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k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 03:45pm PT
Say, Munge called it quick. He said the OP of the 9-11 thread was a bot.

How'd he determine that??

And yes, it seems the entire thread was removed--no trace of any posts to it, which is unusual.


Say, CMac climbs, and wouldn't climbers be needed to rig those towers?? Now it's coming to light ;-0
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 04:26pm PT
According to the conspiracy
Bush and Cheney had to have someone rig the towers with explosives, right?

so there must be alot of people that did the rigging, why haven't any of them come forward?

They did test the dust for traces of explosives, and found nothing conclusive.

What if one of the jets missed the tower, or just grazed it, was Bush going to take it down anyway?

Why would Bush want to take the Towers down in the first place, isn't the terrorist attack enough for him to do his political damage?

What if Bush was caught, he would be more demonised than Hitler.

It makes no sense
there was no reason to rig the towers with explosives, for any possible reason


Occam Razor's would vindicate me, that it wasn't explosives, just the jet liners.

And bother giving me sh#t or calling me names, I'm just going to argue from the skeptics point of view, which has science backing it.

Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
Anybody with a construction background knows that of wood, steel, and concrete buildings... steel burns the hottest. I did find "loose change" very entertaining, though. Alot of conspiracy theories are entertaining. :)
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:03pm PT
Doc, hopefully you don't believe I'm calling you names...

Actually, my conspiracy theory goes beyond Bush & Cheney, who only hold power for 4 or 8 years. The ones who do this type of stuff don't loose power at the whim of some silly general election. But that's another story.

What I'm asking for is a test of the debris, that's all. Unofficially, the debris has been shown to have evidence of explosives.

For WTC7, office fires (the official cause of the collapse) does not do it. The computer models that 'proved' that small fires could have brought down the building had to be tweaked many times before they got the result required. And still, the models are sealed so no body can refute there findings.

And Dr. F., there are many, many other extreme coincidences that occurred that day, the chances of which point to an extremely improbable result of three towers falling, and the Pentagon damage.

We've gone over this a bunch, no need to go circular here. The video on the first page of this thread, as well as the statements made by the authors of the 9-11 Commission Report should be enough to make you wonder--why the cover up??

Cheers,
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
Rudder, steel doesn't burn. Not without an agent to make it do so.

With your abundant construction knowledge, what made the steel in the WTC buildings "burn?"
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
They did test the dust for traces of explosives, and found nothing conclusive.

Who did?? Show evidence. Why are thousands of architects calling for a new investigation??


http://ae911truth.org/

I'm not saying anything is conclusive, but it's worth discussing. Much more important IMHO than any of the political topics you guys discuss all the time. It's pretty close minded to just shut down an argument without even talking about it.....
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:10pm PT
If just the jet liners alone can take the Twin Towers down, as has been proved over and over by scientists and engineers, then why do we have to believe there was a cover up over a controlled demolition.
That's my question

Just google "skeptic 911 controlled demolition", and all kinds of articles are available proving the conspiracy dead wrong

read this one

Is there any scientific validity to the claims of 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracists about the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings?
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/


Steel does not burn, it softens and losses strength, which is all that is needed to bring the buildings down
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
Thermite makes steel burn real good apparently... Makes these neat little micro spheres too which are evident in all the World Trade Center dust samples....
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:11pm PT
No, they [NIST, FEMA] did not test for explosives.

I just can't cite this enough:

The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.

Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.

My question is why folks are determined to believe the 9/11 Commission Report when the authors themselves claim it was pure bunk.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:15pm PT
NO One in the commission was talking about controlled demolition, they were talking about Bush's cover up on the details of what he knew, and when, and why nothing was done to stop it.


Please show me where the commission was asking about controlled demolition and were stymied.
It wasn't even considered by them.
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:23pm PT
In addition to the evidence that there was explosives in the building that were pre-planted, there is also a bit of evidence that jet airplanes hit the buildings at high speed and their fuel ignited.

I am more inclined to think that people involved made mistakes and were greedy or stupid than I am to think that they were amazingly clever. So clever that they pulled off the most amazing logistical planning since the fake moon landings but were too stupid to know that explosives residue and molten steel would be found?

The nuts are giving way too much credit, and way too little at the same time, to the people who would have planned the whole thing (who are not the terrorists).

But this stuff is pretty funny to read so keep it up.

Dave
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
When the second plane hit, you can see material eject out the other side of the building.
That means it practically took out the Whole level, and only a little more heat was all it took for the floor above to collapse, which triggered a chain reaction to take out the floors below.

The explosions people heard were compression of gas in the floors below as it went down.

Building 7 was fatally damaged by the other towers falling, and came down on it's own.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:39pm PT
This [ http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-09-07/ ] is a great link. I'll take the time to go through it.

Now, when are we gonna get Werner to fly that plane into the Pentagon to see what would actually happen in such a case??
Big Mike

Trad climber
BC
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
+1000 Mchale's. I was just going to say, this guy has almost 1800 engineer/architects duped so far! He must be pretty darn convincing!! That article you posted cites the official report lots so its pretty obvious where the bias is on that one... Why didn't they do a real investigation instead of hauling all the evidence away before anyone got the chance??
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:04pm PT
^^^
are you a explosive demolition expert?


we need Werner to chime in
He has also proved that the moon landing was faked
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Dude, I don't think you are much of a Dr of anything. Want to fess up?
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:05pm PT
Politically, it's all over the map
Me, being a flaming liberal, should be talking conspiracy

McHale
I'm having a discussion, is that too hard for you to deal with.
are you an expert on building demolitions or not
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
Panorama City, California & living in Seattle
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
You mean you just wanna have fun? One does not have to be a demolition expert to understand the forces that would have kept the toppling bldg section intact longer than it was.
Rudder

Trad climber
Costa Mesa, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
Rudder, steel doesn't burn. Not without an agent to make it do so.

That's not what I said.

With your abundant construction knowledge, what made the steel in the WTC buildings "burn?"

Even if melted metal at the WTC didn't have an explanation... assuming the President had the buildings blown up because you've seen videos of melted metal would be as logical as assuming I have abundant construction knowledge. It's just entertaining and extraordinarily whimsical conjecture.

As for the President imploding the buildings as a logical conclusion based on some melted metal videos... have you ever been to or setup a building implosion? There's no melted metal there. Of course, all the utilties are turned off, all the combustibles are removed from the building, and there is no jet fuel.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:35pm PT
FWIW there is a large organization of engineers and Architects that dispute the official story on 9-11 based on their scientific analysis

http://ae911truth.org/

over 1700 engineers and Architects (plus bunches of other supporters) are calling for a new investigation of 9-11. Their petition includes their license numbers or degrees



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