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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 19, 2012 - 05:36pm PT
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Found a junkie living in front of my suburban house- living in my Grasshopper. She was known and connected to a bunch of recent car break ins.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2012 - 05:44pm PT
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She smelled it up with cigs, and wet herself in it and I found a used pad in there when I helped the cops clean it out. Sick and creepy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 05:46pm PT
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You want a junky or a trailer?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2012 - 06:08pm PT
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The grasshopper at Pinnacles NM before the violation.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 19, 2012 - 06:18pm PT
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I guess you could have offered her a proper place to live - but calling in the cops makes for an easier solution to the problem.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 19, 2012 - 06:42pm PT
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She can go stay at your house.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
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Sad!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:04pm PT
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So,.......... is a really small crack house considered a rurp house?
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MisterE
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
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That's sketchy!
We keep ours in the driveway/garage for just this reason.
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
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Would a really large one be a bong house?
No, that's the big bro house.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 19, 2012 - 07:13pm PT
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She was a known junkie and the cops and I found things in the trailer connecting her to car break ins ID's and receipts and the like. Rather than just call a shelter I called the cops, a second time they were not that interested the first time, after she told me a rape story. I felt sorry for her but then I cleaned up a used pad, a small container of piss, and smoked cigarettes. Maybe you give her a more Berkeley home.
Mr E moving it out to county tomorrow.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
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"probably leads .11c" "i found a used pad" "is she single?"
she a crack junky, solos .11c but occasionally uses bongs, and has a well used/soiled bouldering pad. sent to rehab for the detox from 'cigs"!
Burchey, sounds like a good potential partner! and wud prolle fit right into the c4 sketch / scarf scene!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:23pm PT
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I thought that a Bong House was a vacation home in Colorado.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:30pm PT
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How did the top fighter pilot in WWII get involved in this?
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
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[Click to View YouTube Video]
Splitter, this is the real story behind her addiction.
She got dumped after the video came out, you see.
She's got her troubles, now they're Mr.T's, too.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:56pm PT
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Speaking of "crack addicts" ...
i watched this youtube video last week about these crack addicts in Boston, or just outside of Boston. It really bothered me afterwards, because you kinda get to know this main character out of 3-4 main characters, and then, in the end credits it states that one died of an overdose a month or two after filming. see if you can guess which one it is before the end credits roll (its well worth watching) ...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
edit: this one guy was a world class boxer/fought Sugar Ray Leonard (shows part of the fight)!
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MisterE
Social climber
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Nov 19, 2012 - 07:59pm PT
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So, this Junkie walks into a mini-trailer and says...
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:32am PT
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splitter - sad movie. TFPU
Makes me want to smoke something to make the pain go away.
I have a niece who ran away at 18 and is living that life now somewhere on the streets of some big city. Makes one feel rather hopeless.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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rockermike - yes, it is a very sad movie. heartbreaking really. I'm sorry to here about your niece. please don't give up hope. i will remember her in my prayers!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 20, 2012 - 07:01am PT
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My dad would occasionally catch transients stealing the wine and money out of the donation box in the church. He would put them to work on the farm. Make em put in a full days work for room and board. Shoveling sh#t, weeding gardens, logging, splitting wood, fixing fence etc. Most of them only lasted a few days and then they ran away. One guy lasted about a week. They would sit @ the dinner table with us and share the meal. A few days of hard work with no booze or drugs and these guys would hit the road. Dad never called the cops on any of them.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 20, 2012 - 08:24am PT
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Sad story. Reminds me of one of my ex tenants. You did the right thing. I hope she can get the help she needs through incarceration. Sometimes it helps.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 20, 2012 - 08:53am PT
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It's sad how things go for some folks. Junkies just piss me off these days so good riddance. Hopefully the grasshopper will recover with cleaning and a few therapy sessions.
Our next door neighbor had a nice trailer parked in their driveway that they were seasonally using as an "office", but between the looser teenage daughter+friends and a junkie business manager it just became a party-pad. They finally shut off the power and padlocked it. Within 24 hours the junkies torched it.
After it was determined that my house was still standing... I secretly cheered the arsonist. Happy to see that trouble magnet get slagged.
