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phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Chinchen, I am waiting to see some kind of an announcement from the Access fund about if and how they intend to be involved in all of this before contributing anything. What has not been made clear is whether this indigogo fund is set up as a donation (to what?) or an escrow fund.

What I would prefer to see is an escrow fund earmarked to the reward, to be awarded to person or persons who provide information leading to arrest and conviction of individuals responsible. There would need to be some time limit set for holding the fund.

Personally I would like to see funds for the reward and funds for "preservation" de-linked. What is the plan for "preservation"? The indiegogo account page seems to be combining both these objectives (reward and preservation), which I personally think overcomplicates things.

Phyl
Jim Hefner

climber
La Verne, CA
Nov 23, 2012 - 01:35pm PT
I too am waiting to hear word from Access Fund before sending off my money.

Yup, escrow of some type.
Tax deductibility is best.
Restoration should be separate issue.
A year or two max. Then funds returned.

Busting these vile people a primary goal. Possible collective goodwill is just a bonus.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 23, 2012 - 02:54pm PT
Perhaps the money could be held as part of the reward offered for a reasonable period (six months?), and then if unclaimed, could go toward whatever restoration can be done.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
I WILL VOLUNTEER my expertise with faux rock to simulate or a restoration (if you will) of these art works IF this seems a good idea...

This just dawned on me- and im very good at simulating rock texture, color and grain. As a taxidermist, habitat is a major component, and ive been at that for forty three years.


All i would need is photo reference, the BLM and Tribal permissions. I will donate the labor and time and components..
I will send this to the BLM as well.
Ron Anderson,, 1/8 Choctaw.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:21pm PT
Good on you, Ron!
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:22pm PT
[...] the Access Fund is the perfect non-profit to help us collect the money.


I've been an Access Fund supporter for many years. A big part of my wardrobe is the T-shirts they send each year after I make a donation.

I am willing and ready to donate to charity that will help right this particular wrong, but I'm not sure the Access Fund should be the one to take this on. Although well-intentioned, this could open the door to "mission creep." Organizations are more effective when they are focused. The Access Fund should continue to focus on access.

I agree with Phylp's idea about an escrow slated for a specific purpose. If the Access fund does take this on, the money should not come from general funds.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
i WASNT ON THE INTERNET during bush years...
Nov 23, 2012 - 03:34pm PT
ive sent an email to the Bishop field office in regards to a restoration, including the local tribal members to do the actual designs!;-)

Who knows,, maybe this will fly..?


I explained who i was, what i can do- all at volunteer status- including footing the bill for the components and suggested they get with the Tribe to see if they want to do the actual designs into the mix while wet. I can recreate ANY texture of rock- in permanent waterproof materials that are "hard as rock"..;-)
Wildincognito

climber
Eastside
Nov 23, 2012 - 04:20pm PT
Yeah keep it up guys and we will have Hueco Tanks 2.0
Rob- I find that insulting, why not just use a 3-D printer and make exact reproductions of what was there! Come on.
This is the condition of these petroglyphs now and should be left as a reminder of how stupid and disrespectful people have become.
Chinchen

climber
Way out there....
Nov 23, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
The fund could not be set up without the Tax I.D. number I think. There will be an announcement after the holiday I was told.


Ron, while I appreciate your suggestions I do not think adding fake art would be acceptable. Restoration maybe....


"Hueco Tanks 2.0"........lol, yea right.


QITNL

climber
Dec 1, 2012 - 02:00am PT
http://www.blm.gov/ca/st/en/info/newsroom/2012/november/donation_fund_for.html

Donation Fund Established in Petroglyph Vandalism Case

The Eastern Sierra Interpretive Association is accepting donations following destruction of petroglyph panels at a major rock art site north of Bishop.

Donations can be mailed to the association at 190 E. Yaney St., Bishop, CA 93514. Those interested in donating also can call the association at (760) 873-2411 during normal business hours.

Donors should specify where they want to money to be used:
• Petroglyph vandalism reward fund;
• Interpretive opportunities (to show how the damage has affected the overall panel);
• Adopt a camera for continued site monitoring/surveillance;
• Fund archeological site stewardship training and volunteer opportunities.

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) Bishop Field Office and the Bishop Tribe are offering $2,000 in reward money, $1,000 each, for information leading to the arrest/conviction of the responsible individuals who damaged petroglyph panels at a major rock art site on the Volcanic Tableland north of Bishop. The perpetrators removed or damaged rock art at five locations within the site.

“The panels that were taken are irreplaceable,” said Bernadette Lovato, BLM Bishop Field Office manager. “Our top priority is to recover them intact.”

Greg Haverstock, Bishop Field Office Archaeologist, said “the damaged site was a pristine example of Great Basin rock art and hunter-gatherer domestic, religious and subsistence activities. The location of archaeological materials, feature remains, and the rock art clearly portray the activities that occurred at the site during the past 3,500 years.”

The site is protected under the Archaeological Resources Protection Act and is listed in the National Register of Historic Places. This site is one of the most significant rock art sites in the region and is still used by the local Paiute for ceremony.

Convictions on ARPA violations can result in fines and/or prison terms. In addition, ARPA provides for civil fines, either in conjunction with or independent of any criminal prosecution, and forfeiture of vehicles and equipment used in the violation of the statute.

Anyone with information can contact Melody Stehwien at (760) 937-0301, or Eric Keefer at (760) 937-0657, both in the BLM Bishop Field Office.

More info and you can donate via paypal here:
http://www.esia2012.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=182
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Dec 1, 2012 - 08:40am PT
Thanks qitnl.
Erik Vance

Trad climber
Berkeley, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 02:31pm PT
You know, it occurs to me that the a@#holes who did this have to sell them somewhere, right? If the local cops kept an eye on eBay and the like, they may spot the thieves. I'm sure they could recruit some local climbers to help out. Certainly I would.
melski

Trad climber
bytheriver
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:02pm PT
i think we,all agree,the laws of this land won't be enough for the deed,,reminds me alittle of luke stong,,look you in the eye and deny juging your lines ,stealing your bags off the wall,,stashing it in camp 4 under a tarp,,maybe these idiots arn;t much smarter,,dont hav;to look too far,,i amagin,
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:25pm PT
So when are the British going to return the so-called Elgin Mables that they sawed out of the Parthenon?
Peter Haan

Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
Dec 5, 2012 - 07:36pm PT
Randisi I agree and with a smile too; we do have sort of a crude parallel here !
JNB2

Mountain climber
oakland
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:04pm PT
I expect the thieves had the rocks sold before they cut them.
The BLM won't catch them, but spirits will torture them forever.
atchafalaya

Boulder climber
Dec 5, 2012 - 08:25pm PT
I suspect that if you continue to speculate as to where the petroglyphs went, we will be no closer to catching the vandals.
RIP Canon

Sport climber
Westfield, Ma.
Dec 7, 2012 - 12:19pm PT
The BLM is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the thieves. Damaging or removing the petroglyphs is a felony. First-time offenders can be imprisoned for up to one year and fined as much as $20,000, authorities said.

That's a laughable punishment. An insult to the nation - the real one.
phylp

Trad climber
Millbrae, CA
Dec 13, 2012 - 12:22pm PT
I finally had a chance to catch up with this - initially there was no paypal link but now it's very easy to donate with separate account buttons for each of the four objectives.

Phyl
rockermike

Trad climber
Berkeley
Dec 13, 2012 - 02:55pm PT
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