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Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 2, 2012 - 11:38am PT
Ok,, ive heard of them, heard about people experiencing them. I myself have never.

Now, a close buddy of mine had an uncle die from alcoholism last Dec in a small NV town. He is in the process of selling that place to a local woman whom knew his uncle.

She informed him yesterday that she is moving out because:

At 1:15 am every morning she is awoken as is someone is shaking her. Every morning . She has woken up to find herself on the kitchen floor with bumps and bruises to her head and body.
Add to this her three grandchildren coming to stay with her a few days,, not being happy at all, then going back home to their parents and they telling their parents of an angry mans voice at night that was scaring the hell out of them..


Also note the lady is DEAF, and has never believed in ghosts..


Twilight zone??????????????????????????????????????


The reason this is so disturbing is that the Lady seems sensible and factual in every way. She has taken very good care of the place as well.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:42am PT
On top of the cabinets. <br/>
Morro Bay spookfest.
On top of the cabinets.
Morro Bay spookfest.
Credit: drljefe

I believe and have had many ghost experiences.
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Dec 2, 2012 - 11:43am PT

Locker must be one. . .

he never shows up anywhere, but he's always around, bailing!!!!
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:20pm PT
Believer here...not just in ghosts but premonitions also. The experiences have been few and far between but real...oh so real....mine weren't frightening except for the premonition I had in college about my boy friend being killed in a car accident. Which did happen several months later...i never told him about it; Lost a bro in Nam...no premonition about that nor any spiritual visitations from him....yet....but an elderly great aunt...several


Susan
Jim Brennan

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Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
Only some harsh editing is the worst treatment you'll get from this one:

Credit: Jim Brennan
Crimpergirl

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Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:25pm PT
Haha! Good one Jim!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
My friend owns a magazine and a famous historical house near Pasadena...He was using the house as his business office and one day one of his employees told him that he keeps seeing someone walking around inside...My friend knew there was a ghost in the house and nonchalantly told the employee that he had also seen it..
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
This has both my buddy and i scratching our heads. But when he was telling me about this,, the hair on my neck was standing. The Uncle was unhappy in life and how it had gone and basically drank himslef to death.

A freind of ours in Markleeville has experience with such things and to her this all makes perfect sense as she says that the pummelings being reciecved by the deaf lady are actings out of the uncle and his girlfriend which was a somewhat violent relationship. So he now takes it out on the deaf lady living there. We plan on a "releasing" of some sort- of which i know no details, but she says his spirit is stuck between the here and there.

My buddy said the deaf lady had dark circles under her eyes as well as knotts on her head so he actually saw the results. She likes living there, knew his uncle and wishes to stay,, BUT she wont of this continues. Pretty Wierd way to start the day....
John M

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:47pm PT
alcoholism

Long term bad juju in that house. It builds up. The house needs to be cleared and the ghost sent on its way. Plus there are also probably a few other unfriendlys to deal with.

uncle and his girlfriend which was a somewhat violent relationship

Yep.. Definitely more unfriendlys
mouse from merced

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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Casper
While Bloody Mary spends her time in the ghostly realms waiting to be summoned to dark bathrooms so she can scare kids, Casper (whose legal last name is "The Friendly Ghost") is the white-outlined, smiling ghost who tries not to scare people. In the Harvey comic book series, Casper was often joined by friends such as Wendy the Good Little Witch and Hot Stuff the Little Devil. While some found the idea of a dead child's ghost hanging around with a witch and a devil a bit creepy, the characters were made benign and kid-friendly with the addition of "good," "friendly," and "little" to their names. Casper had a revival of sorts with a self-titled 1995 film, a modest success that managed to avoid the direct-to-video graveyard.


http://www.livescience.com/11364-top-10-famous-ghosts.html


BooDawg!!
locker

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Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 12:50pm PT


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Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 12:53pm PT
JohnM,,Thats what our friend says!!!!

As i believe in SOULS, im rethinking the "ghost" thing now.. And to be down right honest,, that is a little disturbing to me!!

Of course i know small NV towns well, and those types that inhabit them. Many are "strange" in one way or another.. But this lady seems to be a very articulate sensible person. Who gets woken up at 1:15 am every day , day in, day out.

Im trippin...
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 12:59pm PT
I really want to be there for the "releasing" as I knew Uncle T as well..He was my age, and a good NV man really. The alcohol got a grip on him though, and wouldnt let go. He was a great Uncle to my buddy- they hunted all over the state and had many a wild venture. If his soul really is stuck- he needs to be released for HIS good let alone the mental well being of those around still..
John M

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
Yep.. its trippy.

Just to be clear. There is a big big difference between the energy of a mostly happy drunk and a mean angry drunk.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
I don't like the sounds of this. Scary stuff.
I have seen ghosts and felt ghosts but when a ghost started f*#king with me, that's the next level.
Scared shitless.
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:04pm PT
Our friend mentioned that as well John! The fights between him and his old girlfriend, the alcohol and the un -happiness. She says it makes perfect sense of the goings on there. Also, when the lady wakes up on the kitchen floor, she has a taste of alcohol in her mouth as well.. She didnt know all the history of the Uncle either..

And the deaf lady has been putting up with this since spring- fuggin trip--all ive been hearing is the theme from twilight zone.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:09pm PT
Is getting hit on the head every night by a ghost (since Spring) and hoping for a different outcome the definition of insanity ?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
Ron...? Put the bottle down and quit whupping on your deaf lady friend...RJ
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Jim, she isnt beat on every night, but its happened a few times. The waking up is every night..

and RJ i thought i was just dreamin that lol!
John M

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:25pm PT
Is getting hit on the head every night by a ghost (since Spring) and hoping for a different outcome the definition of insanity ?

well.. sorta depends on whether you realize its a ghost or not. :-)

ghosts aren't scary. They can't physically harm you. They can mess with your head though.

But in situations like this where there was long term abuse and a mix of anger and violence. Then that means there is something beyond a ghost to deal with.

As for getting rid of the ghost, that can be tricky because a lot depends on how bad they want to stick around.

Once you get to the other stuff, that depends on how powerful it is and how powerful the person dealing with it is.

I'm sort of laughing here because I don't usually talk about this stuff on an open forum.

Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:31pm PT
ME NEITHER John! In all honesty, i never actually much believed in ghosts. Now i do believe in friendly spirits giving you a fly by once in a while, as ive had things happen to me that made me go hmmmm..


But our Friend is a lady in Markleeville who INSTANTLY knew the problem, the reasons, and the cures. I guess shes quite experienced with this stuff!
My buddy is the same as i, but~~~ after going out there yesterday to meet with her, he too is scratching his head. He and his uncle had been very tight, the ONLY one his uncle associated with in the family really.


She says the negative energies from alcohol, fighting between him and girlfriend, and being dissatisfied with life are keeping him from going "on"..



What sealed the deal for us was the children- 6 to 9 all heard an angry voice of a man as well..





WEEEEEEEHHHHHAAAWWWWWRRRRR shyte-louie never thought id be discussing this LOL!
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Ron,

Maybe the starting point should be, " when the lady wakes up on the kitchen floor, she has a taste of alcohol in her mouth as well".

Is it some ghostly sacramental wine or is she just getting her spirits mixed up ?
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
She doesnt drink at all...As a said she is an older -very articulate lady- that has handled the place on her own very well- capable in other words. Shes a life long resident of the general Winnemucca area. she didnt believe in ghosts until~~~.. And she knew the uncle from the past as just friends.
They always got along great and she was happy to take over his place and keep it going.


Mann,,, times like this i regret givin up drinking..I could use a cognac about now.;-)
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:42pm PT
Ron, I'll pay Rottingjohnny's way up to do the exorcism, or whatever it's
called. The ghost will be gone in a hearbeat! But you still have to pick
up the bar tab.
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:44pm PT
hmmm interesting offer Rielly!
Tami

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Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:47pm PT
Just be aware of the whack-jobs who might wanna "be of help" at this time.

I believed in ghosts and stuff like that when I was a kid but don't now. Have had some curious premonitions, however. None of them bad :-)
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 01:48pm PT
Im kinda "stuck" myself NOW......(insert rolling eye emoticon here)
John M

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:57pm PT
Can't tell you if the cleanup will be successful, but you do at least have one gauge. That is if you can talk the lady who was thinking of buying the house into going back for a visit. Preferably two or three days :-)

Problem is that you can send a ghost out of a place, but if you don't properly deal with it, then it can come back. You have to know whether they have moved on or not. Its easy to get them out of the house for awhile, getting them gone permanently is another level.

There is actually quite a lot involved. Sometimes its easy peasy. But this one doesn't have that feel. Not necessarily because of your uncle, but because of whatever he got tied into with.

Just be aware of the whack-jobs who might wanna "be of help" at this time.

Yep.. me is a whack job. heh heh. Actually, this is one of the reasons why I don't talk about this sort of stuff online. Too many people think they know what they are doing or just want to make a buck. Trust your instincts. If it doesn't seem right, it probably isn't.

oh.. by the way. I charge a whole lot of money for doing this kind of work. heh heh..

Just kidding. Never charged money. But there is always a first time. A workman is worthy of his keep. Well, sometimes they are.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
Be helpful to your friend Ron but don't get too involved:

Credit: Rod Serling
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Ron....I am not a whack job and Reilly is right about me being scary...The drinks are on me...RJ
locker

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Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:03pm PT

"I am not a whack job"...


I beg to differ...


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LOL!!!...


John M

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Dec 2, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
LOL, broom mastery is an integral part of ghost busting. heh heh..
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:06pm PT
Hehe GUD one Jim,, but you see, my buddy is like a brother to me- and im quite involved. I helped him fix the place up- winterize it before the sale etc etc and the Uncle was my friend as well.

His death came as a shock, even though he had gotten worse with his drinking. And we regret not doing more but he wouldnt take advice from even his own nephew whom he entursted everything to.


The lady that has offered to help we both know personally and are very good friends with. She is a very smart woman in her own right and listed off the things affecting the scene and were dead correct on them all. I think she is fairly knowledgeable for the task.

Hey ,, im 54 year sold,, ive been embarrassed and embarrassed myself FAR worse than this in life. ;-)

Yur talkin to someone who still isnt quite sure of ghosts,, yet this has zingered both my buddy and i..
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
Locker....HEE hee...RJ
John M

climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
and give em black eyes?

An overhand right usually does the trick.








I think it was Einstein who said everything was energy. Or sumptin like that. Don't quote me on that.
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
Locker,+1 &!
locker

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Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:15pm PT


Rotting...

How could I possibly resist???...

LOL!!!...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:15pm PT
OK, seriously Ron,

The only tangible "elements" in this ghost story are alcohol, a friend of yours who was an alcoholic and another friend who woke up on the kitchen floor with the taste of alcohol in her mouth and lumps and bruises...
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
well there are the kids who didnt say anything to the lady, but then reported it to their parents of an angry mans voice. Remember the lady living there is DEAF..She found out from the parents of the voices..Theres not a drop of alcohol in the house.
Jim Brennan

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Vancouver Canada
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:24pm PT
Alcohol in a house causes far less problems than alcohol in a person's body!
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:25pm PT
My buddy got a text from her two days ago- when she found herself on the kitchen floor bruised etc. She didnt indicate anything other that she had to move out soon, and asked a specific question - if the Uncle had died at 1;15 am..