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 09:19am PT
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It really freaked my kids out. Gave my daughter bad dreams. My son can't wait to tell all his friends when he goes back to school next week, He used to use it as a mini play house with his buddies but now he says he is not ready to go back in the Grasshopper. Cleaned it out with a flea fogger, lots of different cleaners and checked very carefully for needles. On a better note here is my kid with Sonya Looney endurance bike racer from a couple of days ago.
My son with his older cousin on a local trail
If I was wearing my Pakistani clothes it would have really freaked the addict out.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:06am PT
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When junkie-trailer encounters go bad:
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 10:15am PT
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@justthemaid-
Here is a reply that a buddy put on my facebook.
My parents had a camper they'd park behind my mom's work when they weren't camping. We went to clean it out so they could sell it, only to find that some dude had made it into his little jack-off station. There were c-grade, crumpled and damp porn shots taped up to every possible space, with the floor covered with used Kleenex, as you would expect. That was one awkward father and son bonding moment. Not quite as cool as a pee-soaked junkie, I know.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:11pm PT
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When junkies hit the road...
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
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^^^ That shot always reminds me of "Breaking Bad". ^^^
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:29pm PT
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Wanna sell it?
Is it small enough o pull behind a Saab?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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yes, a Saab could pull it. No way we could sell it. I read that there were only 100-150 of that size ever made. Pulled over dirt roads all over the west
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 12:52pm PT
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one evening just before closing i took pity on this little old lady that i had pegged at being @80+ years old who was sitting in a local taco bell. just sitting there watching the rain with her two gym/duffle bags with all her worldly belongings. it was last jan/feb and cold out. so when we both got booted out of taco bell at closing (11:00pm) i offered her a ride to wherever. she accepted, then sat in my truck for about 10-15 minutes trying to decide where she wanted me to take her. it became obvious that she had nowhere to go. just great. it was looking like i had just got suckered into an 'adopt a down & out granny' or whatever. so, i let her stay in my camper overnight.
i get up early (6:00am) and take her back to the taco bell & buy her breakfast. she asks if she can leave her two duffle bags in my truck while she takes care of business and finds a place to stay with friends. like an f'n fool i concede. the only smart thing i did was get an emergency phone # in case we don't meet as planned later that afternoon. i had to insist b'cuz her initial response was "why, aren't ya gonna show up?" i said, "i hope so, but sh#t happens!!" good thing i did because she didn't show. it was her daughters #, and all she said when i contacted her was, "Oh gawd, she's on the streets again?"
Well, I become kind of concerned at that point and ask her just how old her mother is, and what is she doing on the streets at her age anyway? and she says she is 56 y.o.!! WTF, 56?? she was five years younger than myself for crying out loud. I am not kidding you, I was shocked. She was a total wreck. No teeth, deeply wrinkled, hunched over, skinny as a rail, etc!
I work in rehab hospitals and nursing homes so i am fairly proficient at determining/guessing someones age. I thought 81-82 years old minimum. That was the whole reason I was so concerned for her. It turns out she is/was a long term meth addict & alcoholic. what a waste of a life.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Nov 20, 2012 - 01:15pm PT
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This is a pretty strange thread.
I can certainly understand being freaked out to find a homeless person had taken shelter in a camper that I owned, but posting pictures of the arrest?
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If I was wearing my Pakistani clothes it would have really freaked the addict out. Why would that be?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 20, 2012 - 02:00pm PT
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Interesting how when an alcoholic druggie gets Tooled for bootleg camping in the park you guys get all bent out of shape yet you cheer when an alcoholic druggie gets tooled for bootleg camping in town?
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mrtropy
Trad climber
Nor Cal
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2012 - 02:42pm PT
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If she was just homeless, without the stolen property they would not have arrested her. BTW the cops were very respectful to her. For some reason I do not think my wife would let me keep a hooker in the trailer when we can afford our house payments. My son and daughter would not be to happy either.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 20, 2012 - 03:48pm PT
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like i said, i work in rehab. when i first started in the business about 20 years ago i went to work for a temp agency and they sent me to a state run nursing home in san diego (edgemore geriatric hospital). i was working with stroke patients facilitating their adl's (activities of daily living). i was treating about 1-2 patients per hour. i started noticing that the average age of the patient was in their early 30's with a few in their 20's. and some of the older ones in their 40's had been there for a decade or more.
