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locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:21pm PT


Cosmic...

have you ever seen a JOINT you couldn't smoke???...

locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:31pm PT


"much like the different photography techniques to capture "ghosts".."...

FACT!!!...

I have a cert, BFA and MFA all in Photography...

Taught at three colleges...

Had three Studios...

There is no such equipment...

DOES NOT EXIST!!!...





FAKE, PHONEY, NOT REAL!!!...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Locker,, that lady was very happy to be buying that place. She still wants to live there. But Three times she has woken up in the kitchen on the floor with bruises and lumps on her head. All three times she went to the ER clinic. These are well documented. My buddy personally saw the lumps and bruises on her.

She has NO history of any other strange dealings, beatings or anything else. No arrest record either.

Even my choctaw peoples long ago had a spirit release ceremony. It involves seven red poles, 13 grapevine loops and a small white flag with a chant to rhythmically tapped together sticks. The same procedure ill be doing out in the NV wilds soon.
Ive met and conversed with the lady who is an excellent lip reader. She is need of help. In addition to that,, IF this IS true, then I owe it to Uncle T to help him become the spirit hunter i believe he wishes to be.

Have you ever talked to Bachar? I have, NOT that i received an answer though.. I talk with Dano and other freinds no longer here, my parents and sister all the time actually. When im working in the shop and use one of my Dads tools - i often glance upward and say "thanks Pa for the help!" Just a small thing im sure most of us do. Or we cuss an old climbing mate that passed as we struggle up one of his routes right? It that JUST a remembrance or is it at those times,, we get brushed by the spirit world?

Personally i have always thought it was the latter. Ive had those times when i KNEW someone/thing had just stepped in to protect me. Those times when you go,,, WTF????

locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Ron...

truth is...

I am in total support of whatever works for the individual...

We all have our own realities...

Live in our own worlds...

Then die...

;-)

Credit: locker
...


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
Cosmic...Have you ever seen a piece of decroded crap you couldn't eat...? :/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
note: while typing and responding here, ive had several instances of a chill- on the back of my neck. Ive been having them for a few days now.


I DONT LIKE THIS CRAP EITHER! My buddy is in the same sort. And he does not believe in the hereafter AT ALL. He told me last night when he was arriving in Ely for his elk hunt that he has been completely upset since we found out. Its his buddy/uncle. The uncle left Steve 100% in charge of his affairs. I helped him spread his ashes on a NV peak. And when someone you cared for is stuck anywhere, your gonna help right? Doesnt matter if its on a hillside stuck in the mud, or in between life, and liberty.

Uncle didnt die a good death. It was early, and self induced and he knew it was happening. And he was in a very isolated and small NV settlement of a town. Some would call him an as#@&%e in life and like a lot of us he could certainly be that way. The alcohol had its bad effects on him those around him saw that clearly, yet he continued. So im sure he has some regrets, and fears just like all of us. If theres a fraction of one percent chances that this is real, then its worth my efforts and others efforts to get this solved. It never hits you till it deals with you.
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:52pm PT


Rotting...

have you ever done the "Two finger move"???...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Ive been waiting for Bmacd to chime in here-- seeing as how i still dont think there bigfeets roaming around,, but now find myself possibly convinced of a haunting. Good opportunity to rip me a new one lol! ( wouldn't blame him either)





edit: or its a couple of people out there who are using chloroform on here- smacking her around then leaving her on the kitchen floor. Three times.
Still trying to make sense of her SMELLING alcohol when she cant smell though.


Is THAT a likely scenario??
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:57pm PT

There is a better chance of BIGfoot than there is of GHOSTS...

But of course, neither actually exists...

Be cool as sh!t if they did...



EDITED:

"I also saw an unexplained white mist at some lakes below university peak."...

Escaping gases??? (I have no real idea if this even occurs)...

Psilocyborg

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
I visited my nephew and his girlfriends home for the firat time. I was sitting on the couch and was thinking about how it was an old house, lots of memories, then I thought "someone died right there!"

A couple weeks later they tell me they are moving because the house is haunted. A man was murdered in the living room right where I was looking when I had the thought. I didnt know that when I had the thought so it was wierd.

To this day they swear there was a ghost.

