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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 29, 2012 - 02:43am PT
Anyone see the documentary on Ginger Baker?... ok, not just Cream but also Blind Faith, Baker Gurvitz Army, Ginger Baker's Air Force, Hawkwind, Public Image Ltd., Atomic Rooster, Masters of Reality, Ginger Baker Trio, BBM, Fela Kuti... &c.

The title: Beware of Mr. Baker, the topic of two NYTimes articles in the past week:
http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/movies/beware-of-mr-baker-traces-the-rock-drummer-ginger-baker.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/movies/a-documentary-looks-at-the-drummer-ginger-baker.html

Actually, this is a job for Roger Breedlove, who is quite a fan of Cream... hopefully he can post up a review here...

Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:52am PT
Hi Ed!

Could you perhaps recommend something from Cream? I have listened to quite a few of their "hits", have went out and bought the Weels of Fire LP (yeah, I'm one of those vinyl guys), but somehow feel that White Room stands out a lot, the rest being a bit... lacking something?

Any recommendations are welcome.

Lasti
QITNL

climber
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:10am PT
Leading with Cream and going straight to Ginger Baker? The weakest link. When working with various drummers, we'd shout "Yo Ginger Baker!" in the talkback as an insult.

"Yo Ginger Baker!" as a climber's call would mean get on the beat, stop futzing around, take up the slack.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:13am PT
I can relate to that. Could you say that Ginger Baker is to Mitch Mitchell what Eric Clapton is to Jimi Hendrix?
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:19am PT

I didn't, but I loved Badge!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:51am PT
That's BADGE

(the chords of the song; B A D G E)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:27am PT
Ginger baker played with Public Image lmtd? Ginger & Johhny psyche!

Lasti,
The politician
White Room
I'm so glad
Crossroads
And of course, Pressed Rat & warthog

For starters...
Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:09am PT
Aye aye Jaybro, will do.

An specific recommendations to hum (or shriek) to myself during OW climbing?

Lasti
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Maybe Roger has some recommendations...

I Feel Free a good one to hum while pressing the flesh in the wide

Find a copy of Disraeli Gears (I think I have two vinyl copies around here)

Strange Brew
Sunshine of Your Love
Tales of Brave Ulysses
Take It Back another hummer

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:34am PT
Lasti, if you can keep your heart pumping to the beat of a Ginger Baker Drum solo, you can climb anything!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:54am PT
Do What You Like, the kick drum drum-roll, quite amaZing.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 12:00pm PT
it seems that there is the (predictable) disagreement about good drumming and the composition of a good performance...

the punk rebellion against long song performances, and extended instrumental solo improvisations would be fully realized if one pursued the activity:

rank the best drummers

but in a really odd twist, bands like Cream took the practice from early performances in jazz and the like... a more classical approach to performance when they thought they were being progressive... and punk, well, maybe atavistic to even early performance practice of fitting the song onto a single side of a 78 rpm sized platter...
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Nov 29, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
White Room was the name Roger and I chose for the scariest climb I ever did.
"The route name refers to the climactic inside corner, with overtones of madness and electric guitar."

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
Good hummer Spoonful from Fresh Cream. The riff anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-lRmVOGw3M


or live jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2tJkkYpmg





nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
There are a few bands/musicians that stay at the top of my favorite list, and Cream is always on it.

Crossroads (from the live part of Wheels of Fire) is like an encyclopedia of electric blues licks. Sunshine of Your Love, White Room, Tales of Brave Ulysses, Spoonful.... And then you have the more plaintive/haunting side with stuff on Disraeli Gears like World of Pain, Dance the Night Away.

I really like their open-ended jamming approach to songs, merging the jazz notion of a song head and rounds of improvisation, with straight up rock. Cool that 3 people can make so much sound!