When i read that , i asked Steve if Uncle T was unhappy bout sumpn! He agreed as to what that could only mean, and it seems we were correct. Meanwhile our friend in Markleeville had also learned of the situation and "felt" the presence of all of the ingredients ...



DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO DOO! We have entered the "TWILIGHT ZONE" ..


Jim,, trust me, im far from convinced, however when my buddy was telling me of all this in the am, it got weird.. Dont know whut/how/why or any of it other than its weird...

Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:26pm PT
There are no ghosts.

Death means worm dirt.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:28pm PT
Ghosts don't exist.

Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:29pm PT
Jim,, the kids had no alcohol either.

When my buddy was on the phone this am explaining it all, things just got weird.. We dont know whut/how/why or any of it, its just all weird.


Brandon,, up till this am i would have totally agreed with you.

But knowing ALL involved here, its WEIRD........



and i still dont believe there are bigfeets roaming the lands everywhere.!
Cosmiccragsman

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AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
^^^^^^

Hyram, Henrietta;
So that's where you took off to!



"Locker must be one. . .

he never shows up anywhere, but he's always around, bailing!!!! "



Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 02:48pm PT
see there!!^^^^^^^^^^^^
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 02:56pm PT

COSMIC!!!...
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:02pm PT
That's a nifty GIF.

There are no ghosts.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:08pm PT
There is something.

I respect the skeptics but I know my own experiences.
Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:17pm PT
"COSMIC!!!... "





LOCKER!!!!
Check yer email,
or are you, OBVIOUSLY,
Ignoring the latest email I sent you?

:-s
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:26pm PT
There is something.

I respect the skeptics but I know my own experiences.


Yup. I've seen something ghostly with another witness seeing the exact same thing. Whatever it was, it was unexplained and at close range. It's a pretty complex universe, and we're just some above average apes. The skeptics are free to believe otherwise, of course.
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
I can only hope that IF Uncle T is stuck someone can free him to be on the hills he loved. Being a spirit hunter.

Sometimes life throws ya unexpected twist.
drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:57pm PT
Even in this world of advanced science there is still the unexplained.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 2, 2012 - 03:58pm PT
Personally, I'm not saying "ghosts" I say unexplained. I don't know what it is I saw, only that there's not much explanation. If you think science has it all whipped, bully for you, you are as ignorant as the rest. And if you don't, more of the same ;). Human understanding will always be limited.
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:09pm PT
Even in this world of advanced science there is still the unexplained.

And hopefully there always will be....the end of curiosity would truly be the end of the world.

Susan
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:15pm PT


Cosmic...

Yes!!!...

Totally IGNORING you...

LOL!!!...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:19pm PT
^^^^

LOLOLOL
Good NOT Talkin to you!
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:21pm PT

^^^

Exactly!!!...

:-)

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:24pm PT
Who ya gonna call...?









































locker

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Douchebag Central
Dec 2, 2012 - 04:31pm PT


Credit: locker
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Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 2, 2012 - 05:00pm PT
Watch it, Locker!
I'm workin on another animation now.
I'll show you what a, GHOSTBUSTER, I am!!!



Edit: this animation is gonna take some TIME
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 06:12pm PT
Just got off the phone with the freind in MRKL, she has been emailing the lady out there- and has already felt the presence of the Uncle.

the lady has been to the doctors THREE times with bruises in the last 6 months and so there is documentation of this!

My Friend says this lady is an "impasse" and is keeping the Uncles spirit around for some reason, or is simply intuitive as she says and the Uncle doesnt know how to proceed. So he is lashing out and frustrations he had while here in the physical..My friend deals in "energy medicines" and is very well known in the field from what im told.


I looked into Choctaw ceremonies for releasing of the spirit and did indeed find a procedure. The lady says Native American energy can be very good, so im givin it a whirl when we all go up there. Good enough for my tribal ancestors, good enough for me.

The conversation went for nearly two hours-- ive learned much actually! Fascinating stuff...




This is really getting strange as the ladys emails to my freind in MRKL are mentioning classic symptoms of a spirit stuck in "transition"..

She doesnt drink, smoke or any of that. She has been treated THREE times now by the emergency clinic in Winnemucca. -always finding herself in the kitchen with the SMELL of alcohol about---not tasting it, yet she feels hung over and is bruised up. AND her sense of smell is gone as well as her hearing..????


edit: i DID tell the MRKL freind to ask the lady if she used drugs or anything for sure!... Those tweakers after a runner see all manner of crap. Yes, my logical mind is working too.;-)
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 2, 2012 - 06:24pm PT
It's nice to give her some attention, either way. Of course, maybe we can scientifically debunk the need for elderly people to get some conversation and caring ;). Good on ya, Ron.
mouse from merced

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The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
http://phantomcomicstrips.blogspot.com/
Every day and on Sundays, too, in the Sacramento BEE.
Every day and on Sundays, too, in the Sacramento BEE.
Credit: Google Images


Doltergeist.



From the December 8, 1951, issue of Life Magazine.
Credit: mouse from merced
Credit: mouse from merced
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Credit: mouse from merced


Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 07:28pm PT
As i say,, the gal doesnt have a "faith"nor does she believe in ghosts but she now has been to a ER clinic three times, every time the same.. My buddy saw the lumps on her head yesterday....

She is deaf and has no sense of smell -other than that fairly normal for nevada..

She says she did SMELL the alcohol though- which STARTLED here worse than anything almost, as any other time she has no smell!


And the children ALL reported to their parents of hearing an angry mans voice at night. Yet coudlnt see anything.!?

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Who ya gonna call to pick your peas, pack your carrots, and corn your ...
Who ya gonna call to pick your peas, pack your carrots, and corn your snow? If you believe in ghosts or Bruce Lee (he fue real), then you should believe in me, too.
Credit: Life Mag.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:40pm PT
Had a number of experiences and know others that have

You'll find a common thread of Ghosts being the spirit of those who committed suicide, died violent or untimely deaths, or otherwise had some serious issues.

That's not a judgement against them, they just left their body before their time so they're stuck on this plane until it's time to move on.

Peace

Karl

Sometimes kindly but authoritatively asking them to move on will clear them out.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 2, 2012 - 07:43pm PT

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=20550&msg=20550#msg20550

Jun 6, 2003 - 09:55pm PT

Angus and I really dig the Arrowhead Arete and have repeated it many times. A few years ago we headed up the switchbacks above the maintenance station. That path follows an old trail up Indian Canyon, which in the days of the Miwoks was an important trade route to the Mono Lake indians. They basically traded acorns for fly larve. We believe the old trail follows part of the old indian trail before it.

So we're headed up the switchbacks with Angus out front, as is usual. We come around an up hill bend to find a magnificant stag standing on the next switchback above us, highlighted in a shart of early morning light. It's like a Bierstadt painting, almost too magnificent to be believable. He's one of those Yosemite raindeer looking guys, saw one over at the base of the Zodiac once.

He's huge, with a powerful chest and a deadly looking, many pointed rack. Thing has a 4 foot spread on it. And he's calm, serene like, standing there in the chill dawn air. He's completely aware of us and is looking our way, but casually and without concern. As if we too belong here and his calm acceptance is nature's best acknowledgement of fitting in.

We slow to a crawl and just admire the buck. And he looks back at us in silent consideration. Slowly, ever so slowly, his gaze shifts inwardly, and his ears peel back slightly. And it's like he suddenly remembered he has something else to do or somewhere else to be. He leans back a bit, steps off the trail and slowly contours away though the trees. He ambles out of sight, occasionally stopping to nibble a shoot or admire the view. Twice he looks back over his shoulder at us.

Andgus and I are struck mute by this spectacle, amazed and delighted grins, stupid-like in their simplicity, are plasted on our faces in mechanical response. The rest of the hike up to the base of the Arrowhead, one of Yosemite's greatest approaches in my punter opinion, was like a cloud. As we racked up in that great chimney, a place of powerful spirits and conjunctions itself, Angus remarks out of the blue,

"That was an indian back there. In that deer. I know it man. It was an indian spirit and he gave us his permission to be here."

Funny I had just then been thinking along those very lines. Ang had the first lead that day and as he led out I thought I heard the distant cry of a coyote on the wind.

DMT
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
uhhh thats gonna be tough,, but yes,, in a couple of weeks it shall be done.

But i may not experience anything as im not an intuitive..Ive never had a ghostly experience. Had things that made me go HMMMmmmm. But thats it.

Like LIVING after falling over a hundred feet and hitting hard! Made me go hmmm..?

But this story for some reason hooked me in,, yeah maybe line a sinker to.. I dunno really. The kids AND her- makes one wonder. The only ones to spend nights there all have "issues"...the older i grew the less i knew and know this to be true...


Not to mention the friend in MRKL being "contacted" by the Uncle..


edit : Im in need of some grapevines,, enough to do 13 small hoops for my ceremony...Any one have some grapevines locally i wonder??
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 2, 2012 - 08:35pm PT
The hoodoos. It's a nicely descriptive term for whatcha got, Ron.

Animal spirits bother you, leave little turds here & there?

Heh-heh.

Which hurts worst, a furious ghost, a tumble off a fiscal cliff, or a tumble off a metaphysical cliff?

Apparently, it ain't clear. Or transparent.

The fiscal cliff's thirty days away, so it's a moot question.





Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 08:39pm PT
The gal has physical evidence. SOMETHING is happening out there. In that hood,, i wonder if some jokers with chloroform arent pulling one over on her?

Crazy thought i know,, but then for central NV TINY towns,, not so much really. Perhaps a hidden TRAIL cam might be in order.?



im considering every possibility know matter how far fetched lol!



Uncle didnt die easily or quickly and i do believe he had regrets when he went and how he went. So in that line of logic, i can see an unsettled soul- i just never knew they hung around. But people have been sued over such things, if she gets injured WORSE it could get ugly for my buddy cuz he still owns the place!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 2, 2012 - 09:07pm PT
Hey, Ron, is yer aunt's last name - de Fuca?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
hehe,, i dont think so.. She has the ER records and reports..So as said SOMETHING is happening. dont know what yet but we will work on this!
LilaBiene

Trad climber
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
Has the house been checked for gas levels, radon, carbon monoxide, etc?

A friend of mine who's Russan Orthodox told me once that after someone dies, they change around all of the furniture in the house so that the spirit "trips" on it and realizes it's time to move on. No idea if she took over the house with his things still there, but might be worth a try...

Spooky stuff.
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:31pm PT
Creepy stuff Ron, good luck with evicting the spirit.

As I was reading this post I wondered who would be the first to call in the Ghostbusters, no surprise it was Cosmic and Locker.

Tad
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 2, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
Does anyone have Akroids number??
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:42pm PT
Does anyone have Akroids number??
Try The House of Blues!
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 2, 2012 - 10:46pm PT
There's no way in hell I would stay one moment in that house even just reading this thread.

I haven't had a ghost thing in many years but have had several in the past. The worse one was at my sister's house, a rental. I was visiting and in the kitchen one morning. I heard someone in the bedroom above, walking back and forth, opening/closing the closet doors. My sister Kate, who is also in the kitchen says "Do you here that?" I say "yes - why is Danielle(her sister-in-law) acting like that?"

She says "Danielle isn't here; that's the ghost." I got the CREEPY feeling and had to physically run outside the house to get away from it. I never wanted to be alone there afterward.

