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happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:26pm PT

You would rather others censor their own views because they differ with yours?

I don't think people would have objected if Riley had said "I think" or "Some cops" or even "Most of the cops I've ever dealt with," but he made a blanket statement, and one that was frankly untrue and insulting to several people here.

According to ABC News, the average police officer nationwide has an IQ that is about 104. An average IQ is somewhere around 100, depending on the test that is being used.
Source: http://www.minotdailynews.com/page/blogs.detail/display/745/Is-it-a-problem-if-a-cop-is-TOO-smart-.html




Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:30pm PT
No I am not exaggerating about what she deals with. She calls me afterwards to get it out of her system. It's nuts. Sadly some places have more bad stuff than others. Oxnard falls into "more."

As for judging people on an individual basis. I totally agree. I also think that if you meet up with a cop and have a bad attitude, it reflects right back at you. Especially if you are being defensive, it makes them think you are guilty of something BIG.

Yes, there are bad cops out there. I get an earful about them from my Sheriff friend too. Luckily they also don't last long, it catches up to them.

I also bet if you are honest, work with them, etc. most situations won't turn sour. Riley, I respect your feelings about this, but your job is to cure. Theirs is to arrest, detain, catch a thief. It's not the same gig even though you share clients. Your relationships are different.

Worst thing my friend ever dealt with, walking in on a man kicking his dead child. It scars and changes you...
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:31pm PT
I don't care what Riley said. I can't tell who she is responding to. And so what if he disagrees? It's his right to say that, the right all our peerless American heroes supposedly fight for. I find it just as offensive to appoint heroes without thought. You don't see the "hero" any more clearly, and you set both of you up for a fall. Do you think those blindly regaled as a hero feel better understood?
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
You're not looking at the big picture, which is that if we did not have police we would not enjoy the relative security in which we live. Everyone benefits whether they personally have had their ass saved or not.


No i have thought of the big picture.
I have pleaded in fact to look at this from a historical perspective.
I don't have time to write a novel here concerning everything that is going on in my mind concerning modern issues, historical issues and issues in other countries - that is why I say you either get it or you don't.

I'm not arguing for no law enforcement!!
These conversations always end up black and white.
I'm saying that much of what we have is failing.
And that goes both ways with to much law enforcement and not enough law enforcement.

Sh#t, these are not even my words.
I worked with the wives of the Cops responsible for getting my gear back.
Their own words were - "keep on them, if you don't keep in them they are not going to do sh#t if it doesn't provide them with any revenue."

Do ya all understand that working hard is hard work? And that if people are allowed to be lazy they will generally become as lazy as they are allowed to become? You think some Cop on his donut break really wants to take a report on some douchbag climber who lost his gear???
really?? "f*#k me"...

Cops do what they are told to do folks - period!
This is the way it has always been..
If that means going out and getting 500 tickets on the local tax payers to pay for the hookers at the Policeman's ball - then they will do it.
If it means beating down black folks who want civil rights, woman who want to vote or student protesters during a sit-in they will do it. And if it means covering up for a murder or corruption they will do it..everytime!

Sure I am off my head a bit...lol
It is obvious i have authority issues....lol
I ain't no boot-licker, ass-kisser, narc, or cop lover...
It's just the way I was raised and how I am...

The worst things by far I have seen from cops, and i have seen it many times, is dereliction of duty.
DUI injury accidents, bad assaults: and the guy walks because he is connected in some way - son of a judge, ect..
As a person who has a deep value and sense of fairness - I f*#king hate that sh#t.



Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
Bachar used to Love Santanas. I'm not sure what he thought of it, but probably any mexican food was better than the alternative for him

Simplistic views: f*#k/thank the police. The police are all those things. I have had the police wrongly point a gun at my head and then bitch me out for it instead of owning up to their mistake. I've also had the police come to my rescue.

Anybody with authority SHOULD be under suspicion, and that's the correct view. But to demonize people just because they have authority is just as stupid as acting like they can do no wrong and are inscrutable super heroes.

Yup, and most people come in heroic/evil mixtures, it just that when your job has the potential to seriously hurt people's lives, the effect is amplified.

I don't know what to think of Law Enforcement priorities. I hear so many stories that they won't come do anything about thefts and burglaries but somehow we have more people in prison per capita, than any country in the world, including islamic countries with Sharia law and China where bagging on the government gets you prison. Why? The failed drug war is primarily responsible. Somehow they have the resources to catch the low hanging fruit.

On the other hand, Meth, that's one drug that needs to be illegal. Everything is not created equal

Peace

karl
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:44pm PT
Jebus...that sounded profound.

I just can't help thinking of the fun day out climbing I had with Riley and a guy, a cop, who used to be a regular on this site. A day in JT during the SushiFest a few years ago, with the two of them setting up TR's on some routes for the rest of us.