For interesting comparison, Eric Clapton's "24 Nights" (live album produced during concerts at Royal Albert Hall ~ 1990 or so) are excellent updates of many of the Cream classics. The originals have their special irreplaceable sound, but the 24 Nights versions come pretty close to being my favorites too.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:21pm PT

Um, gulp, Larry! (I ran into Roger a week or so ago on
the West Ridge). . .
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 29, 2012 - 10:33pm PT
"rank the best drummers"
I won't rank them but in the rock genre a few of my favs are:
Keith Moon- The Who
John Bonham- Led Zep
Neil Peart- Rush

Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 30, 2012 - 08:35am PT
Jaybro wrote:

Lasti, if you can keep your heart pumping to the beat of a Ginger Baker Drum solo, you can climb anything!

And here I was thinking that it only counts if your heart skips a beat. Or stops altogether.

That, and throwing up at the end of the route.

Good recommendations y'all, seems like another trip to the record store is in order.

Lasti
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 08:41am PT
"Ging-ah Bake-ah! ging-ah Bake-ah, please!"
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Nov 30, 2012 - 10:31am PT
Why is Ginger Baker like 711 coffee?
They both suck without cream!

Actually Ginger is a good drummer and did some interesting stuff with Bill Laswell in the 90's. Plus check out his trio album with Bill Frisell and Charlie Haden, really good stuff
QITNL

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 07:26pm PT
Yo Ed, just came across your trailer. Beware of Mr. Baker. Pretty funny.

AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:00pm PT
Cool, got to see that film.
It was Bill Laswell who put Ginger and Jonny Rotten together. Johnny and Bill were doing an album and were trying to figure out which drummer to get. JR snarled "Ginger Baker" as a joke. Laswell said "That's the first good idea you had" So Bill talked Ginger out of retirement. Bill and Ginger did quite a bit of work together. These may have been the best albums of his post Cream career.
MisterE

Social climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:17pm PT
The original power trio.
QITNL

climber
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:30pm PT
Totally eclipsed by Hendrix within a matter of months.


In a particularly over confident gesture Hendrix asked if he could jam with Cream at their gig at Central London Polytechnic. Hendrix took the stage and tore through a version of 'Killing Floor' in double time. Cream soon regretted allowing him to join them. Hendrix's outrageous stage antics and dazzling guitar playing caused Clapton to leave the stage in a state of shock. He asked Chas Chandler afterwards "Is he always that f***ing good?"
scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Dec 7, 2012 - 08:33pm PT
Cream had a significant jump in popularity after the release of Disraeli
Gears, when Sunshine of Your Love became a hit single.
On their first U.S. tour, they were still known mainly to the FM/hippy
crowd, while the vast majority of youthful listeners were in the AM/top 40
mode.
I saw them at the Fillmore Auditorium in August 67. The bill was
Electric Flag
Cream
Gary Burton Quartet

The crowd was so skimpy and mellow that I could walk up to the stage and
watch Clapton from within touching distance. Aside from the intangibles of
his musical performance, one thing that really struck me was the way he
made it look like he really wasn't doing anything. Like anybody could do it.

The ballroom scene in those days, opposed to the arena scene (which Cream
hit after their 2nd U.S. tour) was 3-night or 4-night stands.
Cream played two weeks at the Fillmore their first time through. My cousin,
a guitarist, saw them 5 of the 6 nights they played.
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Dec 7, 2012 - 11:24pm PT
Check out "Cream: Classic Artists" on Netflix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzawh055WM
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 7, 2012 - 11:27pm PT


Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 7, 2012 - 11:56pm PT
Ginger Baker was in Hawkwind?
pocoloco1

Social climber
The Chihuahua Desert
Dec 9, 2012 - 09:08pm PT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtWzR5RkB3U
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Dec 9, 2012 - 11:40pm PT
A mother's lament.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX06inW2hK4
At least he likes Cream better than Zepp...His father, though. What did I ever...?
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 10, 2012 - 12:41am PT
Blind Faith


Baker Gurvitz Army


Ginger Baker's Air Force


Public Image Ltd.


