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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:33am PT
K-Man deletes his post.

You're right, I did some research and found that the Citigo video was released--and I had not heard that. So I deleted my post questioning the veracity of the video.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 10:19am PT

Not true. I believe what he said because I thought he was being truthful about what he saw.

And my impression after reading two pages about him are that he seems to be mentally that have made up the whole story after he saw loose change. Seriosly, he was passing by, had nothing to do with pentagon but got the important job of finding the evidence such that it could be destroyed


But true to the tee, I have shown that you will ignore those whose statements you do not want to believe, as predicted.
This is exactly the same as you and other people ignore opeds written by for example Tim Ball when the chief posts them. You should at least try to show an eyewitness with at least some credibility if you want to play that card.


k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:04pm PT
This is exactly the same as you and other people ignore opeds written by for example Tim Ball when the chief posts them.

Ah, an excuse for having a preset opinion. Perfect.

After many posts showing the science behind AWG, and after every denier claim debunked, we're not just choosing to ignore OpEds, we have merit for choosing to ignore how a minority of scientists skew data to show that AWG does not exist. And The Chief, what a fine example you choose!

Like I said, there are others who saw something other than a 575 hit the Pentagon. You choose to ignore all of their testimony. Instead, you are happy to believe the tale that perfect strangers tell you. And it just so happens to be the one you want to hear.

Question: Do you know when you started believing that 9/11 was caused by terrorists from Al-Queda? Think back, what stranger planted that seed in your mind?

Cheers,
raymond phule

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:24pm PT

After many posts showing the science behind AWG, and after every denier claim debunked, we're not just choosing to ignore OpEds, we have merit for choosing to ignore how a minority of scientists skew data to show that AWG does not exist. And The Chief, what a fine example you choose!

It seems like you missed my point. My point was that there are good and bad skeptic arguments about AGW and there are good and bad arguments and information about 911 conspiracies. I am just not able to take your witness seriously after reading those two pages and I really cant understand how someone can. It is like one of the chiefs copy and paste post. For you to claim that you have proved that I am closed minded about the truth because I do not believe that witness is like the chief would claim that scientist is closed minded about the truth after one of his copy and paste post.


Like I said, there are others who saw something other than a 575 hit the Pentagon. You choose to ignore all of their testimony.

No, I am just not going to search for them.


Instead, you are happy to believe the tale that perfect strangers tell you. And it just so happens to be the one you want to hear.

and that is exactly what you do.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Well, actually I look at and listen to all the information I can. I try to have an open mind to all witnesses and observers, as well as those that look into the details of what happened.


Many, many people have questions that go unanswered. And not just insignificant questions--questions of real merit. When people with these questions get stonewalled, my curiosity goes up.

For example, I see now that in 2006 they finally released a couple of videos, ones that show nothing. However, the many FOI requests asking for the videos that would show something go unanswered.

Why?

Karl points out that there could be many levels of disinformation circulating, and we don't know who is circulating what.

Here's something that just came into focus for me, the taxi cab at the Pentagon that was hit by one of the light posts knocked over by the "plane that hit the Pentagon".

I never really paid much attention, but if you believe that that this car was struck by a 400+ lb. light pole, after it was dislodged by a jet liner, then I see why you'd buy the 9/11 Commission Report:




Can you believe it, not a scratch in the hood (that's the reflection of the windshield you see in the polished hood). Lloyd even said that he drove a ways with the light pole sticking out of his windshield. Pretty hard to believe, no?



But there you go, if you believe the Official Story, then you must believe this too.