I can't for the life of me imagine Riley would say that crap to this guy's face.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:51pm PT
I also bet if you are honest, work with them, etc. most situations won't turn sour. Riley, I respect your feelings about this, but your job is to cure. Theirs is to arrest, detain, catch a thief. It's not the same gig even though you share clients. Your relationships are different

You sound like you have a great friend who is a great cop Anastasia.
Sounds like it is hard on her - i understand..
Good points - but not as different as you think - still a service.
But you are right - people need and want my help - people generally don't like to get "helped" by the poooolece - lol - that is the last kind of "help" ya need.

Honestly in reality - I am often amazed by the temperament of some police - they take a lot of sh#t in the ER.


As for Happie and everyone - part of what I write is satire here.
I have freinds who are cops.
There are lots of good cops.
When I say " I hate all these retard donut eating as#@&%es" I obviously understand that not everyone is mowing down 500 crispy creams a day - hyperbole and satire - blowing off some steam.
I would figure you guys know me well enough by now.



Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:57pm PT
I can't for the life of me imagine Riley would say that crap to this guy's face


I have never seen a Cop on the sharp end..

Good cops understand more than anyone that there are a lot of bad cops.
There are also a lot of bad nurses and Docs..
I dont see why anyone would have an issue with any of this..
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
No idea on a sarcasm level to my being "profound", although I do know that I'm not saying anything I wouldn't say to a police officer.

I dunno Happie, maybe he would, or maybe Riley wouldn't say "that crap" directly to a cop's face. Having grown up pretty poor as I did, you don't completely trust the police. I was raised to be polite, answer the questions, and move on. But when you've been unfairly tooled a couple of times, you see "that crap" has something to it, and that the police aren't an unbiased mirror merely reflecting back our own bad attitudes. There are reasons that many people in this country don't trust the police, I am sorry to say, and the closer you are to the poverty line, the more you will understand that.

Then again, I've grown up a bit too and met plenty of very good folks who wear uniforms of all types. I LIKE the police! I just believe it is our job to be SUSPICIOUS of those in power, including the police. So many other countries people have given up their right to voice their true opinions without getting officer friendly's billy club upside their head. So, yeah, fuk the police! Thank the police! Thank fuk you have the right to say either.
WBraun

climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
Riley

I knew all along ^^^^ :-)
10b4me

Boulder climber
member since 2002
Nov 27, 2012 - 12:58pm PT
Some people here on both sides should watch the movie Crash, grow up a little, and lay off the rhetoric pipe.

sound advice for some twenty-seven year olds
Anastasia

climber
InLOVEwithAris.
Nov 27, 2012 - 01:00pm PT
I know you Riley. I also like you. I was just pointing out the other side that most don't see, are not aware of. It's an ugly job so when they do a traffic stop... They have all that stuff in their head. It's wise to understand that and know why some of them are on edge. If you keep that in mind, I bet most folks can deal with them better. I really believe understanding the police can go a long way for figuring out good ways to deal with them. It is a win, win situation. Yes, it's not black and white. Nothing in life is... Not all cops are good, that is for sure... Yet... Even with bad cops, bad attitude only makes things worse. Plus, a bad attitude will make a good cop go sour on you. It's a really bad and pointless thing to do either way. You for sure won't win.

Peace.
AFS

P.S. Yes. Bachar LOVED Santanas. I swear that man thought he was on the steps of heaven while eating there. :)
michaeld

Sport climber
Sacramento
Nov 27, 2012 - 01:53pm PT
Good cops? Bad cops??
Action starts around 1:15
You decide:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c57_1353908766
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
Good cops? Bad cops??
Action starts around 1:15
You decide:

Meh, I have some sympathy for genuinely crazy guys who wind up on the wrong end of a power-mad cop's nightstick or whatever.
But cops dispensing a little street justice to gangsters (real or wannabees) and/or their film crew are probably making the world a better place.
locker

Social climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:19pm PT

The people that have problems with Cops...

obviously have problems...



Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:30pm PT
...with cops.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:33pm PT
Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Same could be said of climbers. Right now in San Diego there is a Navy Seal going to trial for ripping his Seal buddies off to the tune of one million dollars.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:34pm PT
Meh, I have some sympathy for genuinely crazy guys who wind up on the wrong end of a power-mad cop's nightstick or whatever.
But cops dispensing a little street justice to gangsters (real or wannabees) and/or their film crew are probably making the world a better place.

I agree - the little piece of sh#t was fighting - the 2nd cop came in a little late to help his partner but I have no issue there -that Cop might be psycho though..lol - he needs a little remedial training...lol
i like how the white cop knows this is a big f*#k up though - and comes back and tries to get the video.....lol

Another secret - i never got what the problem was with Rodney King getting his ass whupped - that POS was wasted, resisting, on PCP, and in a high speed chase.
"Can't we all get along"...please...damn low life
I see those POS's everyday - they deserve an ass kicking.
I've seen whole families, driving home from dinner, slaughtered by a drunk driver - imagine running a trauma codes on 4 dead family members at the same time...so f*#ked...

I ain't against ass kickings - in fact I am very pro ass kicking.
Just do the ass kicking on folks who deserve an ass kicking.
Not innocent citizens.