The other bad one, funny this thread comes up, I was just thinking about yetserday. I was living for a short time in Marquette, Michigan, and out with a group of my youngest sister and brother's friends. We went to a house which was purported to be haunted.

We got there, and the house was derilect - doors gone, windows gone. Water damage from years of exposure to the elements and the traces of having been on fire.

There was a whole bunch of toys scattered out in front of the place, and very starngely, a piano that looked in perfect condition inside, even though the rest of the house was in such bad shape. Some wanted to go inside, but I was like "I don't know..."

Then someone said "Wait - do you hear that sound?" It was a low, droning and constant hum. I said "Well, that's the traffic from the highway." They said "The highway is at least 10 miles away. And look at all these toys. They're old toys, but they look brand new!"

I looked and HOLY SH#T - they were spotless, even though having been outside a house which hadn't had people in it for a decade. The him sound, the piano inside, and the sight of those toys from the past but in perfect shape - I bout fainted right there. I MADE us leave. Everyone started laughing but - ughh, I get scared just thinking about it. YUCK.

I have also seen plenty of People who were white and filmy - mostly back at the family house I grew up in.

I do not like ghosts, do not like that feeling that seems to be in back of me, and am glad that for whatever reason it is, I don't have those experiences in the last several years.

Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:07am PT
So if a book fell to the floor in the middle of the night, from a stack that could not hold the center, would you go OOOOWEEEOOOOWAAAOOOO ?

Stark raving bullshit would be the clinical answer.

Answer this all you "new age" relativist sentimentalists:

Why does a violent death or unsatisfied young life killed through WAR have no affect on what you hold precious once inside an old building ?

They weren't there to begin with, or They were collateral damage some where else and as such they understand that sh#t happens and this was their fate ?

*smirk*

If this was true metaphysically, there would be a haunting in every pot. It's only fair while on the road to resource prosperity and the multitude of lives lost in pursuit of this goal.

Still, I have empathy for anyone who found themselves face down on the kitchen floor at 1.15 in the morning smelling alcohol and saying it was a ghost...



John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:21am PT
Why does a violent death or unsatisfied young life killed through WAR have no affect on what you hold precious once inside an old building ?

who says it doesn't?

If this was true metaphysically, there would be a haunting in every pot.

Nope..

I could give more detailed answers of what I believe, but when people smirk at me I tend to just want to say f*#k you.

Is that new agey enough for you?
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:36am PT
Easy there big fella,

I'm smirking for the fact that almost every time a ghost story comes up it involves a perfectly accountable comfortable person who shockingly comes into contact with ectoplasmic discomfort.

Forget science about all this, my point is that if a life is ended violently or unfairly, all the ghost seers come out for the free wine and "mystery" to solve.

How about applying the same math to all the idealism lying dead after being taken advantage of by your local military recruiter ?

Somehow that doesn't make the grade for threshold pulp fiction. there would be too many books for a market of a known capacity.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:46am PT
Forget science about all this, my point is that if a life is ended violently or unfairly, all the ghost seers come out for the free wine and "mystery" to solve.

No they don't. Most of us who have any sense of the presence of these things never say word one because of people like you. I took a chance because I like Ron. Yes there are people who are attention seekers, and these you see often. These people tend to piss me off, especially the ones who prey on peoples fears. There are plenty of us who very rarely speak up.

What would be the point? To get ridiculed by people like you? No thanks.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:02am PT
Point out the ridicule, then explain the facts you are so covetous of.

Why do ghost stories always involve an individual event ?

Sometimes WAR takes out 1000 people in a second. John, can you please explain how this results in spiritual peace for those who are violently DEAD before their time ?

I think if this reality of being casually dead had any significance for the BS. of metaphysics, there would be an answer that stood up to critical scrutiny.

Please reply.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:04am PT
before their time

How do you know this?


Why do ghost stories always involve an individual event ?

why or how do you presume to know every ghost story/experience?
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:11am PT
So if a book fell to the floor in the middle of the night, from a stack that could not hold the center, would you go OOOOWEEEOOOOWAAAOOOO ?

Stark raving bullshit would be the clinical answer.

Answer this all you "new age" relativist sentimentalists:

You are saying that there is no ridicule in this? Hmmm..
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:14am PT
So you think it's OK to be dead and not fully informed on life at 23 after being herded into WAR ?

There's a really good reason that the military doesn't want to take in males after the age of 25.

It's because those males start thinking about reality and consequences for their actions and may not want to go along with "it's their time".

I don't know when for anyone, but I sure as hell won't presume about "how do I know" like you will.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:19am PT
I don't know when for anyone, but I sure as hell won't presume about "how do I know" like you will.

Nice presumption

So you think it's OK to be dead and not fully informed on life at 23 after being herded into WAR ?

Sometimes people do die before their time. That does not always mean that their soul will stick around. But yes.. depending on ones karma, some can expect to die young.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:21am PT
It's because those males start thinking about reality and consequences for their actions and may not want to go along with "it's their time".

I despise war and believe that the older people should fight them. But I'm not in charge.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:24am PT
Yes I've experienced a book falling from my bookshelf or some piece of food falling from my fridge. It went "thud". Was it a ghost or just gravity making me feel funny after abruptly waking up ?

Of course I could relate it to my synapses doing the work that is what sleep allows in the form of dreams but that's the easy way of explanation for resolving biology VS sentiment.

Excessive sentimentality is a disease not an emotion.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:24am PT
I asked you a basic question. Please answer it. How do you know when someone has died before their time? You see.. I don't believe that a person has just one lifetime. I believe that we have many and that karma carries over from lifetime to lifetime. So if you perhaps were cruel and wasteful of others youth in a previous lifetime, then you might have to experience the waste of your own youth in order to learn a lesson.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:28am PT
Excessive sentimentality is a disease not an emotion.

LOL, damn dude. You certainly know everything.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:29am PT
HAHAHAHA !

Some times people die before their time? Nice of you to apply the assumed bromide !

There's always work in flushing out spirits.

(that was a shot of humour John)
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:34am PT
Sorry Jim. I don't find you to be funny tonight. Maybe I misread you, but I have experienced things that I do not attribute to "excessive sentimentality". If you actually wanted to hear my story rather then make fun of those who believe in things which science can't yet explain, then I might share. But to me your tone is all knowing and derisive. You are so certain that these experiences are just over stimulated synopsis.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:43am PT
AS for wasting youth, I can only feel guilty about this sentiment concerning my own.

I just can't bring the presumption about the youth of others and how they were happy about giving up the ghost !

I'll leave that to you John but won't let romanticism and gullibility hide in the shadows. Someone giving away their life for a political goal...

All politics are in pursuit of a nation's self interest. It never involves chivalry, honor or "glory". Self interest always involves someone else's resources.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:47am PT
I just can't bring the presumption about the youth of others and how they were happy about giving up the ghost !

Well Jim.. I would never presume that they are happy about giving up the ghost. But karma is karma. If you drink and drive at age 18, your chances of dying young increase significantly. You may not want to, but that is the way it is. So no.. I would not presume that someone is happy about dying young.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:56am PT
Too true but that has nothing to do with disembodied spirits finding a happily ever after and a white picket fence.

Everybody really just doesn't know. You wind up dead, you are DEAD !

After that it's a lot of feel good presumption and why it's presumption is because no dead person ever stuck their head out of the ground and said, "hey all you wondering people, it's like this"...
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:59am PT
Everybody really just doesn't know. You wind up dead, you are DEAD !

This is really quite a funny statement Jim. You say that everybody really doesn't know, then you make a statement as if you know. Too funny.
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:00am PT
Too true but that has nothing to do with disembodied spirits finding a happily ever after and a white picket fence.

Karma has everything to do with your next experience.
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:04am PT
Well I sincerely hope that I die first and never have to experience you poking your head out of the ground and saying, "I told you so".
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 3, 2012 - 08:49am PT
I do not like ghosts, do not like that feeling that seems to be in back of me, and am glad that for whatever reason it is, I don't have those experiences in the last several years.--happiegrrrl

This is "paranoia" and I relate entirely, I'm afraid.

happpiegrrl, were you aware of an "aura" of a particular color associated with the feeling? Did it enhance the feeling that whatever was threatening was hidden, "behind you"? This is what I regard as that creepy feeling, like something's creeping up on you, it's hiding, but it's stalking. Did it recur at all later on when you thought of it? Was it orange, by chance? Were you flat-out AFRAID FOR YOUR SOUL?

I have valid reasons for asking, based on experience long in the past, which was likely to have been drug-induced, but that's of no real bearing if you consider fear is fear and it is a commonality among us, brought on by any number of things which are irrelevant. The effect is the same, just the cause is different.

Mice are intersted in fear. It's what keeps us alive as a race. What's to be gained by understanding fear?

Increase in racial harmony.
Higher climbing standards.
Greater insight into the workings of the mind of TM Herbert.

Just to name a few benefits "off the top of my head."
Ichabod and the Horseman of Sleepy Hollow
Ichabod and the Horseman of Sleepy Hollow
Credit: G I


"Ach-choo!" "Doltergeist."

Hey, Lilabiene, how's a spooky little girl like you doing? I don't find it odd your being here, just that you even found time. The fire's a little brighter when you sit in.

JRR lives in the past, but he lives today, as well, only in a different plane. He has a seat between to Larry Hagman and Amy Winehouse on the Astral Plane flight 420 for Dallas this morning. He sent this message--

"...to them the Enemy had given rings of power, and he had devoured them: living ghosts they were become, terrible and evil." (Faramir)

Ghosts was a name commonly used to describe the undead, beings which did not perish after what would be a natural death, but which continued to haunt the living in their after-life. While likely often the product of a vivid imagination, the dealings of the Fellowship of the Ring with several types of undead testify that ghosts were a reality in Middle-earth.

In the late Third Age, the ruined and deserted Osgiliath was known as "a city of ghosts."

Where in the F*#k?
Where in the F*#k?
Credit: Ron Spencer ill.


drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:24am PT
Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 19, 2009 - 02:21pm PT
I have had many "ghost" encounters in my life, dating back to elementary school.
The last experience was pretty heavy.

San Luis Obisbo July '07

I was on the Central Coast to do a paint job for a friend who was remodeling a house in SLO. The house belongs to his fiance's(Shannon) mom, and she was raised there.

My bro(Todd) is doing all the interior carpentry work during the day, so to avoid the dust I decide to work at night. While I had done some work during the day and not noticed or felt anything too strange, I did get a weird vibe about one of the hallways and the room at the end. But i was there to work and was pretty much on auto pilot, thanks to KPIG(what a great radio station!)

My first night working there went without incident. I go into many houses, new and old, alone, late at night, whatever- so I'm not automatically "spooked".

As the night went on I was working on some baseboards in a small bedroom adjacent to the living room where Todd's tools were gathered. The radio was turned off and I was zenning out. Then I felt a thud in the old wood floors and a sound came from the living room. It sounded like some tools were being moved. I was over it. It was late, and I must admit, I was a little spooked, so I left.

Next day, same scoop- show up when others are done for the day and plan to work til 2am or so. A little more defcon delta now, though, after the weirdness the night before.

I auto pilot it, just doin' my thing, but now I'm definitely seeing stuff in my peripheral vision, and the vibes coming from the back room down the hall are strong enough that I don't even look that direction. Am I getting myself all worked up or what?
These feelings get stronger the later it gets.

