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JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 29, 2012 - 10:01pm PT
Here's a link to the details.
http://www.marinij.com/westmarin/ci_22090541/drakes-bay-oyster-company-will-have-leave

The ranchers could be next.
The Lamon/Hutchings stakes in The Valley ring a bell, they went to the Supreme Court. Thoughts?
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
This is sad. Emotionally, I'd much rather the oyster farm had been allowed to stay as an historical use.
Their lease was up.
Sen Feinstein (from San Francisco) is not happy about it at all.
"I am extremely disappointed that Secretary Salazar chose not to renew the operating permit for the Drakes Bay Oyster Company," Feinstein said. "The National Park Service's review process has been flawed from the beginning with false and misleading science, which was also used in the environmental impact statement."

I'd say the ranchers are OK for another 20 years at least.
The decision also ensures that, in keeping with the historic use of the land, existing sustainable ranching operations within the national park will continue, Salazar said.

He directed the National Park Service to pursue extending the terms of agriculture permits from 10 years to 20 years to provide greater certainty and clarity for the ranches operating within the national park's pastoral zone and to support the continued presence of sustainable ranching and dairy operations.

Sen. Boxer who lives in Marin County supports the decision
“This has been a very challenging issue, but I have great respect for the decision made by Secretary Salazar to allow this permit to expire at the end of its term. He studied the issue carefully, he listened closely to all sides and, in the end, he made his decision based on the science and the law.”
http://boxer.senate.gov/en/press/releases/112912.cfm
The fact these two local liberal Senators disagree makes it clear it was not an easy decision.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:27pm PT
Times change....a lot of old industries are no longer viable. Most ranching on marginal land in the West is a losing proposition. The sheep ranchers in Patagonia are fast disappearing....forget the nostalgia, in a lot of these cases the environment is the winner.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 10:52pm PT
The operation overall seems low impact, but the decision points to a true wilderness effort. I feel for the proprietors, but I think they had a good ride while it lasted.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:25pm PT
At least 30 more people on unemployment and made homeless.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:29pm PT
Stupid. They had little impact on the environment. This is more feel-good bullshit that kills more jobs in Calif.

So it's okay to get oysters elsewhere, in somebody else's backyard, but not here?

Another reason I hate this feel-good bullshit!
karodrinker

Trad climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
what part of this being a "National Park" are you naysayers unclear about? These should be (but arent) non commercial public use areas. Keep your profiteering on private land. And yea I think the DNC should get evicted from Yosemite too, and the park run as a nonprofit.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Maybe it shouldn't have been declared Nat'l Park, maybe a State Park. Ever been there?

How long has that rig been there? Why was it decided it had to be Nat'l Park?

Times change....a lot of old industries are no longer viable. Most ranching on marginal land in the West is a losing proposition. The sheep ranchers in Patagonia are fast disappearing....forget the nostalgia, in a lot of these cases the environment is the winner.


This is a really silly notion. Old industries??? No longer viable? Yeah, right!

We have the most awesome maritime regs ever, for sustainable harvesting of food.

Go talk to f*#king China and Japan, and then get back to me before you criticize US industry! And Norway too for that matter, the bastion of leftist Utopionism!@

Meh....
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
what part of this being a "National Park" are you naysayers unclear about? These should be (but arent) non commercial public use areas. Keep your profiteering on private land.

They were there before it was a National Park.

But if the Feds don't want to extend the lease so be it.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
Reading comprehension bluering....work on it...meh.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:01am PT
what part of this being a "National Park" are you naysayers unclear about? These should be (but arent) non commercial public use areas. Keep your profiteering on private land. And yea I think the DNC should get evicted from Yosemite too, and the park run as a nonprofit.


Okay, so Yosemite is off limits to climber's defacing a nat'l monument now too? No more hand drilling or piton slamming in the park?

You are a selfish, unthinking bunch. My local crag has been permanently shut down because off people like you because of one f*#king bird! One bird!!!

I f*#king hate do-gooders....

EDIT:
Reading comprehension bluering....work on it...meh.

Why is ranching non-viable? In Patagonia and Drakes Bay?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:10am PT
Here's the area;

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Drakes+Bay,+Marin,+CA&hl=en&ll=37.865097,-122.689819&spn=0.600621,0.883026&sll=37.269174,-119.306607&sspn=9.682765,14.128418&oq=Drakes&hnear=Drakes+Bay&t=m&z=10
John M

climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:14am PT
I f*#king hate do-gooders....