it turns out they were the ones who had survived a blown artery, major brain hemorrhages, etc., secondary to ingesting crystal meth/speed & crack!
i can still picture 3 faces and their stories. a gal who was in her early 30's with slurred speech and in a wheel chair whose young daughter and husband faithfully came to her rehab session each day. she was a victim of speed.
a guy in his 40's who had been there many years, who was one of the higher level/functioning individuals whom i was working with on his standing and sitting balance, bed mobility, transfers from wheelchair to toilet to wheelchair and a few other things. he was also a speed statistic. who, after all that time, was getting the opportunity to have/give it one more shot at being semi independent and getting the hell out of there.
a young guy in his late 20's who was also in a wheelchair and paralyzed from the neck down but had some use of his right shoulder and wrist and we were working on getting a fork up to his mouth so he could have the pleasure of feeding himself (not be dependent on someone spoon feeding him/the humility of it). he had been shot through the neck in a deal gone bad. he told me the story, and many others about his life as a drug dealer. he was (i suspect he is no longer with us/nor are the other two) a great guy, and i eventually came to consider him as one of my friends. as i did with many of the others!!
i really wish they would bring all kids, sometime during their early development, (elementary, middle school, high school, ??) to one of these places! and perhaps also a visit to the local morgue to check out the equally young but even less fortunate individuals who didn't survive "dope"!
BTW, my nephew (Bobby) will be getting out of county jail soon. he was sentenced to a year for possession of crystal meth. he has had a problem with it off and on for close to 20 years or more (since he was 16). He was a fireman at one time, worked full time for the fire dept in Redding, California. I and his mother (my sister) are praying that he stays clean,
They did let him out for a couple months while they were trying to find/fit him into a drug rehab program and he stayed clean all that time. They couldn't find an opening (they are all VERY crowded/unless you have a LOT of money) so he finally decided to simply do his time and just get it over with (rather then not have to go to jail and go to rehab facility instead for 6-12 months). That way he would be off scot free (no parole/don't have to report/no drug testing)!!! Oh well...we will see how that goes/works, eh?
Cali & the US in general is a mess. drugs are a scourge on our country, upon our youth!!!!!
Toker Villian - "15B vs 3B" -- Sheeeeesh! Ya think they wud figure it out sooner or later, eh?
Bobby is trying hard & definitely desired to seek help (rehab)... so, I wish they would have got him into a rehab facility (very dissapointing)!!!!
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 20, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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We spent over $15B on enforcement and only $3B on education and rehab.
That should be reversed.
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Bargainhunter
climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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Get ready for some thread drift here...
Splitter, your story doesn't surprise me (about the young age of people in some rehab nursing homes due to the side effects of their own lifestyle choice).
[Edit: To clarify, the following isn't directed toward Splitter, but to the general audience following the post. The use of the word "you" isn't directed toward Splitter or anyone in particular. It's an anonymous "you" in the same way that one uses the word "one" as I just did in this sentence. Splitter got offended (see a few posts below) thinking the following was directed toward him, which it wasn't.]
What is sad to me is the cost that society (e.g the tax payer, their families) pays to support them. You think any of these people even think for a second about long term disability insurance or the cost of their incarceration or the stress and financial burden they place on family members? Not only are they selfish about about their own personal choices in the process of ruining their own lives, they are more than eager to drain plenty of other's resources on the way down with impunity, and complain when they don't get their entitled financial support from the government/family/friends etc. What do you think the monthly cost per patient in that state run facility was? I'd guess that it was much more than dozens of hardworking supertopian's salaries combined.
Sometimes, as Twight says, the burned hand teaches best. The choices you make determine the choices you have.
For an interesting, personal perspective on addiction from a climber, read about Matt Samet's (former editor at Climbing Mag) own experience being addicted to benzos. What is telling to me from the get go in his article is that instead of placing responsibility on himself and admitting to his own weakness (of having anxiety disorder to begin with, and abusing drugs/alcohol), he immediately places blame on doctors who prescribed him the medications that are used to treat anxiety. Many who have panic attacks or generalized anxiety disorder can use benzos safely without becoming addicted, unfortunately this was not the case with Samet. His underlying drug abuse certainly played a role here as well. Fortunately, he eventually gained some insight and learned how to cope with his stress using lifestyle modification (avoiding stressors, doing things that relax him, etc.).