I was just finishing the only ladder work I had left, in the kitchen, when one of the little halogen track lights started swinging. Figured I had bumped it. It flickered and went out. I stashed the ladder in a far room because I wouldn't need it the whole rest of the job.
Back into the front room, where I'd heard the "thud", to do the finish work on the trim. I finished the base in the closet and got up to go get something in the other room.
Right there in the doorway, blocking my exit, was my ladder. Remember, earlier I had stashed my ladder in a room on the other side of the house.
I flipped. I could barely breathe, like when dunked in cold water. I moved the ladder and scrambled to leave the house without forgetting to turn out lights and lock up. I was running so fast that I tripped outside, dropping all my stuff. I sat in my car and was scared to even look up at the house, feeling like there would be someone or something in the picture window.
As my car warmed up I realized I may have forgotten to lock the back door. Todd has heaps of expensive tools in there, so I had to double check. Right next to the back door is the "room at the end of the hallway". I was scared shitless going back there in the dark, and once again didn't even want to look up, or in a window, convinced I would see all the tools whirlwinding around the room Poltergeist style.

I made it back to my car for the drive back to Morro Bay, but was too freaked to even look in the rearview mirror!
I stopped at Taco Bell and the lady at the window said "Son, you look like you seen a ghost."

Turns out Shannon and her Mom had many experiences over the years- yeah, they didn't tell me til I finished the paintjob!
The Mom had been scared out of the house when her bed went all earthquake simulator on her. Her room was the room at the end of the hall.
Guests who stayed in that same room years later refused to go back.
In Shannon's room, where I heard the thud, the Mom had seen blue and pink blob like "ghosts" (I picture "Ghostbusters") spinning on the bedposts when the girls were young. The Mom had asked the girls if they had ever seen anything funny in there. One of the girls said there was a pink thing that lived under the bed, and Shannon said there was a man with an Abe Lincoln hat that would stand in the doorway (the same doorway where my ladder appeared).

The Mom moved out and had a few "cleansing ceremonies" done on the house.
When I told her what had happened to me she said "Wow, they're still there..."

The most telling part of the history of the house came years ago with a knock on the front door. It was an elderly man who said he was born and raised in that house. His father was and old school boat builder in Morro Bay and had built the house himself, from scratch.
I realized then, that the thud I heard/felt was the sound of the ladder "walking".

I've heard that houses being remodeled can stir up spirits.
Was the builder angry we were changing his original work,
or was he just trying to help me out?
Regardless, it scared my shitless.
After seeing stuff, feeling stuff, and hearing stuff many times over the years, this was the first time anything moved. I mean, c'mon...an inanimate object like a ladder making its way all the way across the house. That's F'd up!

The house was going up for rent....
I left the new tenants a little note, finger painted on the top of a kitchen cabinets.
JEFE PAINTED THIS HAUNTED HOUSE 7-07
If the new tenants were experiencing anything weird
that should confirm some stuff for them!


Oh, by the way, I drove back south a few days later for a job in Long Beach . A widower suffering from Alzheimer's had just passed on himself, in that very house, where his wife had died too. All their possessions remained as left, a full time capsule, cobwebs and all.
I, once again, chose to work late in an old house that I SHOULD have been spooked in.
Nothing weird or spooky. I just put the paint where it ain't, by myself, late at night.


So what about those places- where there is a "confirmed" presence? Where people have seen, heard, and felt "something" for years?

And what about those of us that tend to experience these "ghosts" more than others?
I've been told I must be "sensitive". WTF, I'm over it! I'd much rather be a skeptic.


mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:48am PT
I stopped at Taco Bell and the lady at the window said "Son, you look like you seen a ghost."
Taco Bell - This fast food restaurant in Wooster is the site of ghostly music, usually comical or sad in nature. Only a few people can actually hear the music at any given time. The resident ghost has been known to occasionally grab people.
http://www.ohioexploration.com/waynecounty.htm

Credit: Cathy Acker illustrator
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:41am PT
ron--

the lady will be lucky if she can move away from such a ghost, which is reminiscent of the "entity" case down here in culver city, investigated by thelma moss and her graduate students back when the paranormal was a respectable pursuit at ucla.

i've been acquainted with richard senate of ventura, a career ghost hunter, and you may want to get in touch with him. i took richard's "ghost course," which he used to teach every other year at oxnard community college, and his research is solid and informed.

most classic poltergeists have a "focus", and the focus is a person, not a place. the focus is often a young woman coming into puberty, and it has been suggested that subconscious psychic forces are part of the play. that this woman has a physical handicap may indicate a certain psychological internalization, for want of a better description, and then it becomes a metaphysical question whether the phenomenon begins and ends with her or involves an outside "entity" attracted to her. there's no way to resolving such arguments. it depends on what the individual wants to believe.

poltergeists can get pretty hostile, as in the culver city case, or the famous bell witch case of the 19th century, portrayed, rather badly, in the movie an american haunting. the entity movie was a little better, but also took liberties with facts.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:47am PT

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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:53am PT
Why do ghost stories always involve an individual event ?

Sometimes WAR takes out 1000 people in a second. John, can you please explain how this results in spiritual peace for those who are violently DEAD before their time ?

My loose observation is that suicide, which is a different mental state than being killed in war, is more common in becoming a ghost. The other factor is that ghosts are hanging out in places where they were familiar and had some attachment and comfort, which isn't the case on a battlefield

Peace

Karl

Ps, there's some haunted cabins in Curry Village that occaisionally do their thing and Sierra Sky Ranch, on the way to Yosemite is famous for being haunted
hossjulia

Trad climber
Where the Hoback and the mighty Snake River meet
Dec 3, 2012 - 10:57am PT
TPR has a spirit that visits Cabin 1 and the lodge building. Pretty sure it is the guy who built the place.
I saw, well something, very early one morning in winter while making coffee. Reflection of a person standing behind me in the coffee pot. As soon as I saw it, I got cold and the back of neck tingled. When I turned, saw a fog/ghost shape move in the main room. I thought a guest had come in, no one there.
A few guests asked us slily if there was anything in Cabin 1. Rick & Jeri have stayed in that cabin. Just cupboards opening and nothing too creepy.

My dog, Max, definitely saw something one day. Day after we closed, it was dusk and we had all gathered in the main building, probably waiting for dinner. Max suddenly starts leaping at the rafters, then barking at them. Eyes riveted to one spot. Someone (Henny?) looked up there expecting to see a weasel, nothing. His eyes never left that spot. Then he stopped barking and sat firmly like someone had told him too. That's when we all got the willies and somebody ran outside. Then it was gone and Max was looking around like "What? What just happened?"

I have more.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 11:18am PT
From what ive learned yesterday, some people have the ability to connect with these spirits. Normally it starts at an early age. If a person is the type that is bent on logic, then they obviously arent open or disposed to any of this.. MY friend in MRKL says she isnt a mind reader, nor is she a witch or anything else. She just started seeing and feeling things early in life.. She said she never asked for it but they come- not her choice at all.

What is dangerous about this case, she says, is that the ghost is lashing out at the lady now and it could get worse.

So we have a nice lady that has now been to the ER clinic three times from "something" that bruised her, put lumps on her head and leaves her on the kitchen floor smelling alcohol when she cant smell at all. Her grandchildren have all asked that they never go there again- thats how scared the kids were.


My logic side says,, chloroform, pranksters- maybe someone out side at night talking? But that sounds far fetched as well.

My logic side said she may just be a tweaked out tweaker, yet she isnt..


My logic side says i havent seen any such things, but there are many things i havent seen that are known to exist. I cant see wind, but its there. I cant see germs, but they are everywhere.


My logic side now wonders about other sides and things unseen..


locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:27am PT

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Boo!!!...







EDITED:

As far as Ghosts go???...

RIGHT!!!...

Sure thing!!!...





NONSENSE!!!...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 11:32am PT
thats what i first said to doood.. BUT ,, now after sum edjumucashun on this,, i do indeed wonder.

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:34am PT

"i do indeed wonder."...

I don't...

Not in the slightest...

and I've personally seen some weird sh!t...

But weird sh!t simply doesn't add up to there being an AFTERLIFE...

Why people can't face the simple fact that we live then we DIE is beyond me...

;-)

Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:49am PT
from my notes for richard's ghost course--types of ghosts:

1. crisis apparition--a very common story--a loved one who is far away, often away at war, appears by someone's bed, rather briefly. later it is learned that they have died. a way of saying goodbye.

2. the post mortem ghost--there are a number of cases which involve recently deceased people, but not at the time of death or "crisis"--usually about 12 hours later. these ghosts are purposeful, and they are often involved in saving someone's life. they go on to eternity, or whatever you want to call it. it's sort of a one-shot deal.

3. the classic haunting--this is the location-oriented ghost, and it's usually encountered in some sort of repetitive behavior, doing the same thing, by different witnesses at different times. it seems to play over and over again, like some sort of film loop, and it's often linked to a tragic event such as a violent death, a murder, a suicide. richard calls this ghost a "psychic scar". but sometimes it's not so tragic--sometimes just a person with a big ego or a "big" personality who can't let go of their earthly life--e.g., the ghost of abbott kinney, the imaginative but ultimately frustrated developer of venice, california, reportedly encountered occasionally along the street which bears his name.

4. poltergeists--you don't see them. they make sounds or they make things move around. they usually "focus" on a person of above-average intelligence who may be sexually repressed or under some sort of stress. the focus is more often a woman than a man. the average "life" of a poltergeist is about six weeks, but sometimes things go on much longer, as in the cases i mentioned.

5. living ghosts--the so-called doppelgangers. some famous people involved in such legends, as goethe, abraham lincoln and catherine the great. goethe seems to have encountered himself across time, another element of the ghostly.

6. retro- and precognition--famous cases of time-travel, as in an adventure (book) to the versailles of marie antoinette, or the 1928 airplane flight over england which came onto a world war 2 airbase, a genuine report picked up by rod serling for a twilight zone episode.

richard's course involved a few field trips, including one in which i seem to have bumped into the old vaquero's ghost at ortega adobe in ventura (worth another story, really). but richard has lots more ghost stories, has published a number of books on the subject, and has also gotten involved with problem cases such as you mention here, ron. if this lady is being injured and there is no credible explanation, it may be time to get one of these nontraditional people involved. the woman in culver city had a very rough go of it.

another good resource would be kerry gaynor, who was one of thelma moss's graduate students, and currently works in hypnotherapy in los angeles.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 11:52am PT
Well, Ill tell you why i think there is something to this.

For three days i watched my father slowly slip away in a hospital. They started a morphine treatment where he would slip in and out of lucidity.
He talked with his grandfather, father, and even friends he had when he was six or seven.

My LOGICAL side said it was just memories being brought up by the medications.

But after three days i had come away with the knowledge that there is INDEED something beyond. Even my ancient ancestors believed this to be true as well..


Not to mention that while talking with my Energy Healing friend abut this yesterday, several time i found myself chilled- and the hair on my neck standing..Im not used to that sort of thing either!!!!
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:03pm PT



Credit: locker
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locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:06pm PT


PS...

Could one of you Ghost hunters please give my dead Dad and Brother a message for me please???...

