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Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 16, 2012 - 06:01pm PT
No doubt about it

doc bs

Social climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 06:07pm PT
Those are good numbers.

If are over 50, and you dont take cholesterol medicine, and you've never had a heart attack or stroke, and you dont have diabetes, then you probably dont need to check those ever again (at least not until you have a heart attack or stroke or get diabetes).


Trad climber
lost, far away from Poland
Nov 16, 2012 - 06:26pm PT
LDL = 85!

No, wait. I think it was my IQ. So confusing....

Sport climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
those numbers mean drink more!


Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 16, 2012 - 08:52pm PT
When you will die naturally is mostly determined by your genes.

So if you know your biological relatives, then I'd start with that rather than focusing on nonsense numbers.

Exercise outside, eat a wide variety of food, avoid stress, don't get fat, have lots of friends. Worry about those things.


Trad climber
da'Raven / Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
a genetic/famial condition.
Hey, tell me about it!!

You don't EVEN want to hear my stats/life chol. story.

When I was my first year of college and use to surf everyday (did a lot of swimming in big surf also since this was before goon-cords/leashes) my biology teacher use to have us take our vitals every time at the start of class. My average resting heartbeat was 48 bpm. She asked me if I was a marathon runner, lol!

So, I always thought i was in tip-top shape. But, when I was 29 and still very active, I had my first cholesterol fasting blood test. The Doc freaked! His exact words, "If you don't do something about your cholesterol your gonna be dead in 2-3 years! WTF!!!

So I went on a diet. No meat, dairy product, etc! Figured i was good to go. Fast forward to about 10 years later. I get my 2nd chol test. Exact same response from the Doc! WTF!!!

At that point I was in the best shape of my life. I was riding my road bike 50+ miles 3 x week! Climbing, aerobics, running, etc! I couldn't believe it. I just wrote it off as a fluke. He said if it didn't change after one month of a strict diet and exc. that he put me on that he was going to put me on cholesterol meds! I was already on a similar diet, etc, but he insisted, and as it worked out, I never went back in.

Fast forward to 1999 (10 years later). Major heart attack, surgery, etc! It turned out that I have extremely high triglycerides ... like 1700-1800!!!

So they put me on this drug Tricor! It did the trick (you take it in combination with another cholesterol drug/lipitor) anyway, everything was fine for about 2 years ... until I became deathly ill and get diagnosed as having a terminal illness/peripheral nerve disease by Kaisers top docs! GREAT. A WICKED illness (i have already talked about it here on ST). Lose everything I had (A LOT). House worth well over 500K, bank account/savings of nearly 200K, job, etc. (I'm an OTR and was making 100K+ a year) and what I didn't lose/spend i gave away CUZ i was F'n dying!

Well, as you prolie already know because I have already sprayed about it multiple times here on ST, I left Kaiser bcuz I could no longer afford the $1500.00 a month it was costing me for meds & services, etc! And got this lady doc & after a year of her persistent probing into my sickness found out it was a toxic and would have eventually been fatal reaction to the damn Tricor/cholesterol meds. F'n TERRIFIC! pLUS THAT IS THE ONLY MED THAT WILL LOWER MY TRIGYCERIDES. SHEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

Long story short (well kinda late for that ^^^, lol) I am now back (for the last 4 years) with a Triglyceride level thats going through the roof (averages 1600-1800). They say its gonna be sayonara before too long. WUDEVAH!!!

BTW, after my surgery, I was put into a special group for follow-up. There were 7 of us. My doc did not pull any punches. He informed us just before he left, after giving us a strict diet and exercise program to follow, with this statement, "By the way, three (3) of you will not be returning here to our next meeting!" And then he turns and walks away. YIKES!

We new exactly what he was telling us, because he had just told us all how important it was to NOT miss our next meeting with him (one month later). The nurse practioner took over after he left, and I noticed that NO ONE made eye contact with anyone else after he left. There was only seven (7) of us and only four (4) were gonna live to see the next meeting one (1) month away. Sheeeesh!

Well, sure enough, only four of us were at that next meeting! I recall the youngest of us, a 42 year old dood, was one of the ones who didn't make it. We all had the same genetic blood condition. So is life, eh?

Six months later, at my last personal meeting with my cardiologist/surgeon, after he left, the nurse practioner told me that he was VERY happy with my progress so far, and that I was one of the three (3) that he did not expect to return. In fact, she said that I was at the top of the list!

What a long, strange trip my life has been!!!

Social climber
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
Something else to read...

no matter what we do we are run by genetics, diet, and lifestyle. So live your life and remember... do everything in moderation.