The fact that he appears ignorant to the concept of "cognitive behavioral therapy" until deep into his disease is ridiculous. I, as a healthcare provider, mention it to drug seeking patients in the Emergency Department within minutes of speaking to them. Most have zero interest in gaining insight into the fact that they are taking addictive medications that can lead to dependence and escalating doses. They expect that they can show up in an Emergency Department and demand refills of whatever narcotic they want. Wrong. But they sure as hell will complaint about it, verbally (and sometimes physically) assaulting myself and my staff in the process.
Unfortunately for responsible healthcare providers, hospital and government imposed patient satisfaction surveys are used to gauge quality of care, and in my case are linked to my salary and compensation. Since the majority of my patients are either on a prescribed controlled substance, or arrive in my Emergency Department due to the direct effect of recreation drugs (car accidents due to drunk driving, falls from being over medicated, assault, drug related gang shootings, jail clearances for drug arrests, psych disorders exacerbated by "medical marijuana", asthma attacks or respiratory distress worsened by smoking, etc.), many of these patients are dissatisfied with their care when they are appropriately confronted instead of being enabled. How do you think they fill out their patient satisfaction surveys? Why do you think doctors are retiring early? Why do you think there will be a severe physician shortage in the future? Who do you think pays taxes for these patients' Medicaid charity insurance, disability, food stamps, section 8 housing vouchers, prescriptions, ambulances rides, social workers, case managers, etc.
This is a huge societal problem. Next time you are in the ditch cracking a cobra or an old E and burning one down, think about those, just like Samet, you are enabling.
The link: http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/climbing/rock-climbing/Beauty-in-the-Breakdown.html
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zBrown
Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:17pm PT
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kinda off topic, but how long had the woman been living there?
kinda further off topic, but was she in anyway involved in the 1977 plane crash?
back on topic:
more $$ for rehab, less $$ for enforcement
some of my (I'll borrow from Walmart here) associates died or committed suicide, while some others turned their lives around
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MisterE
Social climber
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:23pm PT
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Toadgas, that was way out of line.
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Michelle
Trad climber
Toshi's Station, picking up power converters.
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Nov 20, 2012 - 11:32pm PT
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The one thing I believe is that anyone will do what it takes to feed the beast. Lie, cheat and steal. Bottom line.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Nov 21, 2012 - 12:28am PT
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well, at least you documented it for God knows what reason
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:14am PT
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bargainhunter - next time you are in the ditch cracking a cobra or an old E or burning down one, think aabout those, just like Samet, you are enabling .
Ummm, perhaps I missed something, but how am I enabling anyone, let alone people just like Samet.
I told the story about the nursing home to put the message to anyone either posting or lurking here on ST and who just happen to be using the occasional "recreational" drug that they could very well end up there. Some of those individuals snorted there very first line of coke or meth and that's where they ended up. Others, ended up belly up in the morgue. Take heed...!
Was it because I said they were my friends? Do you despise these people that much? I suspect you would have been one of the stone throwers that day Jesus encountered the prostitute!
I did one thing that could have possibly caused you to JUMP to such an absurd conclusion (that I am an enabler). I agreed with Toker Villian that there is PERHAPS an unbalanced focus on incarceration for the first time offenders or those who have never recieved rehabilitation VS at least ONE shot at rehab. My nephew didn't get that shot. Because that first shot is a BIG joke. I briefly described the situation with my nephew. His life was put on HOLD for going on THREE (3) months while waiting to get into a rehab facility. He has excepted responsibility for where he is at.
While he was out and waiting, like i said, he stayed clean. But, those where 12 lost weeks. He couldn't work, he went day by day. Basically it was a big joke. While they were bumping him back because someone with cash stepped forward. What kind of a program is that. What is that costing YOU in taxes. While he is seeing a judge once a week, getting called in for random blood test, etc? Times that by tens maybe hundreds of thousands of individuals. While the rich show up at there Betty Ford clinics and f*#k each other and get special treatment?