Patrick Sawyer

climber
Originally California now Ireland
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
Beware, a long post…

Firstly, TFish, glad you got your gear back, even at a price of some sort. Did you do the right thing? The wrong thing? Should you have told the cops?

In 1987, working the bar in a restaurant in London’s Regent Street, I got off late, as people in the biz do. I walked up Oxford Street to the bus stop for the East End (18 months in Plaistow).

These two blokes (Scottish by their accents, not that it matters) walked up and asked me for a fiver, I said I did not have one. Next thing you know I am falling to the ground and my head was used as a football with a HUGE kick, the other guy said forget it let’s go. I was seeing tweety birds spinning around.

Two couples nearby, but… if it was just two guys, maybe they would have helped me, but when you have your partner with you, you have to weigh the consequences. I don’t blame them for standing by.

When I gained my wits, I went to Tottenham Court Road police station and reported it. Nothing came of it, but with the workload of a city like London, perhaps some bobbies/cops are overwhelmed.

Next day in the restaurant, a couple of my colleagues said they would (in my place) have fought the two guys off. But as another colleague pointed out, two against one, Patrick is dazed and these guys may have blades in their pockets?

What should I have done? Easy for some to say until they are confronted with a situation.

What do I do?

I would never want to be an LEO, but there are a lot of good ones, and I am glad that somebody has to do it and not me.

And I have several bad cop stories to tell.

Yo Valley ranger pulling a gun on me? (I may have deserved it, I was acting funny, D. Y. and I dropped acid at the base of the Cap earlier in the day). Coming out of the Curry employees showers, a security guard reported me (I wasn’t Curry Co).

This ranger pulls up, and escorts/walks me back to my car in the employee parking lot. He asks for ID, I reach in the glove box and next thing... a gun pointed at me. Never before and never again, hopefully. Can’t blame Mr Ranger – me acting weird, putting my hand in a glove box dark at night, still I was scared to sh#t.

Here is the kicker.

I drive back to C4 parking lot. Around the campfire at night are a bunch of us from the Columbia/ Sonora area. We hear cries of help from the Falls Trail. I am elected to call the rangers and David Y and this other guy go up the Falls Trail.

I go to the phone booth at the gas station at C4 parking lot. Finally get through (there never is a cop around when you want one, but some have large beats, however, not in the Valley).

About 15 minutes later who shows up? Yep, you guessed it. Mr Ranger thinks I am making false reports. He lectures me and off he goes.

David Y and other came down from the trail with newlyweds from the Midwest. The guy had fallen about ten feet off the trail onto a ledge.

They treat DY and the other bloke to a meal at the Foul Squeezings. Me? Nada, and a LEO who doesn’t like me (but that was 1976).

There’s more… (bear with me, it’s a long-winded post… to paraphrase a distant relative “If I had more time, I would have written a shorter post”).

CHP Officer Puff (real name), hung around the Lafayette/Walnut Creek and surrounds (Highways 24 and 80). Twice citations for me. The second time (running red light, it was green) the bailiff says that Puff (real name, I kid you not), usually has four times more cases/challenges than any other cop in the WC courthouse, so to speak. EDIT However, I was in the right (I had diagrams, photos, etc to prove my point, but still lost my case. I figure I was the third of four of Puff's "challengers", the first two were acquitted, so the judge probably thought he should give one to Puff.)

My old psychedelic-painted (that Bridwell loved apparently) 1948 Ford Pickup with (home-built camper shell), how many times between Lafayette and Valley/TM was I stopped (I think more out of the LEO’s curiosity). Livermore, Tracy, Manteca, Escalon, Oakdale… and so forth and so on. Harassment? Probably, but two sides to every coin… and then the grey areas.

1980 – Late Friday, leaving as a chef at The Refectory in WC. Come up to an accident scene (not mine, single car, no injuries among three guys), deputy halts me, he thinks I was going to fast in the fog.

I pull over, he runs a wants and warrants. Next thing you know, I am in county jail. Mom bails me out. Monday after the judge hears my side, he says, “no charges and your bail money back”.

My side? About a year earlier, in my Datsun PU, a CHP pulls me over, white on red tail light. It broke the day before and I just was coming home with a new tail light assembly. I showed him it and the receipt. Nope. Fix-it ticket.

Easily fixed and to Martinez CHP station. A lieutenant signed the fix-it ticket off. I sent it, by post to the WC courthouse. Apparently it never got there. So a warrant was issued for my arrest, and hence the previous scenario.

Moral of the story: If you have to deliver legal documents. If possible, do it by post. How many times have I heard, as a journalist, “the vagaries of the post”.

Cops… most good, some bad. Like life.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 27, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Moreso the bad.. They live eat crawl and die in the crappiest that life has to offer. They are trained to be authoritative. They attain a severely warped view of reality. The job itself attracts more often the powerhungry and anal retentive.

Rare is the situation where a cop makes things better and even then often too late.

Of all the risks to my life, limb, freedom, and financial security.. none has come close in real world ACTUAL RESULTS to that of the goddamn LEO.
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