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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 10:29am PT
Sorry I linked the wrong image kman. I guess the issue is if that plane is drawn to scale and how much damage the light wingtips made. Wingspan is 125 feet. Count the windows in your image to compare distances



Personally, I think all this demolition and 757 didn't hit the pentagon evidence, true or not is a huge distraction from the real damning questions that come from following the money, able danger, the war games, Norman M's testimony, the identity of the hijackers and how they got their visas and that aspect of it

Peace

Karl
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 4, 2012 - 10:47am PT
The problem with that photo, Karl, is that you can't see anything.

If the graphic that shows the drawn-in 757 is correct, then Houston, we have a problem.

But I agree--we can battle back and forth over the physical evidence. We can also ignore testimony from eye witnesses. We can also ignore the reports that 6-8 of the terrorist "fliers" were still alive after the events.

We can also ignore building don't just collapse they way the three Trade Center towers did, or that the damage at the Pentagon is inconsistent with other airliner plane crashes.

Oh, there is just so much to ignore.

The real key is to follow the money, and to look at the reactions from the events.

W stonewalling any investigation, and a refusal to follow the money. The list of reactions, too, is so very long.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:12am PT

If the graphic that shows the drawn-in 757 is correct, then Houston, we have a problem.

Why? The damage on the building seems to correspond well to the shape of the airplane. A lot of damage where the fuselage and engines hit and only a little damage where the wing tips hit the walls.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:21am PT

We can also ignore testimony from eye witnesses.

I guess that you mean the eyewitnesses that saw an airplane flying into pentagon?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:35am PT
"...only a little damage where the wing tips hit the walls. "


You mean 'zero' damage where the wing tips should have hit the walls. Look again, there is no sign of any impact where the wing tips should have hit.

As for eye witnesses, there were many who saw different things. But the ones who claim seeing other than an 575 are ignored. Also ignored are those from the other two sites (WTC & Flight 93 crash site).

Cheers, out.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:53am PT

But the ones who claim seeing other than an 575 are ignored.

Obviously ignored by everyone because I do not think that there are information about any .


You mean 'zero' damage where the wing tips should have hit the walls. Look again, there is no sign of any impact where the wing tips should have hit.

I don't know what you see but I see damage.

Do you also think that the collapse of wtc 1 and wtc 2 looks exactly like controlled demolition?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:05pm PT
You may argue that the wing tips were just flimsy aluminum shells but those big ol wads of titanium known as jet engines, where are they and where is there damage?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
^^^ Well that blew my mind ^^^
Wow that blew my mind!
Wow that blew my mind!
Credit: philo
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Dec 4, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
By continual reinforcements of all the false notions we've been fed by the governments and the controlled medias, you will trust everything they feed you.

Thus proponents of the "Official Versions" are nothing but stupid sheep led into the slaughterhouses of their own makings.

Just as the stupid fools who maintain and support the barbaric mechanistic animal slaughterhouses and continually eat the remnants of such madness they themselves will be subjected by providence itself to the same slaughter of their intelligence .....

Classic Werner
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:18pm PT

You may argue that the wing tips were just flimsy aluminum shells but those big ol wads of titanium known as jet engines, where are they and where is there damage?

Sorry but I don't know what to say. There are big holes and a lot of damage where the jet engines would have hit the building in the picture I look at.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:21pm PT
But where are the tons of titanium?
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:24pm PT

I have found that people in the 'minority within the minority' have really not taken the time they should to consider everything.

Agree, they should watch the "box video" if they are not already convinced. All needed to understand that the towers couldn't fell like that is a simple application of conservation of momentum.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:26pm PT

But where are the tons of titanium?
Inside the building? Maybe under the foam? In the pile of debris?
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:30pm PT
Inside the building? Maybe under the foam? In the pile of debris?

Nope, never found. Check out the melting temperature of titanium as compared ton the burn temps jet fuel.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:50pm PT
Flight 77 engines at the pentagon were found.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Sorry but i have to laugh uproariously. If you think that teeny part came off a 757 jet engine then you are seriously fooled.
raymond phule

climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:56pm PT

Nope, never found. Check out the melting temperature of titanium as compared ton the burn temps jet fuel.

I discussed a picture and you made an obviously incorrect claim about that picture and instead of acknowledging that you start talking about something else.

This is so typical about these discussions. There are a million different conspiracy claims that very often contradicts each other. When one of their claims is disproved they just continue to the next claims and ignoring the first claim. After a while they get back to the old claims again and the circle continues.

What about trying to come up with a single coherent theory that is in agreement with the evidence? There are for example several witnesses that saw a low flying plane heading towards pentagon. There are no witnesses (that I know about) that saw a missile heading towards pentagon.
monolith

climber
albany,ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:59pm PT
Read the link Philo. Most of the diameter of an engine is the fins and the cowling. The parts shown are the core of the engine, without fins.

Funny how the universally agreed parts of an engine confuse the conspiracy boyz.



You guys thinking that the conspirators would plant parts of a tiny engine to fool the investigators is beyond me.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:10pm PT
And yet curiously the inner core of a 757 engine dwarfs that part you presented as fact. Do you know what engine it matches perfectly? Not a twin engine 757.
Jolly Roger

Trad climber
here and there
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
Mono,

Is hell bent on believing he is right, and will never move one bit towards seeing how F-d up this whole thing is.

And yes follow the money.


Much more likely to be a Mussad operation than anything, and all we had to do is play the part. We being our gov't.

That photo of the plane Granite posted, flying past the gate sure doesn't look like a passenger airline to me.

Looks a lot like an F-4 Phantom though.

the funny thing about all this is the believers of the gov't story just fall in line, but never question why other footage was not provided. And why footage from local stores was confiscated.

So, easy to prove, yet nothing is provided. Yet...............they continue to fall in line.
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