Masters of Reality


Ginger Baker Trio


BBM



films Fela Kuti

Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
May 25, 2013 - 10:25pm PT
I read the NYTimes article that Ed opens with and would like to see the movie.

Ed asked my opinion on Cream songs. The hits are really very good, even today, but the rest are strung out in quality from okay to poor. I have tried to put my finger on why Cream was so good and why it sounded, and still sounds, so unique. Part of it is that Baker, Bruce, and Clapton could play at such a high standard that the music could transcend difficulty. However, nowadays there are many drummers, bass players and guitarist who can play at the same level, so this does not really get at why they sounded the way they did.

Earlier this year, I heard a three piece band play at Severance Hall after a classical concert featuring Bela Fleck playing his banjo concerto. As an encore Fleck played a long improvisation with snippets of famous banjo tunes, all in a more-or-less classical style. The orchestra members seemed to be as mesmerized as the audience. Friday nights at the Orchestra are followed by a band playing in the rotunda with bar service (an effort to draw younger listeners). On this night the group was a pickup band from New Orleans. I don’t think they had spent much time practicing together—there were a lot of solos. The audience were all folks who had just attended the orchestra but we were all pretty much blown away by how well the bass player (six string unfretted electric bass) and the drummer played. Fleck jammed with them for about ½ hour, with his wife singing a few ancient Southern folksongs. The drummer reminded me of Baker, and I overheard several middle-aged guys make the same comment.

After that performance, I listened to some old Cream tunes online and read a bit about them. One funny item I read occurred in one of their extended improvisations. Clapton was not a big fan of those longwinded affairs; he thought that Baker and Bruce were just showing off. So one night he just stopped playing—neither of them noticed.

I also think I know part of why Cream’s music is so unique. The hit tunes were written by Baker and Bruce. Musically, the best Cream tunes are very much structured by the drums and the bass—just listen to the first few bars of the hit tunes. In an analogous way the Rolling Stones tunes are structured by Keith Richards’ style of guitar. I don’t think it is surprising that neither Baker nor Bruce ever did anything after Cream that was as interesting.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 26, 2013 - 04:09am PT
I have the mp3s for the 4-CD set Those Were The Days on my iPod (I apparently have the UK release version)



anybody see it? I apparently missed it at the Roxie in SF...
only playing at the Green Mountain Film Festival in VT, but that was March and April...


Tobia

Social climber
Denial
May 26, 2013 - 05:39am PT
Cream. Some of the music is experimental and does not stand up to the test of time. A composite of two jazz oriented musicians (who had been in numerous groups together; but couldn't get along) and a guitar virtuoso.

Ginger Baker, who set a high bar for rock drummers early on with the jazz oriented double bass drum kit, combined with the classically trained bassist and cellist, Jack Bruce (but favored jazz), formed a rhythm section that when combined with Clapton's agility on the guitar created a sound centered on psychedelia and power blues.

Jack Bruce's bass lines and vocals have always impressed me; but the interplay between Baker and Bruce is masterful. Clapton's guitar speaks for itself. He developed his vocal confidence with this band.

Disraeli Gears is my favorite album; it is the only one recorded in the U.S.. The influence of Felix Pappalardi and Tom Dowd's can't be overlooked for the success of that recording.

Not sure if it is mentioned above; but Ginger Baker was the original drummer for the Rolling Stones, giving his seat up to play jazz.

PocoL, put up a link to the 2005 reunion at Royal Albert Hall; which is a good look into the trio's prowess.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
May 26, 2013 - 05:47am PT
Sunshine of Your Love was not working in the studio,

Tom Dowd had them turn the beat around so that it sounds like a Hamms beer commercial and the tune went down on tape after that.