I also saw an unexplained white mist at some lakes below university peak.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
some interesting things: My Choctaw ancestors believed that there were four stages for transitioning into the spirit world, much like the energy healers of today think of it as stages. This has been going on for quite some time- there are many organizations and practitioners now of this kind of thing. Its HUGE really, and deals a lot with eastern medicines and practices which are eerily like those of old Native Americans.

locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:06pm PT


People BELIEVE all sorts of things that AREn't true...

the 9/11 BS is a great example...

GHOSTS is another...

LOL!!!...

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
In college I was visiting California and decided to take off the fall semester and not return to school in Pa. Mid August I had a vivid dream about my boyfriend being killed in a car accident with a truck. I decided to return to school. I never told him about the dream. On Oct 8th of that year he was killed by colliding with a truck. Now, there is a gallows humor to the story that after many years I was able to smile about.....he was on his way to see another girlfriend that he had at home. Funeral: Awkward!
I've had other premonitions but nothing that specific.

My poltergeist experiences involve an elderly great aunt that mainly involved "seeing" her around my grandmothers house and hearing ice clinking in a glass at night....she always took a glass of ice water with her to bed. I never knew her nor about her ice water and my Grandmother turned pale when I told her of my experiences.


Susan
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:15pm PT


Everytime you THINK you see a Ghost...

repeat these words over and over to yourself...
















































"I have an overactive imagination"...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
"Cosmic...Have you ever seen a piece of decroded crap you couldn't eat...? :/ "








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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
locker , at this point the truths are that a lady has been to the ER three times with the same bruising and lumps on the head after she "found herself" on the kitchen floor. The lumps and bruises are real. The children being scared shitless is also real.

So far every one spending a night there since the Uncle died has had some experience. Those are the knowns here.
locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
I find this interesting read:

"What is it about the thought of supernatural things that intrigues people so much? I should say alleged supernatural things. Maybe it’s not intrigue. Maybe it’s something else…

People are intellectually lazy! Why do people believe in the supernatural? ESP, psychics, Astrology, ghosts, etc? Because it’s easy to just say that something is caused by supernatural forces, rather than to actually think about things, to do a little research or even perform an experiment… to actually find out what the cause of something is. It’s really not that hard.

I want to talk about ghosts for now. What are ghosts? Or, what do people purport ghosts to be? Basically, what survives of our soul or spirit (whatever you want to call it) after we die. Okay. Let’s take a look at just what this would imply.

In order for something to exist, it has to consist of something. To start with, everything consists of atoms. From there, we know that atoms emit energy. And energy has certain limits, as does matter, or atoms. The first thing we know for certain is that one object cannot pass through another object and retain its original form. There is a certain topic in quantum mechanics called “quantum tunneling” which deals with this very topic. The quantum tunneling principle basically says that it may be possible for the energy from an object, namely on the atomic level – not automobiles or people, may pass through another object.

It follows that if ghosts are real, in that they consist of matter, then they cannot pass through walls. It is physically impossible.

The next topic to deal with are the claims that people make that ghosts throw objects, move chairs, open and close doors, etc. These claims make believers chose one or the other. Either ghosts are physical beings, or they are not. Either they consist of atoms, or they don’t. We know this is true because in order for a ghost to move or throw anything, or to turn a door handle, friction is required. And friction is caused by two surfaces working against each other. Simple physics… not to be confused with psychics.

Because friction is required, then any claim that a ghost caused some object to move locks one into saying that a ghost is a solid object, or that at least it is atomic in structure and is in some phase of matter, i.e. solid, liquid or gas… probably not plasma. And if this is the case, then the ghost could not “become invisible” unless it was bound by specific temperatures. Meaning, whatever material the ghost consisted of has a particular temperature at which it changes states of matter – boils, melts, evaporates, etc. And the way to make the ghost visible is to simply change its form from a gas to a solid… to simply lower the temperature to make its material “solid.” And with everything we know about matter, if you were to bring an actual human being to its boiling point… well, you know what would happen.

