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John M

climber
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
Keep going.. Day three usually sucks the worst. Though four and five can be pretty bad too. heh heh. :-)
darkmagus

Mountain climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:05pm PT
I'm a huge fan of anything made by Brooks. I have a pair of cascadia trail runners at the moment.

Don't get five fingers, otherwise YER GONNA DIE
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 02:09pm PT
Been advised to stay on an every-other-day running schedule initially....until the bod adjusts a bit.

Today's run, in 40 knot winds and 44 degree temps with rain showers....was...interesting.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 02:41pm PT
^Might make the case for running barefoot. I hate running in wet shoes.



GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 29, 2012 - 03:52pm PT
40 knots? How'd ya measure it?

;D
Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 04:55pm PT
GDavis, living in the mountains for half my life....I spend a lot of time in less than desirable conditions. Between climbing and SAR ops in brutal weather, one gets a good idea of wind strengths.

When you nearly get knocked on your arse....that's 40+ knot territory.

:)
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:09pm PT
Not to mess up a good response, but I am compelled to ask, which half and (you saw it coming didnt' ya?) how did you measure it?


-Sir Isaac (don't call me fig) Newton

Cragman

Trad climber
June Lake, California....via the Damascus Road
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 29, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
zBrown, do you know what an anemometer is?

And the second half...from 27 years young to presently 51 years better.

:)
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
If you can get over the boredom factor (a very high hurdle), then buying and using an elliptical machine is probably better for you all-around healthwise.

I always feel like I'm not working nearly as hard on the elliptical. Much easier to get heart rate up when running. Turning up the resistance isn't the same -- yeah, it gets the heart rate up, but it's like wading through molasses.

For the boredom, that's the primary reason I got a smart phone: watch movies while on the cardio machine at the gym.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Nov 29, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
For boring indoor cardio workouts, I really liked the rowing machine. It's a very calming exercise, makes me feel like I'm row, row, rowing my boat....
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 29, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
Do I know what a weather vane is? The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.





http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1997834&msg=1998064#msg1998064
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
Nov 30, 2012 - 06:46am PT
I always feel like I'm not working nearly as hard on the elliptical.

I feel the same way, stairmaster too. Only thing that comes close to running is swimming. Dont forget swimming as an injury-free alternative. I also use the stationary bike, but high tension just builds leg strength, and never gets to the same aerobic level as the others.

When the weather is bad, I run on a treadmill, and use that to discipline myself to an 8:00 min pace. Its good to do this sometimes, to get a benchmark, then when you're outside you can basically feel how fast you're going and set realistic goals. I dont want to add more mileage if brings me down to a 9 or 10 minute pace. That's jogging and the repitition is what wrecks your knees, etc. What I've found is that running faster is not bad for you, but jogging longer distances seems to be.
eKat

Trad climber
BackInTheDitch BackInTheDirt BackInTheDay
Nov 30, 2012 - 07:51am PT
I always feel like I'm not working nearly as hard on the elliptical.

That's the idea. Great workout with less "Rate of Perceived Exertion."

I bought one 2 months ago and it ROCKS. . . I do 300 - 450 mins a week and it was just what I needed. (hey, I'll ski, even race, in full blown whiteouts - but don't ask me to powerwalk in the rain!)

:-)

Plus. . . I blew out a hammie back in the spring (skeezin) undoubtedly from the gut ache meds I was taking (since MUSCLE WEAKNESS is one of the top side effects). . . I over compensated for that HUGE muscle being wrecked by walking weird - thus totally screwing up my other foot. . . DOOD!

I'm off the meds (THANK GOD! I discovered I was wheat intolerant and put down on both wheat and the meds). . . and the even, graceful, adjustable stride of the elliptical has completely restored my strength - to both sides of my hulkyself.

DIG IT!

Ya know what they say. . . the BEST cardio machine you can buy is the one you'll actually use. . . for me, it's the elliptical. . . for my money, it's the closest thing to the grace and fluidity of Nordic skeezin. . . and I LOVE IT. It took me 5ive years to finally pull the trigger on this puppy. . . and I kinda kick my own butt for waiting so long.

YMMV!