Dood, I am just saying that there is something fundamentally wrong here in America. I am not gonna get into some HUGE moral or spiritual debate/rant, but in my opinion it all began over half a century or more ago. There is a HUGE moral and spiritual void here in America. Just take a look at the 60's (my generation) ...! I turned 18 in 1968. In 1965 when i was a sophomore in HS, drugs where practically unheard of. The summer of love, HAHAHA, what a fuking joke!!!
This country, in 1963, took God out of the schools. It was not a major issue (school prayer etc)! For instance, myself, brother and two older sisters couldn't even recall ever praying in school. It was an option if one chose to do so. Any mention of God, the bible etc., became taboo. Fine, look what happened to the youth of America. That is a very brief synopsis. But, let me ask you this, IF there is a GOD and His name is JESUS CHRIST, what do you think He would do if America essentially said F*#K YOU to Him??? Well, look around and guess again.
It was/is a very slow/insideouse process. Look at pornography. Look where it is today compared to 1960/1965! If ya got a kid these days he/she is prollie addicted to porn. MSNBC did a report on it affiliated with various others and they stated that THE largest segment of society on internet porn sites is 1st and foremost the 10-17 y.o. age group. Kids are posting there own porn vids online.
I could go on and on, but what I am saying is this, it is MUCH deeper than you suggest. I am a staunch supporter of the criminal justice/prison system. I am NOT naive to the lack of desire among'st many drug users, thieves, whatever. In my opinion, we would be in DEEP sh#t if we cut back on it. BUT, there is something wrong with the other side of the coin. And i suspect that it is something VERY corrupt going on. Something is NOT right.
We listened to all their bullshit excuses for over three months, OH, NEXT WEEK FOR SURE! HE'S DOING JUST FINE FOR KNOW!! AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT ONE BLOODY THING MONEY!!11!!
In My Opinion. It is way to late for America. It has shipped its poison all over the world. We are seeing The last days of the USA ... MARK My Words!!
One other thing, I have not "Burned One" in over 25 years. I might joke about it. And, if it helps some cancer patient Kudos! And I do not drink. I haven't drank a damn thing in years, other than one bottle of beer I had Saturday night to toast Ian. And that was a spur of the moment thing. So, how and why do you come off judging me, I have no clue!
I have spent years on the streets reaching out to every type of individual. Primarily very young kids, run aways. Girls who wer working the streets of Holywood at 12-13 y.o! Teenage male and female prostitutes, runaways, and gang members. And the only thing that I saw turn anyone's life around was a Man by the name of Jesus Christ. But we did get many back home, if that was viable, regardless.
So, if your on some big SELF RIGHTEOUS campaign that condemns whomever, that's your trip. But don't go pointing YOUR finger at me telling ME I am ENABLING someone by suggesting that everyone should get ONE chance at rehab if they desire it AND qualify for it. Not everyone will or does or even (as you pointed out) wants it. BTW, did you watch that video I posted up thread? About the Boston drug addicts/crackheads. They obviously didn't want help.
I personally believe, what saved the one dood, the boxer who fought Sugar Ray Leonard in the vid, was him being sent to prison for 10-12 years. That was 1995. He is now out and living a clean life. His friend, the gal who overdosed, at the end of the video, would probably be alive today if they had locked her up a long time ago. I would guess, the majority of users out there don't want help. I don't know. I was simply saying, once again, there are people who do who have never got it.
I have gotten some of those people into programs, Christian programs! And they are alive and well today. I quit counting how many people i helped. I do recall 1200 was the last # I mentally recorded when I was keeping track. I quit because I didn't want it to be a #'s thing. I was not getting paid for it. I was using my own money and my own time. I quit counting at 1200, but there were WAY many more then that over the next 5-6 years.
Is that what YOU call/consider enabling???
You don't know SH#T about me, and I likewise about you! So, before you get judged, i would suggest you take the log out of your own eye, before you start picking the speck out of others eyes!
Sometimes a burned hand teaches best. That is true.
I hope that is the case with my nephew!
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:45am PT
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BTW, you asked I f I new how much it was costing medicare, etc. for these people? I only worked at that facility for about six months and that was twenty years ago. But, I am fully aware what it costs. I have worked for inpatiant and out-patiant facilities. State run hospitals, private facilities, HMO's and private docs/clinics! I bill and treat medicare patients on a daily basis. Of course I know.
