Anybody with a construction background knows that of wood, steel, and concrete buildings... steel burns the hottest. I did find "loose change" very entertaining, though. Alot of conspiracy theories are entertaining. :)
Doc, hopefully you don't believe I'm calling you names...
Actually, my conspiracy theory goes beyond Bush & Cheney, who only hold power for 4 or 8 years. The ones who do this type of stuff don't loose power at the whim of some silly general election. But that's another story.
What I'm asking for is a test of the debris, that's all. Unofficially, the debris has been shown to have evidence of explosives.
For WTC7, office fires (the official cause of the collapse) does not do it. The computer models that 'proved' that small fires could have brought down the building had to be tweaked many times before they got the result required. And still, the models are sealed so no body can refute there findings.
And Dr. F., there are many, many other extreme coincidences that occurred that day, the chances of which point to an extremely improbable result of three towers falling, and the Pentagon damage.
We've gone over this a bunch, no need to go circular here. The video on the first page of this thread, as well as the statements made by the authors of the 9-11 Commission Report should be enough to make you wonder--why the cover up??
I'm not saying anything is conclusive, but it's worth discussing. Much more important IMHO than any of the political topics you guys discuss all the time. It's pretty close minded to just shut down an argument without even talking about it.....
If just the jet liners alone can take the Twin Towers down, as has been proved over and over by scientists and engineers, then why do we have to believe there was a cover up over a controlled demolition.
That's my question
Just google "skeptic 911 controlled demolition", and all kinds of articles are available proving the conspiracy dead wrong
read this one
Is there any scientific validity to the claims of 9/11 controlled demolition conspiracists about the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings?
Thermite makes steel burn real good apparently... Makes these neat little micro spheres too which are evident in all the World Trade Center dust samples....
No, they [NIST, FEMA] did not test for explosives.
I just can't cite this enough:
The chair and vice chair of the 9/11 Commission, respectively Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, assert in their book, Without Precedent, that they were "set up to fail" and were starved of funds to do a proper investigation. They also confirm that they were denied access to the truth and misled by senior officials in the Pentagon and the federal aviation authority; and that this obstruction and deception led them to contemplate slapping officials with criminal charges.
Despite the many public statements by 9/11 commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded, for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
My question is why folks are determined to believe the 9/11 Commission Report when the authors themselves claim it was pure bunk.
NO One in the commission was talking about controlled demolition, they were talking about Bush's cover up on the details of what he knew, and when, and why nothing was done to stop it.
Please show me where the commission was asking about controlled demolition and were stymied.
It wasn't even considered by them.
In addition to the evidence that there was explosives in the building that were pre-planted, there is also a bit of evidence that jet airplanes hit the buildings at high speed and their fuel ignited.
I am more inclined to think that people involved made mistakes and were greedy or stupid than I am to think that they were amazingly clever. So clever that they pulled off the most amazing logistical planning since the fake moon landings but were too stupid to know that explosives residue and molten steel would be found?
The nuts are giving way too much credit, and way too little at the same time, to the people who would have planned the whole thing (who are not the terrorists).
But this stuff is pretty funny to read so keep it up.
When the second plane hit, you can see material eject out the other side of the building.
That means it practically took out the Whole level, and only a little more heat was all it took for the floor above to collapse, which triggered a chain reaction to take out the floors below.
The explosions people heard were compression of gas in the floors below as it went down.
Building 7 was fatally damaged by the other towers falling, and came down on it's own.
+1000 Mchale's. I was just going to say, this guy has almost 1800 engineer/architects duped so far! He must be pretty darn convincing!! That article you posted cites the official report lots so its pretty obvious where the bias is on that one... Why didn't they do a real investigation instead of hauling all the evidence away before anyone got the chance??
You mean you just wanna have fun? One does not have to be a demolition expert to understand the forces that would have kept the toppling bldg section intact longer than it was.
Rudder, steel doesn't burn. Not without an agent to make it do so.
That's not what I said.
With your abundant construction knowledge, what made the steel in the WTC buildings "burn?"
Even if melted metal at the WTC didn't have an explanation... assuming the President had the buildings blown up because you've seen videos of melted metal would be as logical as assuming I have abundant construction knowledge. It's just entertaining and extraordinarily whimsical conjecture.
As for the President imploding the buildings as a logical conclusion based on some melted metal videos... have you ever been to or setup a building implosion? There's no melted metal there. Of course, all the utilties are turned off, all the combustibles are removed from the building, and there is no jet fuel.
over 1700 engineers and Architects (plus bunches of other supporters) are calling for a new investigation of 9-11. Their petition includes their license numbers or degrees
Let us know!