Tell them dinner is at five, casual...

and I'll be serving their favorite...





















































BULLSH!T SOUP...

;-)

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
Yeah yeah;-)

But if you had been talking with that poor Lady, seeing her dark circled eyes from lack of sleep, the lumps on her head and bruises on her body- you might be scratchin yur head too! Then there are those kids all of whom are scared shitless to go back there.



ps,, IM one of those that says BS over MOST things!!
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:14pm PT


"you might be scratchin yur head too!"...


More likely my ass...

But that would be because of an improper wipe...

Not GHOSTS!!!...

;-)

Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
don't let locker bother you here, ron. his experience of the sublime and unusual has never gotten far beyond the blue butt plug.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
I thought this forum was about ghosts not goats..?
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:19pm PT



"his experience of the sublime and unusual has never gotten far beyond the blue butt plug."...

Because there is no need to go any further...

DUH!!!...

;-)

mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
Locker, that brings to mind the Hardy Boys' mystery, The Ghost in the Outhouse.

Turns out the "ghost" was...a very long-lasting fart from their great-uncle Fulton "Fool" or "Har-har" Hardy.

I am sure, for my part, that both Batso and Dolt are cruising the Taco. There must be others.

splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:23pm PT
It was around dawn one morning and I was sound asleep, suddenly I sat bolt upright and was wide awake, and I NEW someone was there in my room, waiting for me to awake, before I EVEN opened my eyes!

There at the foot of my bed was this dark (black as coal) presence, about six feet tall, a very lurid and foreboding presence. The only way I can describe it is, if you took all the evil in the universe, all the evil that has ever happened from the beginning of time and condensed it down into one object, one supernatural presence, entity or person (whatever you want to call it). I'm talking about ALL the evil, wickedness or darkness that has EVER occurred, every murder, rape, disease, bloodshed, slaughter, horror, deplorable act, etc., you name it! If you could put all that wickedness into one object, condense it into one spot, well there it was!

BUT, I felt absolutely NO fear, although I was mesmerized. I mean, ABSOLUTELY mesmerized. Wouldn't you be? I will answer that question myself, YES you would! Not only was it the embodiment of evil, it was an energy, a power so great (perhaps the wrong word) that it got your attention, demanded your attention, engulfed your attention. (that's about the best i can do, there really are no words that can describe it)!

I sat there in my bed, staring at it in all its glory (perhaps the wrong word, also) for several minutes. Then suddenly, my mouth started to move and words started coming out. It was NOT me forming those words, it was NOT me mentally thinking about what I was going to say. In fact, at first I tried to look down at my mouth (try as you will, you can't actually see your own mouth) to see if it was really moving, my lips opening and closing, me actually speaking the words I was hearing. Of course I could feel my mouth moving and hear the words that were coming out, and I recognized my own voice. But it was NOT me planning, forming and physically saying those words. But then it was. It was so bazaar to feel your mouth opening and closing and listening to something it was saying, and you had absolutely ZERO control over it!

What came out, what "I" said, was a bible verse. To top it off, I know very few bible verses, it is something that 1) I just never put any time into, and 2) the few times I did, it took me weeks to memorize the simplest verse, so i didn't bother. So, I was further amazed that something I had never memorized so freely flowed past my tongue and lips and out of my very own mouth!

And, the instant I finished saying the short verse, this entity was gone. It was as if it were a huge bubble that was blown from one of those bubble blowers clowns have, and it was suddenly popped (i'm just saying that it disappeared that quick, not that it looked like a giant bubble).

Well, in short, I thanked God for coming to my rescue, and went back to sleep. And believe me, "to my rescue" was precisely how I viewed it. Because, like i said, it had me mesmerized, transfixed by its power, by what it represented, by what it had done and could do, by what it was. I can't and won't go into it anymore than that, because like I said, I don't have the words. Before I fell back asleep I do recall thinking, "Wow, that's one verse I won't ever forget!"! But I didn't write it down. I should have, but didn't!

Like I also said, I wasn't in the least bit afraid. I was absolutely "WTF", I mean who wouldn't be? But i had been sleeping very well, and I appreciated a good nights sleep/rest, so I simply went back to sleep!

Then, suddenly, I was jarred awake a second time! And once again, I sat bolt upright in my bed and i also, once again, new something was there in my room waiting for me, before I EVEN opened my eyes!

And one again, it was just like the first time (a few minutes before). I was mesmerized (anyone would be, believe me). I don't think I even attempted to say a bible verse, let alone try to remember the one that had previously came out of my mouth ( i later realized i had forgotten it anyway). Like I said, I was transfixed. And once again, i had NO fear. And once again, a bible verse came out of my mouth, a verse that I had NOT mentally even thought about, let alone attempted to form our say in my own cerebral capacity (or however you want to put it). And once again I swore I wouldn't forget that verse, would put it to use should this happen a third time, and promptly went back to sleep!

BAM!! A third time I awoke. A third time I sat bolt upright in my bed. And for the third time, BEFORE I even opened my eyes, I new there was someone or something standing in my bedroom and at the foot of my bed, that had come there to encounter me, specifically.

To be cont...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 12:24pm PT
well give me some alternative ideas as to this situation! I NEED em! lol!

It wasnt like i said to myself,, ya know,, ill start believing in ghosts now. The fact that since we have been informed, that both my buddy and i have been 100% un easy is also strange.

I have never believed in this stuff TILL now..Im not pre-disposed as others are. I beleive there is a heaven and hell, but hell is the now.. How else do you explain never ending wars,, diseases that cripple good people and such..
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:24pm PT

There have been times when I've huffed enough GLUE to cross over to the other side...

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:26pm PT
Ron...I remember when my father was dying and how do i say , out of his mind , frantically calling out for his brother who had long passed....Weird...RJ
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
Damn, Splitter, now you're making me scared to be in the same state as you!
Do you ever have, like, normal days?
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
1. crisis apparition--a very common story--a loved one who is far away, often away at war, appears by someone's bed, rather briefly. later it is learned that they have died. a way of saying goodbye.

There's a story in my family, who ironically don't believe in an afterlife, about grandmother getting a knock on her bedroom door and knowing it was her estranged ex-husband who lived 100 miles away. She called her daughter living in the other city to find he was suddenly dead.

When my Dad was a kid, (and he's not sure of an afterlife either) he saw apparitions of a lovely young woman. He told his folks and the showed him a picture of a young lady who had died early in the house. It was her!

Locker, why be upset over wanting to be believe or disbelieve something for which you really have no evidence?

Peace

Karl
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
Any skeptics in this crowd??

IMO, there are No ghosts, only hallucinations of ghosts.

There is newly discovered phenomenon called 'awake dreaming', or something like that.

and basically the person is experiencing a dream like reality while completely awake, or so they think, and claim.

I'll look for a link.

The skeptical societies have debunked every claim of "ghosts" that they have investigated.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:35pm PT
Here's a trippy Yosemite story.

My best buddy from High School worked in YOsemite with me. He had this girlfriend for awhile. During the day she was rather ordinary but at night she would talk in her sleep and could even walk and do things in her sleep. When she talked she could assume other personalities including one of an ex-boyfriend who had died an untimely death (maybe suicide) and had been obsessed with her. Let's call him Bob.

It was a trip. He told me when she was talking in her sleep he could ask her (in Bob personality stuff like) "How many fingers am I holding up?" She would be asleep, facing the other way, and answer him exactly how many fingers he was holding up an when he changed fingers.

Later, they broke up, and she left the area. Months later he finally got lucky with another lady. His ex-girlfriend soon called him in her sleep (which she used to do) and told him "Bob told me you'd been a bad boy!"

Just sayin'

Peace

Karl
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:36pm PT


"Locker, why be upset over wanting to be believe or disbelieve something for which you really have no evidence?"...

I'm not the only one that doesn't have evidence...





As far as being, "Upset"???...

Really???...

I SEEM, "upset"???...

LOL!!!...

Right!!!...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:38pm PT



It's FUN to THINK there MIGHT be an "Afterlife"...

But that's really all there is to it...

No REAL evidence anywhere to PROVE otherwise...

Sorry!!!...

Just doesn't exist...

Hokus Pokus at best...



EDITED:

Some call it FAITH...



Ljohnson

Social climber
The land of ice, snow and rocks
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:46pm PT
I worked in a 100+ year old hotel for several years. All of the staff that had worked there for more than a few years had encounters. It really surprised me at first how matter of fact everyone that worked there was about the ghosts.
There were two rooms that had seen suicides and one that had a murder suicide.
When I started working there I was a firm non-believer in ghosts, after several years of hearing guests talk about having the same experiences in these rooms I could no longer doubt that something was going on.
By the time I quit working there I had no doubt that people who died distressed deaths left some sort of "imprint" in the places that they died. I even saw the murder victim walking the halls around the room she died in, in broad daylight, until she just disappeared right before my eyes.
Weird stuff.
But, what really takes the cake is an experience I had in the desert south west with a skinwalker. Another buddy of mine had an absolutely terrifying encounter with this same creature.
With the ghosts I was inquisitive and scientific, looking for explanations and evidence before drawing conclusions, but in regards to the skinwalker both my buddy and myself are simply hoping never to see one again and trying to think about the experience as little as possible.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 12:54pm PT
Reilly - Damn Splitter, now your making me be scared to even be in the same state as you. Do you ever have, like, normal days?
LOL!

The stories I have told, perhaps a dozen or so incidents (i haven't told all of them) are over a 50 year period. The VAST majority of my days are very normal. I'm only talking about once in every 5 years or so (supernatural type things). I have had a lot of close calls, or "near death experiences" (as MisterE asked about on his thread) plus "disturbing events" thread incidents, etc! More than my share perhaps, but everyone has those. As far as the one I just described, those are very rare, and they are not all negative, on the contrary!

Believe me, if you needed to be "near" anyone in any type of negative (for lack of a better word) situation, it would be a Christian that you would want to be near! Besides, it's me that anything harmful or negative (however you want to put it) is being directed towards. And I have MAJOR back up, and absolutely NO fear whatsoever! Therefore, neither should you, imo!!

So, no worries, eh?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
Uh, OK, if you insist.

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Credit: Reilly
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
Locker, can you SEE germs on door handles? Nope. Can you SEE cells of life with the naked eye? Nope. can you see humidity? Not really.

Can you see wind? no, just the reaction of things in it. Can you see Love or do you feel it?

I totally agree its easier to think in logical term- black and white..
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:08pm PT
Splitter....Reilly has me on speed dial and will send me down there to fix your issues...You have to pick up the bar tab and surf board rentals...RJ
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:11pm PT


"Locker, can you SEE germs on door handles? Nope. Can you SEE cells of life with the naked eye? Nope. can you see humidity? Not really."...

Ron...

ALL the above CAN be seen...

FACT!!!...


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
Locker...Have you ever seen a grown man naked..?
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:14pm PT


...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:17pm PT
yes they can be seen, but NOT by our eyes. It takes special equipment designed to capture those images, much like the different photography techniques to capture "ghosts"..


Im the LAST person i would have thought to bring up a thread such as this trrrrrust me on that one. I call a spade a spade and a dick a dick.

But from the git go- the original emails to my buddy and that ONE question of if the Uncle had died at 1:15 am,, i thought this to be credible. And i dont know why.



Do you like GLADIATOR movies little billy???;-)
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:19pm PT

...