Felix got all shot up by his ol lady for being a tramp,
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
May 26, 2013 - 10:38am PT
Anyone seen Beware Mr Baker?
As the Brits say he is a "ard cu*t"
o-man

Social climber
Paia,Maui,HI
May 26, 2013 - 03:19pm PT
In the early 90's Ginger retired to his horse ranch in eastern Colorado to raise polo ponies and to play polo.
Every Sunday afternoon/evening in the summer time he would have a flat bed trailer pulled in to the town square(for a stage) in the very small town of Elizabeth,Colorado. He and his trio would play for free well into the evening after the polo match. It was very low key and hardly advertised.
I attended several of his gatherings and always had a delightful time.
From what I understand he had some issues with immigration,IRS,or something of that nature and needed to move away from the area.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 12, 2013 - 08:54am PT
"Please, may I have some Cream with me Ging-ah Bake-ah?"

http://bakeinblack.co.uk/ginger-baker-creams/

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/ginger-baker-verbally-abuses-reporter/

Is pressed rat really a better entree than, say, dead dog lying in the middle of the road, yellow matter custard, or honey pie?

And who besides Paul is a wallruss?

Ringo's mother should know.

Go straight round that corner and climb that wide crack.

Climb the doglegs with yer four feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWxAahRJgYE

Don't try to make me nervous.
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Nov 12, 2013 - 10:05am PT
Saw Beware Mr Baker recently. A very interesting film. After the film was made he went back to playing jazz in the US again. There is some footage from a New York club on Youtube.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:13pm PT
just viewed "Beware of Mr. Baker" on Yahoo! View last weekend...

what was impressive was the accolades from other musicians about his musical abilities, and the equally impressive repulsion of his personal life, he seemed to have a been a heroin addict for quite a long time... though he was lucky enough to survive it.

I also found Fela Kuti, Ginger Baker recordings on Bandcamp which I bought and am listening too...



with so much tragedy heaped on those two, the music is magical.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:18pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:27pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:32pm PT
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:35pm PT
as Roger says, in 1968 there was nothing like Cream and there never had been

they were probably among the best musicians of that time if not the best...
...but that was nearly 50 years ago, and music has not stood still.

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Aug 24, 2016 - 11:41pm PT
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 25, 2016 - 05:26am PT
It is magical. Twenty-first century, African, Bitches Brew...
ron gomez

Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
Aug 25, 2016 - 07:10am PT
The Baker doc is on Netflix, good movie...certainly gives a good look into this independant free thinker.
Peace
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 25, 2016 - 07:26am PT
Will check it out, thx
another nickname

Social climber
Yazoo Ms
Aug 26, 2016 - 06:15am PT
The film (Netflix) makes a very plausible musical case that Baker was most responsible for success of Cream. I have moderate enthusiasm for the band -- zero for Eric Clapton as such.

I've certainly heard many hours of Clapton's work -- in the supermarket & etc. -- but can bring none to mind.
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 26, 2016 - 08:11am PT
Derek and the Dominos. Related, but not Cream
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Aug 26, 2016 - 08:25am PT
👍
Synchronicity

Trad climber
British Columbia, Canada
Aug 26, 2016 - 09:45am PT
Arguing about the weakest link in Cream? You guys are spoiled! IMO they are all great musicians and all made great music both in and out of Cream.



Besides, everyone knows it's Clapton....



One of my favorite Cream tunes (cover)



Great tune by Baker Gurvitz, great drum and guitar solos



Great tune by Blind Faith



Jack Bruce is a great vocalist as well with a unique style, here he plays a fantastic tune off the Seven Moons album with guitar god Robin Trower from Procol Harum





another nickname

Social climber
Yazoo Ms
Aug 26, 2016 - 10:23am PT
Noel Coward.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 26, 2016 - 02:40pm PT
Fresh Cream

Second power trio



I'm

So

Glad

Misplaced my 1967 orignal Fillmore (or was it the Grande Ballroom, Detroit) version somewhere. Man-O-Man they played loud - pretty hard to study the next day.