I took my mother into her doctors office for an earache a while back and they looked at it and told her to buy some over the counter ear oil drops & do it herself at home over a week or so period to soften it up and resolve it on her own. We/she did and it worked out fine. That was it. No inpatient treatment or whatever. The bill came a month or so later, they charged medicare $250.00 to clean BOTH ears! What a crock!! THAT is where your "Hard earned money is going.
I know what I am instructed to charge for services. I don't work in nursing homes any longer except occasionally on weekends. I work outpatient workers comp!
The whole system F'n system is a BF joke, imo!!
I have seen maximum corruption in the medical field. It is horrendous what goes on at times! Pathetic!!
edit: BTW, I have an MS degree in occupational therapy (OTR/L)!!
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Bargainhunter
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:46am PT
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Um, Splitter, I was only using your name in the first post to reference your mention of working in nursing home. It applied only to the first sentence. The "you" I was referring many paragraphs later after my thread drift wasn't directed at you nor anyone. It was a rhetorical "you" to refer to us all in general (in the same way that a person uses the term "one"). We have all been in situations enjoying ourselves but perhaps unaware that an imbiber nearby might not be in control to the degree we assume. I think if you read back you'll see the miscommunication. If you prefer, I can delete your name from the begining of my post if you think others may feel that my rant was (incorrectly) directed to you. Apologies for the unintended miscommunication. I was glad that you shared your nursing home experience that I used as a segue into my post. Your compassion for your patients was apparent and the way you helped them with their ADLs back towards independence was noble indeed. I appreciate your perspective and sharing.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:38am PT
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Bargainhunter,
OH!
Sorry about that! Reading comprehension problems, I suppose.
My bad! Thanks for the clarification.
BTW, I'm as frustrated as anyone. I don't see a rosie picture for the US!
And I agree with much of what you said. You can't help someone who doesn't wnt or realize they need help.
And, like I said, corruption is rampant, imo! As far as legalization of weed. That will only bring more corruption. There is no easy answer. I believe, like I said, that "answer" was rejected by the Supreme Court back in 1963. So is life.
Another example is "medical marijuana" what a joke!! Not saying that there are people that it will help, probably are a lot. But 90% of the peeps that are buying it are simply pot-heads, I use to be one, so i can relate. And who knows, maybe I will do it again. But????...
They had this 25-26 year old guy on tht show about Beverly Hills and Malibu Million Dollar homes, and the realstate agents who sell them. This young guy (25-26) was looking for and bidding on this 27 million dollar lot in the Brentwood Hills area that overlooked LA! He said he wanted to build the Ultimate Party/Disco House. He was going to put a total of something like 75M into it. When they asked him what he did, he said he owned a medical marijuana dispensary in Hollywood! F'n unreal!
Perhaps he was laundering money, or owned other ones also. Or maybe he made all that money at the one dispensary. I dunno! But, something ain't right. Doctors selling prescriptions at $200.00 each to anyone with $200.00! And they see 4-5 people an hour minimum. 6-8K a day 30-40K a week! 2-3M a year or more. Its all about money. Always will be!
People getting their heads cut off with chains saws by the hundreds, etc, just across the border in Mexico just to feed the drug habits of millions of Americans. Sheeesh. So we shrug our shoulders and stick our heads in the sand. Frankly, like I already said, its to late for America!!!
Oh well, rant over!!
Sorry about the thread drift!!