It's REAL because it say's so!!!...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Rotting;
Have you ever seen a rock you couldn't climb?
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:21pm PT


Cosmic...

have you ever seen a JOINT you couldn't smoke???...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:31pm PT


"much like the different photography techniques to capture "ghosts".."...

FACT!!!...

I have a cert, BFA and MFA all in Photography...

Taught at three colleges...

Had three Studios...

There is no such equipment...

DOES NOT EXIST!!!...





FAKE, PHONEY, NOT REAL!!!...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:36pm PT
Locker,, that lady was very happy to be buying that place. She still wants to live there. But Three times she has woken up in the kitchen on the floor with bruises and lumps on her head. All three times she went to the ER clinic. These are well documented. My buddy personally saw the lumps and bruises on her.

She has NO history of any other strange dealings, beatings or anything else. No arrest record either.

Even my choctaw peoples long ago had a spirit release ceremony. It involves seven red poles, 13 grapevine loops and a small white flag with a chant to rhythmically tapped together sticks. The same procedure ill be doing out in the NV wilds soon.
Ive met and conversed with the lady who is an excellent lip reader. She is need of help. In addition to that,, IF this IS true, then I owe it to Uncle T to help him become the spirit hunter i believe he wishes to be.

Have you ever talked to Bachar? I have, NOT that i received an answer though.. I talk with Dano and other freinds no longer here, my parents and sister all the time actually. When im working in the shop and use one of my Dads tools - i often glance upward and say "thanks Pa for the help!" Just a small thing im sure most of us do. Or we cuss an old climbing mate that passed as we struggle up one of his routes right? It that JUST a remembrance or is it at those times,, we get brushed by the spirit world?

Personally i have always thought it was the latter. Ive had those times when i KNEW someone/thing had just stepped in to protect me. Those times when you go,,, WTF????

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:39pm PT
Ron...

truth is...

I am in total support of whatever works for the individual...

We all have our own realities...

Live in our own worlds...

Then die...

;-)

Credit: locker
...


rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
Cosmic...Have you ever seen a piece of decroded crap you couldn't eat...? :/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:49pm PT
note: while typing and responding here, ive had several instances of a chill- on the back of my neck. Ive been having them for a few days now.


I DONT LIKE THIS CRAP EITHER! My buddy is in the same sort. And he does not believe in the hereafter AT ALL. He told me last night when he was arriving in Ely for his elk hunt that he has been completely upset since we found out. Its his buddy/uncle. The uncle left Steve 100% in charge of his affairs. I helped him spread his ashes on a NV peak. And when someone you cared for is stuck anywhere, your gonna help right? Doesnt matter if its on a hillside stuck in the mud, or in between life, and liberty.

Uncle didnt die a good death. It was early, and self induced and he knew it was happening. And he was in a very isolated and small NV settlement of a town. Some would call him an as#@&%e in life and like a lot of us he could certainly be that way. The alcohol had its bad effects on him those around him saw that clearly, yet he continued. So im sure he has some regrets, and fears just like all of us. If theres a fraction of one percent chances that this is real, then its worth my efforts and others efforts to get this solved. It never hits you till it deals with you.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:52pm PT


Rotting...

have you ever done the "Two finger move"???...

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 01:54pm PT
Ive been waiting for Bmacd to chime in here-- seeing as how i still dont think there bigfeets roaming around,, but now find myself possibly convinced of a haunting. Good opportunity to rip me a new one lol! ( wouldn't blame him either)





edit: or its a couple of people out there who are using chloroform on here- smacking her around then leaving her on the kitchen floor. Three times.
Still trying to make sense of her SMELLING alcohol when she cant smell though.


Is THAT a likely scenario??
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:57pm PT

There is a better chance of BIGfoot than there is of GHOSTS...

But of course, neither actually exists...

Be cool as sh!t if they did...



EDITED:

"I also saw an unexplained white mist at some lakes below university peak."...

Escaping gases??? (I have no real idea if this even occurs)...

Psilocyborg

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 01:58pm PT
I visited my nephew and his girlfriends home for the firat time. I was sitting on the couch and was thinking about how it was an old house, lots of memories, then I thought "someone died right there!"

A couple weeks later they tell me they are moving because the house is haunted. A man was murdered in the living room right where I was looking when I had the thought. I didnt know that when I had the thought so it was wierd.

To this day they swear there was a ghost.

I also saw an unexplained white mist at some lakes below university peak.

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
some interesting things: My Choctaw ancestors believed that there were four stages for transitioning into the spirit world, much like the energy healers of today think of it as stages. This has been going on for quite some time- there are many organizations and practitioners now of this kind of thing. Its HUGE really, and deals a lot with eastern medicines and practices which are eerily like those of old Native Americans.

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:06pm PT


People BELIEVE all sorts of things that AREn't true...

the 9/11 BS is a great example...

GHOSTS is another...

LOL!!!...

SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
In college I was visiting California and decided to take off the fall semester and not return to school in Pa. Mid August I had a vivid dream about my boyfriend being killed in a car accident with a truck. I decided to return to school. I never told him about the dream. On Oct 8th of that year he was killed by colliding with a truck. Now, there is a gallows humor to the story that after many years I was able to smile about.....he was on his way to see another girlfriend that he had at home. Funeral: Awkward!
I've had other premonitions but nothing that specific.

My poltergeist experiences involve an elderly great aunt that mainly involved "seeing" her around my grandmothers house and hearing ice clinking in a glass at night....she always took a glass of ice water with her to bed. I never knew her nor about her ice water and my Grandmother turned pale when I told her of my experiences.


Susan
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:15pm PT


Everytime you THINK you see a Ghost...

repeat these words over and over to yourself...
















































"I have an overactive imagination"...

Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:16pm PT
"Cosmic...Have you ever seen a piece of decroded crap you couldn't eat...? :/ "








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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:17pm PT
locker , at this point the truths are that a lady has been to the ER three times with the same bruising and lumps on the head after she "found herself" on the kitchen floor. The lumps and bruises are real. The children being scared shitless is also real.

So far every one spending a night there since the Uncle died has had some experience. Those are the knowns here.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:19pm PT
I find this interesting read:

"What is it about the thought of supernatural things that intrigues people so much? I should say alleged supernatural things. Maybe it’s not intrigue. Maybe it’s something else…

People are intellectually lazy! Why do people believe in the supernatural? ESP, psychics, Astrology, ghosts, etc? Because it’s easy to just say that something is caused by supernatural forces, rather than to actually think about things, to do a little research or even perform an experiment… to actually find out what the cause of something is. It’s really not that hard.

I want to talk about ghosts for now. What are ghosts? Or, what do people purport ghosts to be? Basically, what survives of our soul or spirit (whatever you want to call it) after we die. Okay. Let’s take a look at just what this would imply.

In order for something to exist, it has to consist of something. To start with, everything consists of atoms. From there, we know that atoms emit energy. And energy has certain limits, as does matter, or atoms. The first thing we know for certain is that one object cannot pass through another object and retain its original form. There is a certain topic in quantum mechanics called “quantum tunneling” which deals with this very topic. The quantum tunneling principle basically says that it may be possible for the energy from an object, namely on the atomic level – not automobiles or people, may pass through another object.

It follows that if ghosts are real, in that they consist of matter, then they cannot pass through walls. It is physically impossible.

The next topic to deal with are the claims that people make that ghosts throw objects, move chairs, open and close doors, etc. These claims make believers chose one or the other. Either ghosts are physical beings, or they are not. Either they consist of atoms, or they don’t. We know this is true because in order for a ghost to move or throw anything, or to turn a door handle, friction is required. And friction is caused by two surfaces working against each other. Simple physics… not to be confused with psychics.

Because friction is required, then any claim that a ghost caused some object to move locks one into saying that a ghost is a solid object, or that at least it is atomic in structure and is in some phase of matter, i.e. solid, liquid or gas… probably not plasma. And if this is the case, then the ghost could not “become invisible” unless it was bound by specific temperatures. Meaning, whatever material the ghost consisted of has a particular temperature at which it changes states of matter – boils, melts, evaporates, etc. And the way to make the ghost visible is to simply change its form from a gas to a solid… to simply lower the temperature to make its material “solid.” And with everything we know about matter, if you were to bring an actual human being to its boiling point… well, you know what would happen.

To say that the ghost is not a solid or physical object totally goes against everything that we know about science. If one claims that a ghost is not made of matter, or atoms, then it totally throws out the possibility of its existence. Everything we know about energy and matter totally contradicts this theory. In order to interact with reality, it has to consist of something. And if these alleged ghosts do consist of something other than any kind of matter or energy that we know of, then they do not even enter into our reality. They cannot interact with us on any possible level and are outside the realm of science. The most one could say, in this situation, is that they were agnostic in terms of belief in ghosts, because they would be neither visible, nor noticeable in any circumstance. They could neither show themselves to us, nor could they interact with any object in order to “show us a sign.” They would be likened to the pink Unicorn on the dark side of the Moon. No one is there to see it, and it doesn’t effect us in any way, so whether or not there is a pink Unicorn on the dark side of the Moon means nothing to us.

So what do we do? Do we rewrite every book on science, physics and biology to support the wild claims of a few people who have never actually proven any in any scientific way? Or, do we simply disregard these claims as the result of the inner workings of these people’s imaginations, and rely on thousands of years of human observation, and hundreds of years of compounded, unrefuted scientific knowledge? You tell me.

Then we come to these “Ghost Hunter” shows on television. These people are, to start with, not scientists. They say so themselves. They have an agenda. To prove that ghosts do, in fact, exist. Any evidence that points in any other direction is disregarded. And look at the equipment they bring to these sites: Geiger counters, Infrared surface thermometers. Are they looking for nuclear fallout? They wave that stupid Infrared surface thermometer around wildly and say, “Look, the temperature is constantly changing.” Yeah, no kidding. You don’t know how to use that thing. It’s for measuring the temperature of a solid surface, not for waving around the room like a magic wand. Of course you’re going to get odd readings.

The main problem is that they never actually do any real scientific research. The first main component in scientific research is hypothesis testing. Say, for example, you believe there might be ghosts in a certain location. Ok. So what are these ghosts purportedly doing? Moving an object around the room? Making the temperature change? Well, design an experiment that aims to disprove that theory. That’s how the Scientific Method works. You don’t start with a conclusion and look for every bit of evidence that supports that claim, then disregard anything that doesn’t support it. It’s the same thing with “Creation Scientists.” They want to prove that God created everything, so that’s the only evidence they look for. When they see that biology and genetics prove that people evolved from other forms of life, they throw that evidence away because they aren’t interested in the truth. They want to prove that “God did it.”

In this way, the Scientific Method doesn’t work for ghost hunters. These guys go in there with a whole bunch of crap they bought at Radio Shack, stuff that isn’t designed to “detect ghosts.” Then they go through looking for things they can’t explain. Like why they get electromagnetic readings when they’re in a room with an electrical panel. Hmmm… I wonder why? Could it be that there is electricity in the room? Then, in the true scientific spirit, instead of trying to figure out what caused the strange occurrence (say, for example, having the electric company shut off the power to the house, and then performing another reading), they simply assume it was a ghost causing these readings. How intellectually lazy these people are. It’s nonsense.

