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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 28, 2012 - 11:43pm PT
Anyone see the documentary on Ginger Baker?... ok, not just Cream but also Blind Faith, Baker Gurvitz Army, Ginger Baker's Air Force, Hawkwind, Public Image Ltd., Atomic Rooster, Masters of Reality, Ginger Baker Trio, BBM, Fela Kuti... &c.

The title: Beware of Mr. Baker, the topic of two NYTimes articles in the past week:
http://movies.nytimes.com/2012/11/28/movies/beware-of-mr-baker-traces-the-rock-drummer-ginger-baker.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/movies/a-documentary-looks-at-the-drummer-ginger-baker.html

Actually, this is a job for Roger Breedlove, who is quite a fan of Cream... hopefully he can post up a review here...

Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:52am PT
Hi Ed!

Could you perhaps recommend something from Cream? I have listened to quite a few of their "hits", have went out and bought the Weels of Fire LP (yeah, I'm one of those vinyl guys), but somehow feel that White Room stands out a lot, the rest being a bit... lacking something?

Any recommendations are welcome.

Lasti
QITNL

climber
Nov 29, 2012 - 03:10am PT
Leading with Cream and going straight to Ginger Baker? The weakest link. When working with various drummers, we'd shout "Yo Ginger Baker!" in the talkback as an insult.

"Yo Ginger Baker!" as a climber's call would mean get on the beat, stop futzing around, take up the slack.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:13am PT
I can relate to that. Could you say that Ginger Baker is to Mitch Mitchell what Eric Clapton is to Jimi Hendrix?
SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:19am PT

I didn't, but I loved Badge!
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:51am PT
That's BADGE

(the chords of the song; B A D G E)
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2012 - 06:27am PT
Ginger baker played with Public Image lmtd? Ginger & Johhny psyche!

Lasti,
The politician
White Room
I'm so glad
Crossroads
And of course, Pressed Rat & warthog

For starters...
Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:09am PT
Aye aye Jaybro, will do.

An specific recommendations to hum (or shriek) to myself during OW climbing?

Lasti
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 07:30am PT
Maybe Roger has some recommendations...

I Feel Free a good one to hum while pressing the flesh in the wide

Find a copy of Disraeli Gears (I think I have two vinyl copies around here)

Strange Brew
Sunshine of Your Love
Tales of Brave Ulysses
Take It Back another hummer

Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:34am PT
Lasti, if you can keep your heart pumping to the beat of a Ginger Baker Drum solo, you can climb anything!
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 29, 2012 - 08:54am PT
Do What You Like, the kick drum drum-roll, quite amaZing.
Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 09:00am PT
it seems that there is the (predictable) disagreement about good drumming and the composition of a good performance...

the punk rebellion against long song performances, and extended instrumental solo improvisations would be fully realized if one pursued the activity:

rank the best drummers

but in a really odd twist, bands like Cream took the practice from early performances in jazz and the like... a more classical approach to performance when they thought they were being progressive... and punk, well, maybe atavistic to even early performance practice of fitting the song onto a single side of a 78 rpm sized platter...
Chiloe

Trad climber
Lee, NH
Nov 29, 2012 - 09:51am PT
White Room was the name Roger and I chose for the scariest climb I ever did.
"The route name refers to the climactic inside corner, with overtones of madness and electric guitar."

zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:00am PT
Good hummer Spoonful from Fresh Cream. The riff anyway.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-lRmVOGw3M


or live jam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf2tJkkYpmg





nutjob

Gym climber
Berkeley, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 11:05am PT
There are a few bands/musicians that stay at the top of my favorite list, and Cream is always on it.

Crossroads (from the live part of Wheels of Fire) is like an encyclopedia of electric blues licks. Sunshine of Your Love, White Room, Tales of Brave Ulysses, Spoonful.... And then you have the more plaintive/haunting side with stuff on Disraeli Gears like World of Pain, Dance the Night Away.

I really like their open-ended jamming approach to songs, merging the jazz notion of a song head and rounds of improvisation, with straight up rock. Cool that 3 people can make so much sound!


For interesting comparison, Eric Clapton's "24 Nights" (live album produced during concerts at Royal Albert Hall ~ 1990 or so) are excellent updates of many of the Cream classics. The originals have their special irreplaceable sound, but the 24 Nights versions come pretty close to being my favorites too.

SteveW

Trad climber
The state of confusion
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:21pm PT

Um, gulp, Larry! (I ran into Roger a week or so ago on
the West Ridge). . .
T Hocking

Trad climber
Redding, Ca
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:33pm PT
"rank the best drummers"
I won't rank them but in the rock genre a few of my favs are:
Keith Moon- The Who
John Bonham- Led Zep
Neil Peart- Rush

Lasti

Trad climber
Budapest
Nov 30, 2012 - 05:35am PT
Jaybro wrote:

Lasti, if you can keep your heart pumping to the beat of a Ginger Baker Drum solo, you can climb anything!

And here I was thinking that it only counts if your heart skips a beat. Or stops altogether.

That, and throwing up at the end of the route.

Good recommendations y'all, seems like another trip to the record store is in order.

Lasti
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 30, 2012 - 05:41am PT
"Ging-ah Bake-ah! ging-ah Bake-ah, please!"
AP

Trad climber
Calgary
Nov 30, 2012 - 07:31am PT
Why is Ginger Baker like 711 coffee?
They both suck without cream!

Actually Ginger is a good drummer and did some interesting stuff with Bill Laswell in the 90's. Plus check out his trio album with Bill Frisell and Charlie Haden, really good stuff
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