To say that the ghost is not a solid or physical object totally goes against everything that we know about science. If one claims that a ghost is not made of matter, or atoms, then it totally throws out the possibility of its existence. Everything we know about energy and matter totally contradicts this theory. In order to interact with reality, it has to consist of something. And if these alleged ghosts do consist of something other than any kind of matter or energy that we know of, then they do not even enter into our reality. They cannot interact with us on any possible level and are outside the realm of science. The most one could say, in this situation, is that they were agnostic in terms of belief in ghosts, because they would be neither visible, nor noticeable in any circumstance. They could neither show themselves to us, nor could they interact with any object in order to “show us a sign.” They would be likened to the pink Unicorn on the dark side of the Moon. No one is there to see it, and it doesn’t effect us in any way, so whether or not there is a pink Unicorn on the dark side of the Moon means nothing to us.

So what do we do? Do we rewrite every book on science, physics and biology to support the wild claims of a few people who have never actually proven any in any scientific way? Or, do we simply disregard these claims as the result of the inner workings of these people’s imaginations, and rely on thousands of years of human observation, and hundreds of years of compounded, unrefuted scientific knowledge? You tell me.

Then we come to these “Ghost Hunter” shows on television. These people are, to start with, not scientists. They say so themselves. They have an agenda. To prove that ghosts do, in fact, exist. Any evidence that points in any other direction is disregarded. And look at the equipment they bring to these sites: Geiger counters, Infrared surface thermometers. Are they looking for nuclear fallout? They wave that stupid Infrared surface thermometer around wildly and say, “Look, the temperature is constantly changing.” Yeah, no kidding. You don’t know how to use that thing. It’s for measuring the temperature of a solid surface, not for waving around the room like a magic wand. Of course you’re going to get odd readings.

The main problem is that they never actually do any real scientific research. The first main component in scientific research is hypothesis testing. Say, for example, you believe there might be ghosts in a certain location. Ok. So what are these ghosts purportedly doing? Moving an object around the room? Making the temperature change? Well, design an experiment that aims to disprove that theory. That’s how the Scientific Method works. You don’t start with a conclusion and look for every bit of evidence that supports that claim, then disregard anything that doesn’t support it. It’s the same thing with “Creation Scientists.” They want to prove that God created everything, so that’s the only evidence they look for. When they see that biology and genetics prove that people evolved from other forms of life, they throw that evidence away because they aren’t interested in the truth. They want to prove that “God did it.”

In this way, the Scientific Method doesn’t work for ghost hunters. These guys go in there with a whole bunch of crap they bought at Radio Shack, stuff that isn’t designed to “detect ghosts.” Then they go through looking for things they can’t explain. Like why they get electromagnetic readings when they’re in a room with an electrical panel. Hmmm… I wonder why? Could it be that there is electricity in the room? Then, in the true scientific spirit, instead of trying to figure out what caused the strange occurrence (say, for example, having the electric company shut off the power to the house, and then performing another reading), they simply assume it was a ghost causing these readings. How intellectually lazy these people are. It’s nonsense.

Then there are people who claim to have had very real experiences which include things such as a ghost attacking them, accompanied by the feeling of paralysis, being unable to breathe, etc. These experiences are very vivid to those who have them.

These experiences are easily explained. Here is a link to a study on the topic, although this study was done on those who claimed to be abducted by UFOs. But the situations are similar enough to note this study. Both are relatively similar experiences.

Basically, what happens is when one falls asleep, there is a part of the brain stem that paralyzes the body once you enter REM sleep. This happens so that you don’t act out your dreams. The frightening thing that can happen is that the sleeping person wakes up, but this part of the brain stem fails to release its paralyzing effect on the body. The person cannot move, possibly has a very difficult time breathing, and also possibly is still experiencing the dream they were having. It’s called a waking dream, and the person experiencing it is totally convinced that what is happening in their mind is happening in reality.

The basic point that I want to make is that instead of immediately jumping to the supernatural conclusion, try doing some experimentation to actually discover what really caused what you claim to be ghost activity. You’ll be surprised at what a little research will reveal.

Do some research and read a book."
...

locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:21pm PT


"locker , at this point the truths are that a lady has been to the ER three times with the same bruising and lumps on the head after she "found herself" on the kitchen floor"...



Be interesting to see what would happen if she wore a helmet...

locker

Social climber
D#@&%ebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:22pm PT


ANY chance this is her son???...




Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
^^^^
DAM!
He missed the Beer bottle he was trying to NAIL into the wall!
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