Then there are people who claim to have had very real experiences which include things such as a ghost attacking them, accompanied by the feeling of paralysis, being unable to breathe, etc. These experiences are very vivid to those who have them.

These experiences are easily explained. Here is a link to a study on the topic, although this study was done on those who claimed to be abducted by UFOs. But the situations are similar enough to note this study. Both are relatively similar experiences.

Basically, what happens is when one falls asleep, there is a part of the brain stem that paralyzes the body once you enter REM sleep. This happens so that you don’t act out your dreams. The frightening thing that can happen is that the sleeping person wakes up, but this part of the brain stem fails to release its paralyzing effect on the body. The person cannot move, possibly has a very difficult time breathing, and also possibly is still experiencing the dream they were having. It’s called a waking dream, and the person experiencing it is totally convinced that what is happening in their mind is happening in reality.

The basic point that I want to make is that instead of immediately jumping to the supernatural conclusion, try doing some experimentation to actually discover what really caused what you claim to be ghost activity. You’ll be surprised at what a little research will reveal.

Do some research and read a book."
...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:21pm PT


"locker , at this point the truths are that a lady has been to the ER three times with the same bruising and lumps on the head after she "found herself" on the kitchen floor"...



Be interesting to see what would happen if she wore a helmet...

locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:22pm PT


ANY chance this is her son???...




Cosmiccragsman

Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
^^^^
DAM!
He missed the Beer bottle he was trying to NAIL into the wall!
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:27pm PT
Yes,Locker, that is exaclty how i think USUALLY!


Ive always been a simple guy- if it lives, it makes tracks, if it makes tracks then i can find it.


I have OFTEN really wanted to converse to my relatives and friends whom have passed, but its always been pretty much a one sided conversation in factual content. I have NO proof positive of the un explained. I was on the phone yesterday with someone who does practice energy healing
and eastern medicines and learned quite a bit about something i knew nothing of.


Am i saying i believe this 100%,, no im not there yet. But this is a strange happening for the half moon climbing team...
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:39pm PT
There is so much bullshit tied on with 9/11 that anyone who questions anything is now smeared with that entire brush. The same things happens with things like spirits. There is so much misinformation out there, plus they aren't exactly easy things to define, and like people, there is a very broad range of them. Some are extremely evil, but most are benign. The extremely evil ones are the cagiest.

The police believe that there are mass murders that never get caught. They are real. They exist. We spend huge amounts of money trying to catch them. Yet some don't get caught. That is not a great simile to what is happening with spirits, but its the best I can do this morning. I believe that the people who start these "ghost hunter" shows have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. These people are more addicted to the limelight then the truth, and they attract those people with stories who are also attracted to the limelight and between the two of them, they start to believe that they actually know something. Most people I know who have had to deal with more then simply benign spirits wish like hell they never had these experiences and wish like hell that they did not believe in them.

Jim. If I misread you last night, then i apologize. I'm sure I was on the prod, so likely I jumped a bit too hard. I hope that you won't hold any hard feelings against me.

T bird. That list you give doesn't begin to cover the more nasty things out there.

John
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:40pm PT
rottingjohnny - Splitter....Reilly has me on speed dial and will send me down there to fix your issues...You have to pick up the bar tab and the surf board rentals...RJ
I new I could count on you for back up, bro! thnx!

Agreed, bar tab and board rental are on me, actually I have a great longboard (& wetsuit) you could use!

BTW, Should it go down, try and locate that Simms skateboard that I sold Joe, bitd! And bring it with ya, b'cuz it could come in handy should things get REALLY sketchy (for an example, maybe check out the Exorcist one more time, lol) and in just case ya have a sudden urge to get the hell outta here! ...Nahmean? ;)
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:45pm PT
" Most people I know who have had to deal with more then simply benign spirits wish like hell they never had these experiences and wish like hell that they did not believe in them"--JohnM





That is EXACLTY what my friend in MRKL said about her abilities. Word for word.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:46pm PT


" Most people I know who have had to deal with more then simply benign spirits wish like hell they never had these experiences and wish like hell that they did not believe in them"--JohnM...


MOST mentally ill people wish they weren't...

Just saying...

;-)

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:52pm PT
you beady eyed bud chomper!;-)


Hey,, dont think i didnt know what to expect here ! But like i said- ive done far more embarrassing shyt than this.

I once got snookered into doing a TOTALLY naked stage dance for a certain bartendress that was leaving for a new job...In the bar, stuffed FULL of her friends, while it was showed live over the internet. right down to and including da socks. I had no g-string,, found some dollar bills stuffed in my crack though...

So shame,,,, is for wussies lol!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
In order for something to exist, it has to consist of something. To start with, everything consists of atoms. From there, we know that atoms emit energy. And energy has certain limits, as does matter, or atoms. The first thing we know for certain is that one object cannot pass through another object and retain its original form......

It follows that if ghosts are real, in that they consist of matter, then they cannot pass through walls. It is physically impossible.

This is all based on false assumptions and pretends that science knows anything about the spiritual world, which it does not. (but may in time) Right now Gamma rays and other radiation, not to mention cell phone conversations, TV Channels and other radiowave stuff are passing right through your body every minute.

and it's also known that invisible stuff that's real, like radiation can also affect us, even kill us.

So I don't know if Ghosts can rattle things or not or how they do it, but it's time we admit we don't have such a complete handle on everything in the world that we would like

I'm sure the dudes 1000 years ago, when confronted with things we know to be true from our science today, would cluck their tongues and call us crazy

Peace

karl
John M

climber
Dec 3, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
It follows that if ghosts are real, in that they consist of matter, then they cannot pass through walls. It is physically impossible.

An ex ray is defined as being made up of photons which have no mass, and yet they exist and they pass through matter.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 02:59pm PT
in 1969,, hand held communicators were only on startrek , now they are common - even hand held computers.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 03:01pm PT
Splitter....I forgot about the skate board..I saw Joe at our daughters tennis matches one saturday...Forgot to ask him about the Simms....Knowing Joe , it's probably buried under 3 feet of dried llama dung...RJ
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 03:10pm PT
honestly, i have some concern myself of going out there. A grown man,, sheeeesh.


I offer myself a ball cupping,,,,,


Credit: Ron Anderson
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 3, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
That's not ball cupping, it's pocket pool !
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
we once ran into a group whom had been fooling us for days, in the USFS in DOg Valley CA. For two nights in a row, we spotted a large fire near crystal peak mine area, that we responded to after calling it in and twice we were foiled in FINDING it.
We were even reprimanded by the FMO for faking reports. The third night, we snuck in, no lights , no sirens, not even headlights.


We solved our mystery with five people whom sat around a burning sheep carcass hung by a large tripod in strange robes chanting away. they were using gas to soak the carcass in. They had seen us coming the two previous nights. We tooled em good...


what a pleasure of a call that was: " Sierra dispatch,, 7202, we are at the scene of the fire reported and not found the previous two nights! Please notify Sierra county we need a response to our location.." The next day, an apology from the FMO , and life was back to whacky normal.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 3, 2012 - 06:55pm PT
I grew up in a genuine haunted house. From ages 4 to 12.

Not Demons and bleeding walls stuff but haunted nonetheless.

When my family finally moved away to a brand new house when I was 12 I finally realized how horrible and stressful it was.

Lost Souls? Devils? I have my doubts about that. I have no idea but certainly there are things beyond our current understanding.

And no... no meds... then or now... hehe.

When I watch my own son sleeping blissfully in his bed these days, I remember how foreign that was to me at that age.



locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:13pm PT


THREAD DRIFT:

"I once got snookered into doing a TOTALLY naked stage dance for a certain bartendress that was leaving for a new job..."...

As the "Best man" in a wedding and at an ALL NUDE strip club, I voluntarily got on stage with two ladies and took it ALL off...

Very PROUDLY I might add...

;-)

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
well,, why am i knott surprised...;-)^^^^^
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
Following this interesting thread Ron.
When do ya plan to do the spirit release ceremony?
Hope it works out for those directly effected.
If it doesn't don't tell Locker or you'll never hear the end of it.LOL
Lookin forward to the Release Report.
Tad
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
somwhere around the 15th.. That is IF it all goes accordingly and the lady is beaten or scared to death..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 09:24pm PT
She is neither a dead beat nor a drunk. What do you think the first angles we worked were?? And my buddy is certainly no rube. He has a substantial down from her from the git go. There is no alcohol in the house. My buddy saw that as well.

Four people have all had strange experiences there. The kids reported it independently to their parents and not the lady who is their grandmother.

She is staying there in hopes something can be done to remedy the situation as she likes the locale of the property.


I dont KNOW but ive been told,, eskimo p*ssy is mighty cold, but then again -i dont know.


there are three police and er reports on this, so there is lawfull circumstances here as the mortgage is just now getting finalized so my buddy is responsible for that property still. A little more to consider as there have been court cases regarding this very thing ive been told.


drljefe

climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:29pm PT
Whatevz bruddahs- not trying to convince anyone of anything. You either believe or you don't.
I do.

Continue playin' grabass and saying ghosts don't exist. They don't to you. Cool. Lates!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 09:44pm PT
My friends mom died in her Eagle Rock home..The neighbors found her a few days after she had died...My friend Brian had the house remodeled and rented it out to a single mother with 2 kids...Last time i was down there the mother mentioned to Brian that she could still hear his mother walking thru the house...Brian asked the single mother if she was alright with the noise and she said brians mom was friendly and she was okay with the noise...Go figure..?
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:07pm PT
If you believe in ghosts.....you will see/hear ghosts. ;)
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 3, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
As the "Best man" in a wedding and at an ALL NUDE strip club, I voluntarily got on stage with two ladies and took it ALL off...

On topic if you ask me. I'm sure a number of people were haunted as a result

;-)
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:22am PT


LOL!!!...

Good one Karl...

ec

climber
ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 04:00am PT
I don't believe in ghosts. However, I do believe there are things that are inconceivable to our senses.

In '82 I worked at the California State Prison in Tehachapi as a Correctional Officer. During the midnight count, the place is locked down & inmates are in their bed area. Well, one night my partner and I are waiting for the count to clear. I'm sitting at one of those big ass green metal desks like most of us remember our teachers had in grade school, finishing up the paperwork; my partner kicking it with his feet on the other side of desk opposite from me. Then all of a sudden, this desk raises up off the floor about 4" and then bangs its legs one by one diagonally on the floor. I immediately scoot back in my chair against the wall and stand up, while my partner about tips over and then stands up shouting, "What are you doing, man?!" I replied that I was doing, "Nothing" and raised up my hands. This lasted close to 30 seconds or more, then stopped.

We certainly had the watch commander laughing at us. There was one CO that approached me after the incident to tell me that he believe us, as he had chased what he had thought was an inmate into a restroom to clear the hall of the same building for count, only to find no one. The prison was opened in 1932 and there had been rumors of 'ghosts' since I had started working there.

