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Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:36am PT
Easy there big fella,

I'm smirking for the fact that almost every time a ghost story comes up it involves a perfectly accountable comfortable person who shockingly comes into contact with ectoplasmic discomfort.

Forget science about all this, my point is that if a life is ended violently or unfairly, all the ghost seers come out for the free wine and "mystery" to solve.

How about applying the same math to all the idealism lying dead after being taken advantage of by your local military recruiter ?

Somehow that doesn't make the grade for threshold pulp fiction. there would be too many books for a market of a known capacity.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:46am PT
Forget science about all this, my point is that if a life is ended violently or unfairly, all the ghost seers come out for the free wine and "mystery" to solve.

No they don't. Most of us who have any sense of the presence of these things never say word one because of people like you. I took a chance because I like Ron. Yes there are people who are attention seekers, and these you see often. These people tend to piss me off, especially the ones who prey on peoples fears. There are plenty of us who very rarely speak up.

What would be the point? To get ridiculed by people like you? No thanks.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:02am PT
Point out the ridicule, then explain the facts you are so covetous of.

Why do ghost stories always involve an individual event ?

Sometimes WAR takes out 1000 people in a second. John, can you please explain how this results in spiritual peace for those who are violently DEAD before their time ?

I think if this reality of being casually dead had any significance for the BS. of metaphysics, there would be an answer that stood up to critical scrutiny.

Please reply.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:04am PT
before their time

How do you know this?


Why do ghost stories always involve an individual event ?

why or how do you presume to know every ghost story/experience?
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:11am PT
So if a book fell to the floor in the middle of the night, from a stack that could not hold the center, would you go OOOOWEEEOOOOWAAAOOOO ?

Stark raving bullshit would be the clinical answer.

Answer this all you "new age" relativist sentimentalists:

You are saying that there is no ridicule in this? Hmmm..
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:14am PT
So you think it's OK to be dead and not fully informed on life at 23 after being herded into WAR ?

There's a really good reason that the military doesn't want to take in males after the age of 25.

It's because those males start thinking about reality and consequences for their actions and may not want to go along with "it's their time".

I don't know when for anyone, but I sure as hell won't presume about "how do I know" like you will.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:19am PT
I don't know when for anyone, but I sure as hell won't presume about "how do I know" like you will.

Nice presumption

So you think it's OK to be dead and not fully informed on life at 23 after being herded into WAR ?

Sometimes people do die before their time. That does not always mean that their soul will stick around. But yes.. depending on ones karma, some can expect to die young.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:21am PT
It's because those males start thinking about reality and consequences for their actions and may not want to go along with "it's their time".

I despise war and believe that the older people should fight them. But I'm not in charge.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:24am PT
Yes I've experienced a book falling from my bookshelf or some piece of food falling from my fridge. It went "thud". Was it a ghost or just gravity making me feel funny after abruptly waking up ?

Of course I could relate it to my synapses doing the work that is what sleep allows in the form of dreams but that's the easy way of explanation for resolving biology VS sentiment.

Excessive sentimentality is a disease not an emotion.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:24am PT
I asked you a basic question. Please answer it. How do you know when someone has died before their time? You see.. I don't believe that a person has just one lifetime. I believe that we have many and that karma carries over from lifetime to lifetime. So if you perhaps were cruel and wasteful of others youth in a previous lifetime, then you might have to experience the waste of your own youth in order to learn a lesson.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:28am PT
Excessive sentimentality is a disease not an emotion.

LOL, damn dude. You certainly know everything.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:29am PT
HAHAHAHA !

Some times people die before their time? Nice of you to apply the assumed bromide !

There's always work in flushing out spirits.

(that was a shot of humour John)
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:34am PT
Sorry Jim. I don't find you to be funny tonight. Maybe I misread you, but I have experienced things that I do not attribute to "excessive sentimentality". If you actually wanted to hear my story rather then make fun of those who believe in things which science can't yet explain, then I might share. But to me your tone is all knowing and derisive. You are so certain that these experiences are just over stimulated synopsis.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:43am PT
AS for wasting youth, I can only feel guilty about this sentiment concerning my own.

I just can't bring the presumption about the youth of others and how they were happy about giving up the ghost !

I'll leave that to you John but won't let romanticism and gullibility hide in the shadows. Someone giving away their life for a political goal...

All politics are in pursuit of a nation's self interest. It never involves chivalry, honor or "glory". Self interest always involves someone else's resources.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:47am PT
I just can't bring the presumption about the youth of others and how they were happy about giving up the ghost !

Well Jim.. I would never presume that they are happy about giving up the ghost. But karma is karma. If you drink and drive at age 18, your chances of dying young increase significantly. You may not want to, but that is the way it is. So no.. I would not presume that someone is happy about dying young.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:56am PT
Too true but that has nothing to do with disembodied spirits finding a happily ever after and a white picket fence.

Everybody really just doesn't know. You wind up dead, you are DEAD !

After that it's a lot of feel good presumption and why it's presumption is because no dead person ever stuck their head out of the ground and said, "hey all you wondering people, it's like this"...
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:59am PT
Everybody really just doesn't know. You wind up dead, you are DEAD !

This is really quite a funny statement Jim. You say that everybody really doesn't know, then you make a statement as if you know. Too funny.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:00am PT
Too true but that has nothing to do with disembodied spirits finding a happily ever after and a white picket fence.

Karma has everything to do with your next experience.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:04am PT
Well I sincerely hope that I die first and never have to experience you poking your head out of the ground and saying, "I told you so".
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:49am PT
I do not like ghosts, do not like that feeling that seems to be in back of me, and am glad that for whatever reason it is, I don't have those experiences in the last several years.--happiegrrrl

This is "paranoia" and I relate entirely, I'm afraid.

happpiegrrl, were you aware of an "aura" of a particular color associated with the feeling? Did it enhance the feeling that whatever was threatening was hidden, "behind you"? This is what I regard as that creepy feeling, like something's creeping up on you, it's hiding, but it's stalking. Did it recur at all later on when you thought of it? Was it orange, by chance? Were you flat-out AFRAID FOR YOUR SOUL?

I have valid reasons for asking, based on experience long in the past, which was likely to have been drug-induced, but that's of no real bearing if you consider fear is fear and it is a commonality among us, brought on by any number of things which are irrelevant. The effect is the same, just the cause is different.

Mice are intersted in fear. It's what keeps us alive as a race. What's to be gained by understanding fear?

Increase in racial harmony.
Higher climbing standards.
Greater insight into the workings of the mind of TM Herbert.

Just to name a few benefits "off the top of my head."
Ichabod and the Horseman of Sleepy Hollow
Ichabod and the Horseman of Sleepy Hollow
Credit: G I


"Ach-choo!" "Doltergeist."

Hey, Lilabiene, how's a spooky little girl like you doing? I don't find it odd your being here, just that you even found time. The fire's a little brighter when you sit in.

JRR lives in the past, but he lives today, as well, only in a different plane. He has a seat between to Larry Hagman and Amy Winehouse on the Astral Plane flight 420 for Dallas this morning. He sent this message--

"...to them the Enemy had given rings of power, and he had devoured them: living ghosts they were become, terrible and evil." (Faramir)

Ghosts was a name commonly used to describe the undead, beings which did not perish after what would be a natural death, but which continued to haunt the living in their after-life. While likely often the product of a vivid imagination, the dealings of the Fellowship of the Ring with several types of undead testify that ghosts were a reality in Middle-earth.

In the late Third Age, the ruined and deserted Osgiliath was known as "a city of ghosts."

Where in the F*#k?
Where in the F*#k?
Credit: Ron Spencer ill.


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