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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 19, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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See Ya!
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J.Haze
Sport climber
Ohio
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:04pm PT
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But don't let em leave...sell em to Mexico
Better yet wait until Mexico buy's Hostess and then trade Texas for the Twinkie back!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
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*Sigh* Yet another excuse for Ron to hate on the government.
Bro, this is the same government that has ruled and protected and provided for you and yours, for your whole life. George and Thomas and Benjamin might have envisioned something a little different. But, they couldn't see 230 years into the future.
Your cuz Davey C. certainly lived under a different government. It has to change and evolve out of necessity.
Stop hating the government and live in the present, or join up with Texas as they hit the bricks.
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Chewybacca
Trad climber
Montana, Whitefish
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:23pm PT
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Are these secessionists the REAL AMERICANS/TRUE PATRIOTS that I keep hearing about?
Screw the treasonous BASTARDS. ;-)
The new conservative mantra?
I pledge allegiance to the Disgruntled States of Teabagistan......
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:25pm PT
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Ron, simply referring me to a google search is not an explanation of your claim, particularly when it is as overblown as the one you make.
Nevertheless, I did google NDAA 2013, which mostly provided hits to sites complaining about the authority to have indefinite detentions, which has been an ongoing issue in connection with the so-called war on terror. I think that is a problem. However, I don't recall that being a concern of your's when Bush implemented those powers.
Any other examples, without punting?
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:39pm PT
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Actually there was more than one war of northern aggression.
But an over-powerful federal government is now a fait accompli.
Bottom line; we can't afford to lose any state where you can get away with shooting a lawyer in the face.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:54pm PT
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Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Ron I see no prudence whatsoever in these petitions at this time.
Yes our government is guilty of enacting laws that are evil. However they have not acted on these laws as the government of Britain did a few centuries ago.
Our government is flawed in some severe areas, such as the influence of special interests and their Billions of dollars yet we still retain certain critical rights which if exercised can fix the problem without revolution.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 03:56pm PT
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IT IS NOT PRUDENT TO HAVE A REVOLUTION
Especially if it will not be televised! - Gil Scott-Heron
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
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How full?
like 1% or like 20%?
is there a clear relation to toad licking and porn addiction?
My personal experience suggests not.
Your screen name suggests possible personal experience.. please elaborate
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:03pm PT
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It's all the result of Nixon's Southern Strategy in 1972 when the "solid South" changed from being solid (if Right Wing) Democrat to Republican, which contributed immensely to Nixon's land slide re-election. Naturally, the segregationist, military South hated the anti-war and civil rights movements of the 1960s and figured the Republicans would back the status quo more than the Democrats who had enacted Lyndon Johnson's Civil Rights Act in 1964. That's the same moment the "angry white male" emerged to make his presence felt on the national political scene and paved the way from the extremely reactionary Reagan first Presidency. Of course, standing behind the whole process was the Civil War, Reconstruction and the enactment of Jim Crow laws. Maybe Abe Lincoln and his generals should have just let the South leave the Union in 1861? Would have eliminated a lot of subsequent social problems. The Southern States might have actually asked to come back into the Union when the institution of slavery evaporated due to its economic inefficiency. Can't re-write history and 500,000 casualties between 1861 and 1865. And the USA is supposed to be a "special place" without any history? Ha! Ha! Ha!
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:10pm PT
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When the govt stockpiles millions of rounds of hollow point ammo and builds detention centers that set empty, THEN come up with a law like the NDAA 2013, i have to start wondering wtf is going on here. I haven't seen any evidence of either claim. One, our most notorious detention center, Gitmo, is not empty, though I don't see you evince any concerns for all the brown Muslim faces there. Two, even if your claim about hollow points is true, so what? Your right to bear arms does not guarantee you a right to a particularly vicious form of ammo.
Sorry, the sky is not falling.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:44pm PT
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Btw, thanks, survival, for calling me a sweetheart. :-)
Awwww, damn straight. I've never seen you as any other.
BTW Ron, none of us want to see our individual liberties infringed on. It's somehow a balance between everyone mooing up to the trough and everyone waving their own handgun around in anarchy.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:48pm PT
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REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANYONE ELSE AGREE?????????????
SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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FUK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EXACTLY WHICH PART DO YOU WANT ME TO REMEMBER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:49pm PT
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Fascinating discussion.
Ron, as usual, you are swimming against the tide. I suspect you would be happier in 1820 America. But then, I do question that just because you claim that Daniel Boone was in your family tree, you have the righteousness to pontificate.
Well, sonny boy, Josiah Bartlett , the second man to sign the Declaration of Independence and Mark Twain are in my family tree. Josiah was a doctor, Samuel Clemens a brilliant satirist and writer.
Daniel Boone was a murderer and adulterer. Killing native Americans at will. Reconcile that Ronnie.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:51pm PT
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UM?
JIM BOWIE!!!!!!!!
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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DAVIE CROCKET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KING OF THE WILD FRONTIER!!!!!!!!!!!
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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Hey Splitter, Jim Bowie, another psychopath he was. Remember the Alamo.
John Wayne, Richard Widmark and company.
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:53pm PT
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RIN TIN TIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: ^^^ OOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I THINK HE GOT KILT AT THE LITTLE BIG HORN??????????????
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splitter
Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
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Nov 19, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
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BOWIE KNIFE = TEXAS TOOTHPICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EDIT: OKAY! I'M DONE PLAYING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TIME FOR MY AFTERNOON NAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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