Bottom line ...we're all gonna die!

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 16, 2012 - 10:39pm PT
My triglycerides tend to run high if I don't get enough exercise.

Although my cholesterol levels remain low, my triglycerides went high in mid winter.

Summer and Fall, I do long runs, walks, or cycling and mountaineering/climbing perhaps three times a month... usually keeping triglycerides under 130.

Unfortunately, Idaho winters and not getting out enough to ski or run and my levels have gone over 300.

Best wishes for everyone's good health...
Tony Bird

Northridge, CA
Nov 17, 2012 - 11:15am PT
you're also a babe, lolli. babes generally live 10 years longer than dudes. there's probably a reason for that, which i don't think has been well thought-out yet.

french, spider
Nov 17, 2012 - 11:18am PT
Hi. So how are you today Dingus?

Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 17, 2012 - 11:36am PT
Smashing, actually. I was out too late last night, or not late enough maybe. Anyway, bit of a 'head' on this morning, sipping some English tea with milk in it for krystsake! Maybe I should pop an aspirin or something. Nothing crippling mind you, just a bit of a frown.

Weather is here - on the Pacific coast of America the winter storms come in like big waves. This is the first real winter storm we've had in my opinion. Steady rain, snow in the mountains but with high snow levels, around 7000 feet. This is a 'warm storm' and its in the mid-50s here and was so over night.

Gonna grab my girls today and go... I know, we'll do something fabulous - I'll take them shoe shopping. I promised Kate a pair of boots and it finally feels like fall here.

As soon as the storm passes, though?

Fog. Its coming back. It fills me with the same dread and for the same reason, as a late night middle seat red eye flight in the cheap seats in the back of some chicken wire airline.

I dread the fog. Everything is gray and a pervasive cold seeps into every layer of clothing.

I'd go find the sun today if I could but there won't be no sun today. So I might as well earn daughter points. Hah!

Is this what you had in mind Borut?

How are you, may I ask?


french, spider
Nov 17, 2012 - 12:18pm PT
hey i had that in mind and you really brightened me there. It's now dark here in LJ.

I hope those boots are made for walkin, and that's what they are gonna do
doom doom doom doom (walking bass).

well ya i guess i jes wanned to talk about myself a bit: this morning we went tooling again. I didn't send anything, but worked (TR) a new D6 line. That's the third 6 I'm on, and I must say that this 6th grade is quite extended. In this case, you really got to get those upside-down tool positions straight, on horizontal cracks, for instance when it comes to seriously lying back the moves on the traverse. But what's cool at this crag is that you mainly drop off far away enough from the rock.
-first time mono-pointing today (brand new lynxes!), but still using the quarks and the ol' nepal Xtreme.

even copied this from an other post I just wrote

Have a great day!


Seriously, I heard that cholesterol needs to be checked out over a longer period of time. Myself just try to forget about what I shouldn't eat and concentrate on what I should eat.

french, spider
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:52am PT
Sorry DMT. What I heard about cholesterol is wrong. Or I mixed something up.

All the best!


Trad climber
Nov 19, 2012 - 05:35pm PT
There are two types of LDL - one is called "fluffy" LDL, and one is "dense" LDL. If these terms are starting to make about as much sense as "Dark India Pale Ale," then you are paying attention.

Anyway, there is more research to come in this area. As others have pointed out, some things (like real heart attack numbers) are not always jiving with these cholesterol numbers. The fluffy LDL may in fact not be bad at all for you, and instead be good. Yet if you have high amounts of this, it will look like you're ready for CPR.

My LDLs are crazy high. But my triglydes are 50. Go figure. Time to have a DIPA.

Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
Fluffy? That is one I hadn't heard of, except below.

Apparently the history of science is not mankind's brother, just science.


Dec 10, 2012 - 09:16pm PT
Dr Gregor (; talks about cholesterol at 3 minutes about how most heart attack patients fell within the recommended levels.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:41pm PT
Don't have references handy for this quick response, but the number that is the most predictive of heart disease is the total chol/HDL ratio.

You want to be under 5.
Optimal is under 3.5

Yours: 2.24

An HDL that high is very high and very good. It is unusual.

The other "factor" is the pure LDL, which should be under 100 (above consider treatment), which yours is.

As others have said, it is more complicated that just that.

Genetics are the most important thing, and we have no way to measure that.

It is an emerging area.


Ice climber
chingadero de chula vista
Dec 10, 2012 - 10:56pm PT
my HDL is always up in the 70's, but my cardiologist acquaintence doesn't think the ratio is as important as it used to be.
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