Roger Breedlove

climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
Aug 26, 2016 - 03:10pm PT
So it is only fitting that after a good thread about Cream, we should be talking about Layla. I believe that Layla is among only a few rock songs which stand as excellent on all counts. Clapton wrote the song, but in Rock the details of how it was recorded and engineered tells a more complete story. Most of us hear Duane Allman's guitar solos and Jim Gordon's playing piano when we hear Layla.

From Wikipedia:

After the breakup of Cream, Clapton tried his hand with several groups, including Blind Faith and the husband-and-wife duo Delaney and Bonnie. In the spring of 1970, he was told that some members of Delaney and Bonnie's backup band, notably bassist Carl Radle, drummer Jim Gordon, and keyboardist Bobby Whitlock, were leaving the group. Seizing the opportunity, Clapton formed a new group, which became Derek and the Dominos.

During the recording of the album, Duane Allman joined Clapton's fledgling band as a guest. Clapton and Allman, already mutual fans, were introduced at an Allman Brothers concert by Tom Dowd. The two hit it off well and soon became good friends. Dowd said of their guitar-playing chemistry: "There had to be some sort of telepathy going on because I've never seen spontaneous inspiration happen at that rate and level. One of them would play something, and the other reacted instantaneously. Never once did either of them have to say, 'Could you play that again, please?' It was like two hands in a glove. And they got tremendously off on playing with each other."

Dowd was already famous for a variety of work and had worked with Clapton in his Cream days (Clapton once called him "the ideal recording man"); his work on the album would be another achievement. For the making of his biographical film Tom Dowd and the Language of Music, he remixed the original master tapes of "Layla," saying, "There are my principles, in one form or another."

Clapton originally wrote "Layla" as a ballad, with lyrics describing his unrequited love for Lynda Boyd, but the song became a "rocker" when Allman reportedly composed the song's signature riff. With the band assembled and Dowd producing, "Layla" was recorded in its now-familiar rock form. The recording of the first section consisted of sixteen tracks of which six guitar tracks: a rhythm track by Clapton, three tracks of harmonies played by Clapton (the main power chord riff on both channels and two harmonies against that main riff, one on the left channel and one on the right channel), a track of solos by Allman (fretted solos with bent notes during the verses and a slide solo during the outro), and one track with both Allman and Clapton playing duplicate solos (the 7-note "signature" riff doubled in two octaves and the 12-note "signature" riff doubled in unison). The 7-note "signature" riff was very similar to the vocal melody of the lyric "There is nothing I can do" from "As the Years Go Passing By", as recorded by Albert King from 1967's album Born Under a Bad Sign and the last five notes of the 12-note "signature" riff were written by Allman. According to Clapton, Allman played the first seven notes of the 12-note "signature" riff fretted and the last five notes on slide in standard tuning. Each player used one input of the same two-input Fender Champ amplifier.

Shortly afterward, Clapton returned to the studio, where he heard Jim Gordon playing a piano piece he had composed separately. Clapton, impressed by the piece, convinced Gordon to allow it to be used as part of the song. Though only Gordon has been officially credited with this part, Whitlock claimed, "Jim took that piano melody from his ex-girlfriend Rita Coolidge. I know because in the D&B days I lived in John Garfield's old house in the Hollywood Hills and there was a guest house with an upright piano in it. Rita and Jim were up there in the guest house and invited me to join in on writing this song with them called 'Time.' ... Her sister Priscilla wound up recording it with Booker T. Jones. ... Jim took the melody from Rita's song and didn't give her credit for writing it. Her boyfriend ripped her off." "Time" ended up on the album Chronicles by Booker T. and Priscilla Jones which was released in 1973.

"Layla's" second movement was recorded roughly a week after the first, with Gordon playing his piano part, Clapton playing acoustic guitar and slide guitar, and Allman playing electric and bottleneck slide guitar.[16][19] After Dowd spliced the two movements together, "Layla" was complete.