Cheers,
Chief

climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 5, 2012 - 12:49pm PT
A minor but important aside here.
My apologies to The Chief and all here at ST for using a nickname my friends have been using for me for may years as my ST handle after The Chief was here first. It's generated confusion and made The Chief a target for complaints about my views or behaviour and given me credit I might not deserve for The Chief's contributions. It doesn't appear we can change our ST names once they're up or I'd happily just use my real name which by the way, is Perry.
At the risk of overstating the obvious, the original post here was not about 9/11 or the conspiracy theories surrounding the event but rather, our tolerance for and the nature of our reactions to statements we don't agree with, whether we choose to pose questions, offer opinions or pass judgements and ultimately, the way we talk to and about each other.
My original observation was a tongue in cheek effort at humour, and in retrospect, perhaps unnecessarily facetious. I will make all possible effort to be impeccable with my word and fess up when busted for failing.

Peace,

PB
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
And let's just say, there was some huge conspiracy plan and the "other" magical flying thing that hit the Pentagon really was a missle or something, and that the actual entire jet airliner and it's passengers were quietly killed and disposed of elsewhere..... somehow... like... errrrmmm.. magic...

Does it make sense to anyone that "they"(the nefarious gov't evil-doers) would do this on bright and clear sunny work morning where everyone and their mothers would clearly see these objects in the crystal-clear air?

If the jet airplane "missed" the Pentagon, did it turn invisible right as it neared the building? It must have if nobody else saw a jumbo jet flying just above the ground over DC at 300mph+ after skimming the Pentagon... Maybe it really landed in area 51?

Comon guys.. I've got a tinfoil hat too but this stuff just seems so insane. Maybe I need more foil.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:54pm PT

Well, actually I look at and listen to all the information I can. I try to have an open mind to all witnesses and observers, as well as those that look into the details of what happened.

It doesn't look that to me. Have you read what your witness says and do you really believe that it make any sense? Do you really not see that the damage on the building seems to be consistent with an airplane crash?


I never really paid much attention, but if you believe that that this car was struck by a 400+ lb. light pole, after it was dislodged by a jet liner, then I see why you'd buy the 9/11 Commission Report:

What I really do not understand is why they should do such a botch job that includes an ordinary taxi driver when they supposedly rigged lamp posts. I neither know how the damage after a hit by 400+ lb lamp post is supposed to look like.

I actually looked at parts of the movie that Tony posted and the eyewitness reports seems strange but I neither cant understand why they should plan to destroy lamp posts and other things at a different trajectory than they flown the airplane that overflow pentagon. Wouldn't it be much more convincing if the airplane flow over the lamp posts that where destroyed?
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:56pm PT
Cool plan by the conspirators.

Lets pretend a lightpole goes into a windshield, and we'll plant a few witneses.

Why do we need to do that and risk getting caught? Why not just scatter lightpoles across the freeway?

Cuz it's fun to watch the conspiracy boyz look for 'anomolies' in a chaotic event.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 5, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
... the original post here was not about 9/11 or the conspiracy theories surrounding the event but rather, our tolerance for and the nature of our reactions to statements we don't agree with.

...

My original observation was a tongue in cheek effort at humour,

Perry, I'm sorry your thread got abducted! You make us all look fools, we should all be laughing.

Also, sorry your avatar is so closely named to another's, especially when the other avatar is know for posting belligerent and hostile views.

We should take the 9/11 discuss back to one of the several already-exiting threads, and return your thread to its original purpose (edit: or not!)--our inability to tolerate others with opposing views.

Cheers,
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Vancouver Canada
Dec 6, 2012 - 10:59am PT
Conspiracy bump for Anders ! ! !

*chuckle,*...
socialclimber

Trad climber
CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 08:34am PT
http://www.theonion.com/articles/ho-ho-ho-911-was-an-inside-job,30705/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default

Charles
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Sep 10, 2013 - 11:29pm PT
Jus thinking about all those who had their lives so needlessly taken away by mans ego.
RIP
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:30am PT
Jus thinking about all those who had their lives so needlessly taken away by mans ego.
RIP


Yes... we all lost that day.

RIP
patrick compton

Trad climber
van
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:37am PT
Except for Bush, his ego got waaaay bigger.

and then turned around and started a war based on BS... and more lives were lost, them and us.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Sep 11, 2013 - 07:41am PT
RIP so many people. Crappy way to go for a lot of em.
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