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 21, 2012 - 06:19am PT
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Wow! Much food for thought on this thread. The taco at its best
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 21, 2012 - 11:26am PT
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as to legalizing drugs - I'm of a mixed mind. I should say, I don't use anything myself, not even drink. and I don't really like the vibe that intoxicants create. I also don't like it when people smoke pot in public when I'm down wind, and worse, when they smoke up in their next door apartment and I get to live with the seepage. I have a niece who has epileptic seizures when exposed to pot - and legalizing will obviously make it even more difficult for her. And I too think American society is going to hell generally - and drugs are a large part of that (perhaps more a symptom then a cause?). And I don't want the US to look like 19th century China where the whole country sort of shut down to smoke up (or so I hear?). BUT, at this point I find the gang problem, both in the US and in Mexico to be a far bigger problem. If pot is fully legalized then RJ Reynolds will get rich, but slowly rich, and the gangs (and most of my Mendo buddies) will be put out of business. Worthwhile trade-off I suppose. Then the question is still outstanding, cocaine? heroine? Crack... I mean some of this stuff really is addictive. I'm not sure free gov clinics is a good choice either.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 21, 2012 - 11:42am PT
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I'm sure many of you saw this program when it first ran on either the History Channel or Discovery Channel or one of its many reruns there or with one of the other channels that picked up the 'Gangland' programs. But if you haven't, watch it, or if ya have, maybe watch it again. What really struck me hard when I first watched it on TV was the segment titled "Hostage" that shows the 4 young men (American gang members [0r so it stated in a separate article] hired by one of the Mexican cartels to carry out a hit, but they got nabbed by the opposing cartel/chilling) being interrogated by the cartels. All four were subsequently shot, but it actually shows the kid on the far right, grimace as he is shot in the head. In the original tv show, you could here the blast and gasp ans it wasn't edited at the last fractions of second.
Evidently these four were informed that one of them was going to get his brains blown out after the interview/interrogation was completed. You here, "Your the one." just as an automatic pistol is placed to his temple. You can see the fear in their eyes prior to that.
I am glad this was scheduled on national television, but it has gotten MUCH worse sense it was first shown around 5-6 years ago. What annoys me about this particular show, is that it seems to put the blame on Mexico and the drug cartels & says nothing about the demand side of the coin (US drug habit). It is a two sided coin, BUT, demand is what drives supply! If there was NO demand, there would be no need for supply. So what created that demand. Well, it all began back in the 1960's (for the most part).
The whole vid is interesting, but the "Hostage" segment starts at 20:10 ...
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The point i'm making is this; America has BLOOD on its hands!
edit: the consumers are as GUILTY as the d00d who blew the guys brains out!!!
But, like i have suggested, it goes much deeper than that. It is the heart and soul of America that is lacking...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 21, 2012 - 11:45am PT
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It's not the consumer's fault that the Mexicans can't figure out a civilized way to divvy up their stuff.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 21, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
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The root of it all is the material body is the source of all misery.
The spiritual soul covered by the material body is a fish out of the water.
It will seek anything to counteract it's misery due to it's false identification to it's body.
All forms of intoxication's are pursued to counteract the pains.
One can only give up the lower forms of intoxication's, (anything associated with the material body), unless there is something higher.
The foolish stupid materialists all try and contact these facts which are under strict control by nature itself with nothing but band aid formulas conceived in their speculative theoretical minds.
They never get to the real root.
We are not a material entity but spiritual entities all in all.
Only thru bonfide spiritual consciousness can one ultimately be freed from the defects of birth, death, disease and old age that always follow the materially covered soul ......
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nov 21, 2012 - 01:46pm PT
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Matthew:
The Final Judgment
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Nov 21, 2012 - 02:14pm PT
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OT Marmot says, "GTFO out of his trailer!!!"
He also thinks this has gotten way Off-Topic. Even for an OT Post! :D
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 21, 2012 - 05:56pm PT
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up closeOkay, I must admit, major thread drift on my part.
SO, back on topic (or an attempt at it). i was thinking about getting a trailer. i always liked the freedom of the road. but, i might git myself arrested if i parked it in the 'wrong' neighborhood. best that i not keep any spare sh#t that i scavenged from peeps trashcans in them rich h00ds and get myself accused of breaking & entering their BMW's, eh? and, just for the hell of it, i might buy the dumpiest looking thing that still rolls and trick-out the inside but leave the outside looking like sh#t. then, every now and then, park it in some upscale h00d and push the eyesore thing as far as i can without getting arrested. get me a big dog that barks on command to keep'em all awake. and then split early in the morning leaving a huge trash bag full of empty Old E bottles and make sure the dog leaves a huge steamer in the middle of their lawn! ...
^^ now that's what i'm talkin'bout. trick-out the inside, and leave the outside as-is (just slap some wheels on it)! HA!
edit: seriously, i think i will be getting a trailer to tow behind my truck and take an extended vacation! ...
i cud be coming to a location near YOU!! where did ya say you lived, MrTropy? ;)
just kidding. to bad yer kids had to see/experience the seamy side of life.
but, perhaps it will give them cause/warning to never drift in that direction!
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