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Gym climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
Good cops? Bad cops??
Action starts around 1:15
You decide:

Meh, I have some sympathy for genuinely crazy guys who wind up on the wrong end of a power-mad cop's nightstick or whatever.
But cops dispensing a little street justice to gangsters (real or wannabees) and/or their film crew are probably making the world a better place.

Social climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:19pm PT

The people that have problems with Cops...

obviously have problems...

Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:30pm PT
...with cops.
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:33pm PT
Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Same could be said of climbers. Right now in San Diego there is a Navy Seal going to trial for ripping his Seal buddies off to the tune of one million dollars.

Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
Beware, a long post…

Firstly, TFish, glad you got your gear back, even at a price of some sort. Did you do the right thing? The wrong thing? Should you have told the cops?

In 1987, working the bar in a restaurant in London’s Regent Street, I got off late, as people in the biz do. I walked up Oxford Street to the bus stop for the East End (18 months in Plaistow).

These two blokes (Scottish by their accents, not that it matters) walked up and asked me for a fiver, I said I did not have one. Next thing you know I am falling to the ground and my head was used as a football with a HUGE kick, the other guy said forget it let’s go. I was seeing tweety birds spinning around.

Two couples nearby, but… if it was just two guys, maybe they would have helped me, but when you have your partner with you, you have to weigh the consequences. I don’t blame them for standing by.

When I gained my wits, I went to Tottenham Court Road police station and reported it. Nothing came of it, but with the workload of a city like London, perhaps some bobbies/cops are overwhelmed.

Next day in the restaurant, a couple of my colleagues said they would (in my place) have fought the two guys off. But as another colleague pointed out, two against one, Patrick is dazed and these guys may have blades in their pockets?

What should I have done? Easy for some to say until they are confronted with a situation.

What do I do?

I would never want to be an LEO, but there are a lot of good ones, and I am glad that somebody has to do it and not me.

And I have several bad cop stories to tell.

Yo Valley ranger pulling a gun on me? (I may have deserved it, I was acting funny, D. Y. and I dropped acid at the base of the Cap earlier in the day). Coming out of the Curry employees showers, a security guard reported me (I wasn’t Curry Co).

This ranger pulls up, and escorts/walks me back to my car in the employee parking lot. He asks for ID, I reach in the glove box and next thing... a gun pointed at me. Never before and never again, hopefully. Can’t blame Mr Ranger – me acting weird, putting my hand in a glove box dark at night, still I was scared to sh#t.

Here is the kicker.

I drive back to C4 parking lot. Around the campfire at night are a bunch of us from the Columbia/ Sonora area. We hear cries of help from the Falls Trail. I am elected to call the rangers and David Y and this other guy go up the Falls Trail.

I go to the phone booth at the gas station at C4 parking lot. Finally get through (there never is a cop around when you want one, but some have large beats, however, not in the Valley).

About 15 minutes later who shows up? Yep, you guessed it. Mr Ranger thinks I am making false reports. He lectures me and off he goes.

David Y and other came down from the trail with newlyweds from the Midwest. The guy had fallen about ten feet off the trail onto a ledge.

They treat DY and the other bloke to a meal at the Foul Squeezings. Me? Nada, and a LEO who doesn’t like me (but that was 1976).

There’s more… (bear with me, it’s a long-winded post… to paraphrase a distant relative “If I had more time, I would have written a shorter post”).

CHP Officer Puff (real name), hung around the Lafayette/Walnut Creek and surrounds (Highways 24 and 80). Twice citations for me. The second time (running red light, it was green) the bailiff says that Puff (real name, I kid you not), usually has four times more cases/challenges than any other cop in the WC courthouse, so to speak. EDIT However, I was in the right (I had diagrams, photos, etc to prove my point, but still lost my case. I figure I was the third of four of Puff's "challengers", the first two were acquitted, so the judge probably thought he should give one to Puff.)

My old psychedelic-painted (that Bridwell loved apparently) 1948 Ford Pickup with (home-built camper shell), how many times between Lafayette and Valley/TM was I stopped (I think more out of the LEO’s curiosity). Livermore, Tracy, Manteca, Escalon, Oakdale… and so forth and so on. Harassment? Probably, but two sides to every coin… and then the grey areas.

1980 – Late Friday, leaving as a chef at The Refectory in WC. Come up to an accident scene (not mine, single car, no injuries among three guys), deputy halts me, he thinks I was going to fast in the fog.

I pull over, he runs a wants and warrants. Next thing you know, I am in county jail. Mom bails me out. Monday after the judge hears my side, he says, “no charges and your bail money back”.

My side? About a year earlier, in my Datsun PU, a CHP pulls me over, white on red tail light. It broke the day before and I just was coming home with a new tail light assembly. I showed him it and the receipt. Nope. Fix-it ticket.

Easily fixed and to Martinez CHP station. A lieutenant signed the fix-it ticket off. I sent it, by post to the WC courthouse. Apparently it never got there. So a warrant was issued for my arrest, and hence the previous scenario.

Moral of the story: If you have to deliver legal documents. If possible, do it by post. How many times have I heard, as a journalist, “the vagaries of the post”.

Cops… most good, some bad. Like life.

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 27, 2012 - 05:55pm PT
Cops are a reflection of society, the good, the bad and the ugly.

Moreso the bad.. They live eat crawl and die in the crappiest that life has to offer. They are trained to be authoritative. They attain a severely warped view of reality. The job itself attracts more often the powerhungry and anal retentive.

Rare is the situation where a cop makes things better and even then often too late.