Jesus was a do gooder.. LOL

actually I might agree with you on this one. I like wild areas, but not all jobs are bad. I just don't know much about the history of this one.

I live on private property surrounded by a national park. I would hate to see that private property taken.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:25am PT
Jesus was a do gooder.. LOL

Don't bring the Man into this. This is just pure stupidity.

Environmental reviews? Really? Has that son a of a bitch, Salazar, or anybody, seen Drake's Bay? It's fine.

Why are we funneling arms to Mexico and Syria? Bigger questions.

One dead Mexican Mayor who was a bold woman, and 4 dead Americans in Libya.

Keep tree-hugging though....
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:35am PT
I live and grew up in West Marin and have eaten the oysters almost since the beginning. It's a tough choice....The bay is a beautifully intact model of what the small bays and lagoons of California were like before most all of them were permanently altered for the worse. You have to remember that major plans for development were to take place before the advent of the park. Everyone likes to bag on the park but it would have been a developed nightmare where no-one would want to be. Think Seadrift in Stinson Beach to get an idea (and where Diane Feinstien has a house)of what would have happened there. There were houses built on Limantour spit behind a locked gate (you can still see evidence of them) which was the start of what would have been a Seadrift like sub-division,that were torn down when the park was instituted. Drakes Estero is arguably the most pristine estuary on the coast. True, the oysters were good but I think in this case, it's for the best. If it weren't for the fact that there are oysters grown in Tomales Bay, it would have been harder to do. Go and kayak on the Estero sometime and decide for yourself.
JOEY.F

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2012 - 12:39am PT
It seems like The Company did well with the 40 year variance they got. If it was me, I don't believe I would expect (although I would hope) it would be renewed.
Heyzeus

climber
Hollywood,Ca
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:40am PT
F*#k, i was just about to whole heartedly agree with Bluering until that last post, but after that, oh man. So now I can only agree that the oyster farming should stay. But I did read that memorandum and it seems a deal's a deal. And he threw a bone to the ranchers.

Ate a lot of oysters at Johnson's. Was a cool place as a kid.

I think it sucks. I mostly hate NP's, but's it's better than a shitload of suburban houses
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:44am PT
I live and grew up in West Marin and have eaten the oysters almost since the beginning. It's a tough choice....The bay is a beautifully intact model of what the small bays and lagoons of California were like before most all of them were permanently altered for the worse. You have to remember that major plans for development were to take place before the advent of the park. Everyone likes to bag on the park but it would have been a developed nightmare where no-one would want to be. Think Seadrift in Stinson Beach to get an idea (and where Diane Feinstien has a house)of what would have happened there. There were houses built on Limantour spit behind a locked gate (you can still see evidence of them) which was the start of what would have been a Seadrift like sub-division,that were torn down when the park was instituted. Drakes Estero is arguably the most pristine estuary on the coast. True, the oysters were good but I think in this case, it's for the best. If it weren't for the fact that there are oysters grown in Tomales Bay, it would have been harder to do. Go and kayak on the Estero sometime and decide for yourself.


That's really touching, but will Tomales Bay be next? These f*#kers will never stop! It started with the offshore marine sanctuary that brought all the pain-in-ass seals to SF docks shitting everywhere.

At some point you have to release nature, stop the regulations.

Abalone, whole different story.
wstmrnclmr

Trad climber
Bolinas, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:57am PT
JoeyF...well put but you must know that Lunny isn't a poor generational oyster farmer. He owns a very successful construction company and bought the lease knowing full well that he'd have an uphill battle. This is more of what I'd call a hobby farm of which there are many in Marin. Lunny is not some poor farmer but portrayed himself to a local public sympathetic to farmers (a sympathy I hold for the true generational farmers of the area). If it weren't for the fact that he somehow got the ear of DiFi, it would have been over long ago. DiFi is no environmentalist locally. As was said in the other post, she owns a house on Bolinas Lagoon in a private sub division which has an ongoing failed process for restoration of the lagoon which will never happen because of development. We are so lucky to have Drakes Estero in the shape it's in so close to a major metropolitan area.
Edit: No bluering...Wont happen On Tomales Bay. That's the trade off. Tomales Bay is developed. And I know many of the oyster folk there and am glad they are still in business. But two very different areas.
Jan

Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
Nov 30, 2012 - 01:09am PT
He certainly did portray himself as a multi-generational family farmer. This puts it in a whole other light. Thanks for the info.
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