Due to the circumstances of its composition, "Layla" is defined by two movements, each marked by a riff. The first movement, which was recorded in the key of D minor for choruses and C-sharp minor for verses, is centred around the "signature riff", a guitar piece utilising hammer-ons, pull-offs, and power chords. The first section contains the overdub-heavy slide guitar solo, played by Allman. By placing his slide at points beyond the end of the fretboard, Allman was able to play notes at a higher pitch than could be played with standard technique. Dowd referred to this as "notes that aren't on the instrument!"

The second movement, Jim Gordon's contribution, is commonly referred to as the "piano coda." Originally played in C major, the tape speed of the coda was increased slightly during mixing. The resulting pitch is somewhere between C and C sharp. The piano interlude at the end of the song is augmented by an acoustic guitar, and is also the accompaniment to the outro-solo. The same melody is played on Allman's slide guitar, albeit one octave higher. Gordon does not improvise or deviate from the piano part; Clapton and Allman are the ones who improvise the melody. The song ends with Allman playing his signature high-pitched "bird call" on his slide guitar.

As Clapton commented on his signature song:'Layla' is a difficult one, because it's a difficult song to perform live. You have to have a good complement of musicians to get all of the ingredients going, but when you've got that. ... It's difficult to do as a quartet, for instance, because there are some parts you have to play and sing completely opposing lines, which is almost impossible to do. If you've got a big band, which I will have on the tour, then it will be easy to do something like 'Layla'—and I'm very proud of it. I love to hear it. It's almost like it's not me. It's like I'm listening to someone that I really like. Derek and The Dominos was a band I really liked—and it's almost like I wasn't in that band. It's just a band that I'm a fan of. Sometimes, my own music can be like that. When it's served its purpose to being good music, I don't associate myself with it any more. It's like someone else. It's easy to do those songs then.

Or, as his inspiration, Pattie Boyd, once said, "I think that he was amazingly raw at the time... He's such an incredible musician that he's able to put his emotions into music in such a way that the audience can feel it instinctively. It goes right through you."

Personnel
Eric Clapton – lead vocals, lead guitar, rhythm guitar, acoustic guitar
Duane Allman – lead guitar, slide guitar
Bobby Whitlock – Hammond organ, piano, background vocals
Carl Radle – bass
Jim Gordon – drums, percussion, piano
Tom Dowd – producer

I have challenged young classical musicians to replicate the sound palete of the guitar solo parts on their instruments. Clapton found his way out of his drug addications during this time. Layla's classical structure is Clapton's take away from Jack Bruce's classical training. Classic rock.
zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 26, 2016 - 04:43pm PT
And irony of irOnies, Mr. Clapton finally got into The Band, just as they were dis-banding.

locker

climber
"STFU n00b!!!"
Aug 26, 2016 - 04:53pm PT

Eric Clapton was really good in his earlier years...

IMO he's better now...

Can't remember which concert, but watched him on YouTube, thinking it was a 2012 concert, and was surprised at how fuking good he's gotten...

The dude can really get that GEETAR singing...





zBrown

Ice climber
Aug 26, 2016 - 05:05pm PT
A guy I ran across, geetarz, had at one point collected just about everything of Clapton's that had been recorded. It's massive.

The site is still around, appears that last update was 2010

http://www.geetarz.org/

ecdh

climber
the east
Aug 26, 2016 - 05:38pm PT
cream were ok. id put them somewhere between the beatles and hawkwind. gentrified psychedelia/blues. a product of their times with about 50% finely rehashed southern blues and 50% futuristic sounds.
maybe in snooty london they were hardcore, but compared to what was happening in detroit, NY and even the grottier parts of england they were just marketable, not necessarily amazing.

personally i find clapton the weak link. that hes brilliant i have to take the word of good guitarists. that hes unadventurous and dull i can see for myself. surrounded by people like hendrix, david bowie etc that all he did with his talent was refine conservative styles i think is a waste - especially when he stood between bruce and baker who were much more innovative.

as it goes i knew martin sharp quite well, who did the covers and co-wrote a few songs. he was his own thing all together.

favourite track; either im so glad or anyone for tennis.
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