Believe what you will, but I know what I witnessed. Ghost or not, it was supernatural.

 ec
mitchy

Trad climber
new england
Dec 4, 2012 - 06:18am PT
I used to have weird sh#t happen to me alot. It started when i lived in florida, i would wake up in the middle of the night and it felt like someone or something was pushing down on the foot of my bed. I try to go back to sleep but it would just persist then stop, This wasn't every night, maybe four five times a month. One night i was sound asleep, the bed starts moving down like someone is sitting on the foot of the bed, by now i've had it, scared and pissed, i whip the covers off and look over and see a black shadow go into my closet. Fast forward a few years, i'm visiting my brother and ex-brother in-law in rural Ga. I'm with my girlfriend at the time and i wake up to hear someone whisper my name, I roll over and my chick is staring at me and says did you hear that. I'm like WTF was that. My brother had a Dr's appt. that morning and i thought maybe he came home early and was locked out, wasn't the case. I always had an uneasy vibe from that house. A few years later, i'm in my bed back to the wall, my bed is literally touching the wall, the effing bed starts to move down right at the middle of my back like someone is trying to wake me up sh#t my pants once again, it finally stops. Three years ago, i'm vacuuming my house upstairs, my dog is down stairs barking his ass off and running around like he is playing with someone. I turn off the vacuum and hear childrens laughter coming from down stairs. Haven't heard it since, but still really weird. Oh, and one more thing. Ayear or so ago i had this chick at my house and i went to the store for something or another and when i get home she asks if i smoke, isay no why. She says she thought she smelle d cigarette smoke. Two days ago, i'm in my basement taking the tiles down from my drop ceiling and when i tilt one of the tiles an empty pack of Pall Malls falls onto the floor.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 07:54am PT
Dingus....I have to agree...Ron has entered advanced stages of dementia...The other day he saw sleds flying over Everest...let's humor him and play along....RJ
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Dec 4, 2012 - 08:17am PT
Ghost riders and their sleds in the sky?
SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Dec 4, 2012 - 08:25am PT
Showed up on my FB this morning.....ummmm.....


Showed up on my Facebook page this morning......ummmmmmm.....as a beli...
Showed up on my Facebook page this morning......ummmmmmm.....as a believer.......
Credit: SCseagoat

Susan
Ron Anderson

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Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 10:34am PT
Dinugus,, dingle,,,i guess brusied and lumps on the head are not factual. Nor are three ER and police reports..

Those are facts, and factual. and THAT is all there needs to be.
John M

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:07am PT
This explains it all.



thanks Luggi.. from the largo thread. The man has the answers.
Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:23am PT
i love a good ghost thread--we haven't had one since LEB's cat came back.

Ghost or not, it was supernatural.

that's a point for a nicety. we got people here like dingus, dr. F, and that unreal entity, locker, who try to stamp out incontrovertible evidence simply by asserting that it doesn't exist. if you've ever gone to a skeptic's club meeting--i have on occasion when they (rarely) offer a decent speaker--you'll find yourself among the same sort of crowd you might encounter at a model railroad store--people somehow addicted to a tight, technical little world, playing off the confidence they can derive from fellow believers. to the outside observer, it resembles the fellowshipping at a church of a small denomination of a narrow rigid creed.

my point is, this stuff is natural, very much a part of our natural world. as richard senate pointed out in his ghost course, ghosts are intrinsic to recorded history. yes, some things are conflated or sensationalized for a "good story", but there is a core of truth behind the bulk of it.

i've gotten to like most of my antagonists on ST, but i have to say that i think their vehemence over subjects of difficult belief belies closed minds and insecure points of view.

still waiting for the follow-up on splitter's encounter with what some would call the god of negative energy. i have an academic background in mythology, and i find it interesting how the same themes play from culture to culture. it's hard to escape the theme of basic good versus total evil.

some of the other accounts here confirm a familiar aspect of the paranormal: some people are more sensitive than others. why a so-called "scientific" mind can't accept that is beyond me. it ought to be as approachable as trying to find the right tune-in for a radio signal. a good scientist would take the data and work with it, not reject it outright.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 11:23am PT
IS this where i tell you to go fly a kite dingleberry?

I said THE ER REPORTS EXIST- as do police reports. Now go ahead and call me a liar again...

As for accusing my buddy of anything, you know NOT of what you speak,, not a tiny squeak.




locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:07pm PT

COMMERCIAL BREAK:

...

BACK TO THE SHOW!!!...

this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:43pm PT
Personally I haven't experienced anything first hand, but do believe there's a lot more than what our eyes percieve. Maybe ghosts are extra-dimensional from different times. Maybe we are ghosts to them. I don't know much about physics, but do believe physcisists are on the brink of big things that will change the way we think of this world. Brian Green's The Elegant Universe is a very good read, even for someone who doesn't understand physics. String Theory in particular is a interesting idea. Instead of the known four dimensions, it suggests there are 12 or 13 dimensions total, so small we can't percieve or know the laws of physics there. Wish I understood physics more and am sure I am butchering String Theory, but do know I don't know sh#t about this world and am open minded about what's out there.

One girlfriend I dated told me of her and her friends playing with a Oiuja Board when they were in highschool. At first they were just asking normal questions and getting some simple answers that none thought was too abnormal or scary. One of her friends had a baby in the room that really started to get active and crying/screaming. They asked how to make the baby quit and the response was simple, KILL HER. That was the end of the game and to hear how terrified my girlfriend was talking about it a decade later, I believed the story to be true. Never played with a Oiuja Board and am wondering if anyone has?
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:45pm PT

"They asked how to make the baby quit and the response was simple, KILL HER."...

Since there are no ghosts...

hate to say it...

But there was a potential MURDERER in that group...

;-)


EDITED:

Call those ladies up and find out if any of their kids were shaken into oblivion...

this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
Lol, I kinda thought that too
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:54pm PT

Though funny...

it is actually somewhat TRUE...

Someone in that group had to have been thinking that thought...

Otherwise the damned little indicator job wouldn't have reacted to the question...



EDITED:

Unless of course you believe that a piece of sh!t TOY can determine ones future, past, and everything else in between...
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:04pm PT
Finally some one brought a Ouija Board to the discussion. Now we can get down to the FACTS !

this just in

climber
north fork
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
200 posts and no Oiuja? Not even a Oiuja board would of predicted that.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 02:47pm PT
i dont believe in fortune cookies,, the eight ball prediction toy, nor any board games.

I do however "knock wood" and never say WHATS NEXT!

This is my first serious consideration of anything of this nature. It is ONLY due to the caliber of folks involved and knowing all folks involved and the cirmucstances that i give this consideration.

This isnt bigfoot- who is supposedly here in the flesh. This particular case is, according to those that practice spiritual or energy healings is a classic one. Ive researched the Choctaw beliefs in this area and they are much the same as eastern philosophies. This happened separate and at very different levels of sophistication. So when faced with such a question, the evidence being somewhat circumstantial must still be tallied. When physical evidence such as bruises and lumps on the head are present this, by those in the know, say its a dangerous situation.
that, along with the possibility's, is the reason we will attempt this spirit release. The lady wants the home, my buddy would like her to buy it because she takes care of it and knew the Uncle. There is no one trying to get out of anything here. So the only choice here is to go with the flow, accept the unexplained and do what you can.
Much like an airman basic - who has NO idea WHY he is doing what hes doing other than orders are orders.
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:50pm PT


"It is ONLY due to the caliber of folks involved and knowing all folks involved and the cirmucstances that i give this consideration."...

People from ALL walks have equal opportunity to be NUTS...

;-)

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 03:16pm PT
well sink breath is back!


Hate to tell you but the Choctaw believe in four stages to the spirits release, MUCH like many eastern philosophies.

I am partially Choctaw and you can si- Dwwa ebish....
locker

Social climber
Douchebag Central
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:22pm PT

These of course are ALL real...

How do I KNOW that???...

Well, when someone, anyone, tells me they saw a ghost, of course I believe them...




This should keep some of you busy at least for a little while...

and remember...

it's all, REAL!!!...

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=video+of+real+ghost&oq=video+of+real+g&gs_l=youtube.1.0.0l4.1288.5043.0.7029.21.16.1.3.4.1.285.2489.0j11j4.15.0...0.0...1ac.1.8__Sho-BiKw
Ron Anderson

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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 03:31pm PT
here is a sammich for ya stinkbreath..



Credit: Ron Anderson
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:32pm PT
This should explain everything:

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
BAHAHAHAHAAA! That WUZ funny!

Tony Bird

climber
Northridge, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:20am PT
senate is a little hard to get ahold of, and i don't have his email address any more, but you might find his blog page interesting, and there is contact information there. i think he might be quite interested in this case, ron.

http://rsghostblog.blogspot.com/

besides his ghostly interests, richard is also an historian, and was instrumental in renewing ventura's memory of the early days of erle stanley gardner, who was a ventura lawyer before he became famous for his "perry mason" stories, many of them inspired by local cases. richard published a small book about this and got them to put a plaque on the beautiful old bank building at california and main, where gardner used to have a law office.
Studly

Trad climber
WA
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:51am PT
I have seen at least one ghost, heres my experience. I was working late in my antique shop about 15 years ago. It is a large old 100 year+ building that was a Rexall Drug since the 20's. I was in the basement working late, kneeling on the floor marking out spaces with a tape and calculator, trying to sort out square footage for some rental space. All of a sudden the whole atmosphere changed, I can't explain how, but my hair stood up on end and the calculator just froze up. I looked up and there was a figure standing at the end of the aisle about 30 feet from me. I glanced at it once and that was enough as it was not clearly defined and transparent, but it was humanoid, and I could sense great anger, and I was freaked. It just stood there, and I finally yelled, "What do you want?" There was no response, but then the electricity went out of the atmosphere, the tension faded, and my calculator started working again, and I looked up and it was gone. I had no idea what just happened, but it was very disturbing. However it was evident that whoever had visited was gone.
A couple days later I found out that the old gentleman who occassionally visited me and told me about the old days living in the building, and who had been born and raised in that store as his folks owned the Rexall for many years, had found out he had cancer. He had gone home and gone into his study and put a gun in his mouth and killed himself. This happened same time, same evening that I had my "experience". I don't know for sure who/what the entity was that visited me, but I have a feeling that it was him.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 5, 2012 - 11:43am PT
From my own experience living in a real haunted house as a kid, the "ghosts" if you will seemed to be on more of a behaviorial loop than I'd suspect a sentient "ghost" would be.

Almost as if past actions or maybe even strong emotions get fixed to a point in space and repeat. Like vibrations on a string. My family tried many times in vain to communicate with the ghosts in our old house without any luck. It became just a part of life although still stressful to me as a child.

Whatever it is, it's fairly rare. Aside from my entire childhood of haunted happenings in that house, I've only experienced another such event fairly recently, 20 years later. It was familiar in a strange way, like meeting an old childhood friend. But it ended as quickly as it began.

I've never seen any full-form apparition(i.e. old scary dead dude) which is why I've never been sure of what the source of these events might really be.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2012 - 08:38am PT
UPDATE: We went out to my buddys place yesterday to make a walk through and collect keys etc. The lady has moved out and as it turns out,,,,,,,LIED to us about the "ghost" she has, as it seems that its some little girl now that haunts here EVERY WHERE she goes...

Yes she played on the emotions of both my buddy and I and our friend who believes..

I tried to "feel" anything while there, and came away with the feeling that Uncle T is certainly NOT inhabiting his house in the after world. I could look up at Star Peak and feel him there,, but NOT in the home..

So yeah, in this case it seems it twas all BULLSHEET....

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2012 - 10:14am PT
Dang! Why do i owe ya the first one ,, cant remember..
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 19, 2012 - 10:19am PT
Ahhhh dats right..looks like my tab grows...
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