Scuffy what's the one story, he's in The Ritz, and the room service waiter comes in to see Best and Miss World on the bed with loads of pounds notes scattered all over, and the waiter says: "Where did it all go wrong Mr Best?"

I knew a guy in London and he was drinking mates with Best. He said that George always wanted to pick a table near the women's toilets. "Why?", "Because at some point tonight, every woman is going to have to use the loo," Best replied. And sure enough, women would be leaving their telephone numbers on George's table.

Okay, back to fixed lines, litter and hysterics.

I used to have a football pal, Mike Simon, that I played with on a couple of teams until the the San Jose Earthquakes (the older team in the NASL, not the renamed Houston Dynamo or the new San Jose Earthquakes) drafted him. Mike said that Best was a footballing genius, as he played with Best for the Earthquakes.

In 1982, Northern Ireland having qualified for the 1982 World Cup, NI manager Billy Bingham said he would take a fit George Best to the finals.

Around April, 1982 Middlesborough were bottom of the old English First Division and wanted to sign Best as a 'gate draw', you know, bums on seats in theater talk. The Earthquakes said: "Okay George, go to England, get match fit , go to the World Cup, and then come back to us."

Best went a missing for two weeks on a binge. No World Cup, which some may say why he wasn't a great player. But of course, he was.

A common description of his place in football history is summed up by the quote "Maradona good; Pelé better; George Best."

What does this have to do with climbing? Absolutely nothing, but I did state at the start that it was thread drift.
Scott Thelen

Trad climber
Truckee, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:04am PT
I think it's karma for naming a peak in the Sierra Mt Bandaloop :-}

A friends backyard with the neighbors wifi
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:03am PT
Steve- I am sorry your lines got taken. That is lame. I am not the biggest fan of leaving fixed lines up for long stretches, BUT yours were on an obscurity and were nicely strung up. I saw them at the end of October and they were well out of the way of everything. No reason anyone should have taken them without contacting you or making it known they were doing so.

did you double check it wasn't the NPS?

To (most) of the rest of you --- You don't climb, hike, walk, look at or go near el cap. Don't convolute a real issue with an issue of the past. Shut the f*#k up if you having nothing to say directed at the issue of someone jugging and taking the lines. Go back to your armchair and rub your balls some more.
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:05am PT
Go back to your armchair and rub your balls some more.

I didn't need it, but thank you for the validation. rubrubrubrubrubrub

Big Wall climber
El Portal/Chapel Hill
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:37am PT
+1 Dave!

There is a lot of BS on this thread (~95% of posts) that is not related to the real issues.
Ricardo-Cristobal Marquez

Dec 6, 2012 - 10:50am PT
Soy sólo yo, o son todos Yosemite escaladores un montón de viejos sonaré perras?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 11:10am PT
Didn't some guys named Robbins, Pratt, Chouinard and Frost opine 50 years ago that using fixed ropes in Yosemite wasn't good style? And didn't they do their best to live up to their words? And wasn't that the accepted ethos for decades? So what's changed?

The thing that changed is that those guys weren't trying to climb EL Cap free. The game was merely to "get up" El Cap, and you could even pound as many pitons as you liked in the process

For now, even though I'm not a fan of long term fixed lines, the game even for the elite, involves repeated trips working incredibly hard pitches several number grades harder than those guys dreamed of.

Someday maybe people will be so insanely good they can just go send that stuff onsight but that day doesn't seem so soon


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
Suppose the person had refused to give you the gear you claimed was yours. If you had assaulted that person, since it was only a claim that it was your gear, you would have been charged with assault and battery in another person's residence. Even were your legal defense ultimately successful,

CAUTION! This is the OJ defense. assaulting someone to reclaim one's property.

You know, the guy sitting in jail.

physical attacks are always wrong, legally. Don't let your testoterone put you in the slammer.

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
Let me
Paraphrase what Chief said...
You lost some old shite line you abandon for a month, get over it and harden the Fcuk up.

Edit, I'll give u a 100 bucks to stop posting, about ur True Nose attempt.

Wow, what's cozzie's rub with Steve?

Shpoopi, get back to your desk and sell whatever cozzie's selling!!!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
How many people on this thread have completed a route on el cap?

How many people on this thread have paid taxes for the purchase, upkeep and maintenance of Yosemite?

In other don't own it, Bud.

State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 12:55pm PT

Did I sleep
With ur girlfriend BITD?

You leg humping psycho,

Steve and I r great friends and he works for me, so go F yourself shite bird.

And sure send me a 100 bucks stalker boy.

Edit, I'm truly concern for SS and his rant, really seems absurd.
Guys like Silver and Cragman just make me nervous.


i knew $100 was'nt enough to change human nature.
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:03pm PT
There's no reason to take personal offense or to get paranoid. The ropes probably looked like abandoned junk and could not possibly have any value to anyone else. Someone was just cleaning the sh#t off El Cap and that's to be praised.

Maybe someone is out to get Mr Sneider or was really pissed about the lines being fixed, but I doubt it. Why the topmost rope wasn't taken, I wonder if someone was bailing or rapping a nearby route that joined with this one, and took down the lower ropes but didn't want to go up to get the last one? That's my guess.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
I guess I just don't like the OP approach of what is clearly not a slam dunk situation being described as a federal crime, with a reward offered (oh, and "guilty"....we don't need to bother with courts and such), with discussion of attacks on the "perps".

You do wonder if Steve would have been so forthcoming in his confession of past sins, if the victims had recently posted their consideration that it was a felony and offered a reward.

Steve seems to have a non-understanding of how Karma works. He is willing to bathe in the nurturing forgiveness of others, but is not willing to extend that same spirit to other souls, at least in principle.

Dec 6, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
I like old sayings because they are so true...
This is a really great one for this thread.

If you don't have something nice to say, don't say it.

Plus the purpose of anger is to, protect, defend, and fix problems. Now the anger being expressed on this thread, which is all about beating up a person into a pulp, with no way to appease, correct the situation except by completely dominating your foe. When there is actually nothing at risks beyond people's egoes and ideas. You are just giving yourself a heart attack.

Man, when you are on your death bed, is this B.S. going to be on your mind? If not, then please go do something that would matter, go do the stuff that will bother you when breathing your last breath. The stuff that dying people say that they should have done. Seriously, don't waste your life. Live Bigger than this shiest. Stop wasting your energy here. There is nothing to see, move on.
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