Of all the risks to my life, limb, freedom, and financial security.. none has come close in real world ACTUAL RESULTS to that of the goddamn LEO.

Trad climber
La Crescenta, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2012 - 06:06pm PT

Firstly, TFish, glad you got your gear back, even at a price of some sort. Did you do the right thing? The wrong thing? Should you have told the cops?

It wasn't even that bad of a price. Who else can say they bought a huge rack for $43. I don't even care I lost my #5, it cost me like $2.

I think I did the right thing. The guy knew where we were camping and if I ratted him out he could have come looking for me. Or I might have spent a few hours the next day talking to cops and filing a report instead of climbing some really fun stuff.

Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:09pm PT
Rare is the situation where a cop makes things better and even then often too late.

Cops help people all the time--it just does not make the news most of the time. Ever been stranded on the side of the road and had a cop stop and help out? Ever watch YOSAR rescue someone of the Captain? (YOSAR is run by cops.)

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
Yeah most SAR groups are under the authority of LEO's .. but they are not generally the ones doing the work. RESCUE is not normally the day to day job of the average LEO. I did not say that the popo is NEVER a good thing.. just RARELY.

The fact remains that the greatest threat to my life and all i care about in it has been LEO's. Just a fact and one many others can relate to.

Coming from a mountaineer that should say something.
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:27pm PT
So what did Bachar think of the PO PO?
I know he didnt like the white man to much...lol

Those are two interesting questions!
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
LEOs are like the Immune system of our society. If you are threatened with real sickness, you need them. Sometimes they win, and sometimes you get sick anyway.

But in situations where there's not much crime, they become like an auto-immune disease like Arthritis, Hashimoto's, or even aids. They attack the people who they are supposed to protect because their main function is to protect by attacking without the best discrimination of what to attack. When it's your job to bust crime, your idea of sucess in your job in our society that emphasizes competition, is to find something to bust.

Thus our prohibition style drug war as turned regular citizens into criminals and LEOs into the enemy. Really sad for both the LEOs and the people as otherwise they could be white knights for all


Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:39pm PT
I like the analogy, Karl. Good one.

Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
+3 Karl.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Sneaking up behind you
Nov 27, 2012 - 06:50pm PT
I ate at Santana's at least twice this weekend.

Better than a lot of the alternatives...

Social climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 07:00pm PT

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Trad climber
Josh, CA
Nov 27, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Joshua Tree has the look and feel of a small town. After living here for many years I've noticed that peoples impression seems to be on par with the town of Mayberry.

The real truth however is in stark contrast. The Morongo Basin as a whole is a welfare state. We also have some very big city problems with regards to drugs and theft.

I know because my wife and I had our entire house cleaned out by meth addicts while we were in L.A. so she could get chemo.

Visitors (like the OP) let their guard down and do foolish things like leaving belongings either very visible in their cars, or just outright in the open. Then act surprised by the results.

Law enforcement has their hands full here. The night this apparently happened there was indeed a shooting in Yucca Valley. One person is in the hospital in critical condition.

Joshua Tree is actually a very large area geographically. This means it is a very big area to cover.

Just some perspective to clear some of the outright bullshit that has been posted to this thread.

Mountain climber
Nov 27, 2012 - 09:14pm PT
Indirectly related to this - a couple months ago I had an expensive mountain bike stolen from the basement of the office building where I work in downtown San Francisco. The thief managed to get into the bike lockup even though it was key coded. He was recorded on security video cam cutting the lock off and leaving with my bike. I burned the video to CD, printed a couple frame grabs of the thief and dropped it all off with SFPD. I expected to never hear back, but to my surprise got a call a week later from a police inspector saying he was distributing the video for officers to view. Shortly after that I got another call saying 3 officers had recognized the thief, who is a known burgler and meth user, and that the DA was issuing a no bail arrest warrant. I called SFPD today to find out what was happening with the case. They told me the guy was arrested 6 days ago and arraigned this afternoon on charges of grand theft for stealing my bike. He's also facing charges of violating parole.

Unfortunately, there's little chance of getting my bike back, but its assuring to know this guy is doing time as I type and not getting away with it. Quite impressive followup by SFPD. I'll be seeing this crook in court.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 27, 2012 - 09:15pm PT
I ain't against ass kickings - in fact I am very pro ass kicking.
Just do the ass kicking on folks who deserve an ass kicking.
Not innocent citizens.

Problem is, that is in the eye of the beholder.

I seriously doubt that there are many people in bad parts of their lives that are made better by getting beaten. for example:

Having grown up pretty poor as I did, you don't completely trust the police. I was raised to be polite, answer the questions, and move on. But when you've been unfairly tooled a couple of times, you see "that crap" has something to it, and that the police aren't an unbiased mirror merely reflecting back our own bad attitudes.

Trad climber
Nov 28, 2012 - 09:55am PT
Cops in Joshua Tree are LAME.... I was heading out of the park years ago... stoped at Sams market for some junk food,....... backed my car up 8 feet and THEN turned on my headlights instead of turning the lights on before backing.... (note, this is all in a parking lot) they pulled me over and never asked for any iD... The yanked my car door open and with hands on thier pistol yelled GET OUT OF THE CAR! and asked if i was DRUNK... the last beer i drank was about 20 years ago...... I called their watch commander and told him that his men are THUGS WITH NEPOLIAN COMPLEX.

WHAT A BUNCH OF TAX WASTING DNUT EATING LOOSERS.... really what a bunch of sh#t.

PS glad you got your gear back and lets set up a sting opporation and catch those meth heads in the act

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 28, 2012 - 11:01am PT

Did you mean Neapolitan? Why can't they leave out the faux strawberry?
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