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SCseagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz
Nov 30, 2012 - 09:38am PT
Now that you got the right shoes you might want to invest in a GPS heart rate monitor. I am having a blast with mine. It uploads to Google Maps and you can animate your run, elevation changes measured against heart rate, pace and averages. It works very well on my trail runs in heavily forested Santa Cruz mountains. I got the womens Garmin 110. Price about $150. It's a fairly basic model and does all I could ever want. The ones with all the bells and whistles...way over the top. I'll be able to use it for skiing too. Can't wait

Susan
Doug Tomczik

climber
Bishop
Nov 30, 2012 - 10:28am PT
Go to Sage to Summit. Great shop with staff that really know the shoes. Shop local.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 30, 2012 - 10:36am PT
Now that you got the right shoes you might want to invest in a GPS heart rate monitor. I am having a blast with mine. It uploads to Google Maps and you can animate your run, elevation changes measured against heart rate, pace and averages. It works very well on my trail runs in heavily forested Santa Cruz mountains. I got the womens Garmin 110. Price about $150. It's a fairly basic model and does all I could ever want. The ones with all the bells and whistles...way over the top. I'll be able to use it for skiing too. Can't wait

Second that. I use the MapMyFitness phone app. Heart rate requires an adapter and ANT-compatible sensor, though.

Geek-bait aside, it is a bit of a progress-measuring tool b/c you can save routes and compare times / pace. 'Course, you can do that with a watch and a note pad -- this is just more convenient because you don't need to know the distance of the route (it measures the distance as you go), so you can compare pace from run to run without having to measure each and every route.
John M

climber
Nov 30, 2012 - 10:56am PT
If Rox was still here he would be having a conniption fit about now.

Gawdang it. When I was a youngster I ran nekid through the woods with gangbangers and wolfs chasing me. You don't need no special shoes or dagnabbit computers to help you run. All that you need is fear. Thats all you need. Go find the meanest dog in the neighborhood and kick it. Speaking of which.. all you damn Californians won't let us kick our dogs anymore and now dogs are a bunch of worthless pussies. what good is a dog if it won't eat you or chase you? Leave our dogs alone. Stupid fecking californians.



I'm short about a 1000 words.. but you get the gist.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:03am PT
Yep, no one "needs" any of this sh#t any more than they "need" to go climbing, need cams, chalk, tape, stretchy ropes...

But some things are simply fun, and sometimes comfort or additional protection are a good thing.
zBrown

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 30, 2012 - 11:59am PT
@stzzo

For a different take on heart rate check out Phil Maffetone's thinking

(u can start here if inclined: http://philmaffetone.com/180formula.cfm);.

Mark Allen who won the Hawaii ironman six times is a proponent and former(?) practitioner.

I got a heart-rate monitor and tried it out, but like the article says it's hard to do.

However, others have other approaches:

In Tabata's study, the researchers found that athletes who used the routine five days a week for six weeks improved their maximum aerobic capacity by 14% and improved their anaerobic capacity by 28%. A study of traditional aerobic training of running at 70% of aerobic capacity for 60 minutes for six weeks showed an improvement in aerobic capacity of 9.5% and no effect on anaerobic capacity.

So what is the Tabata routine?

In their research Tabata et al.(1996) showed that a 4 minute cardiovascular training routine improved fitness. The whole session lasts 14 minutes and is comprised of a 5 minute warm up, 4 minutes of intense exercise and a 5 minute cool down. The 4 minutes of intense exercise is comprised of 8 repeats of 20 seconds of maximum effort work of your selected exercise followed by a recovery of 10 seconds.

I did a modification of the Tabata on a e-machine to test it out

5:00 @5mph warm up
5X(:40 @12mph & :20 @6mph)
5:00 @5.5mph cool down
total 15:00

It worked.









The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Sneaking up behind you
Nov 30, 2012 - 12:28pm PT
@zBrown: Thanks, I'll check it out. I don't find it hard to stay in a given range, if it's a range that I want to be in. They also have those zone-based reporting tools that let you define a zone and tell you when you're in it or not, how long you stayed in it overall, etc.

@eKat:

I always feel like I'm not working nearly as hard on the elliptical.

That's the idea. Great workout with less "Rate of Perceived Exertion."

But I prefer to perceive that I'm exerting myself... Maybe I need a perspective shift :-).
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