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scuffy b

climber
heading slowly NNW
Nov 16, 2012 - 07:35pm PT
Hey, when I was little, Wonder Bread built strong bodies 8 ways.
A little later, it built strong bodies 12 ways. What happened?
ec

climber
ca
Nov 17, 2012 - 12:42pm PT
'Going for a premium on eBay, one example:

http://iphone.ebay.com/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?aid=230882672696&emvAD=1024x718&sv=Twinkie&emvcc=0&nbcol=0%7Cnull

Majid_S

Mountain climber
Bay Area , California
Nov 17, 2012 - 01:12pm PT
Another hardcore lesson for mobs and union workers not to ask for unreasonable demands when economy is collapsing.

Now 18000 more added to list of gov paycheck
Silver

Gym climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 01:20pm PT
Screw the Twinkie

I want my HoHo.

I'm of the opinion if you are a union worker you don't work on non union jobs just like us non union guys don't get to work on union jobs.

The day I join a union will go down as one of the most desperate days of my life I don't ever see being that desperate. Plus I feel I should actually work an 8 hour day instead of two breaks a lunch and a bunch of ball cupping union hugging bullshit all day.

Here's a little story about union guy on city center in Vegas.

A union sparky was bragging to us how their contract was basically they had to make up 8 electrical boxes a day. That's it 8 a day and if you got em done in two hours you got a check for a full day because you met the requirement.

That's right your tax dollar bailed those projects out after the unions milked them dry.
Send Harry Ried a thank you note for bailing them out and getting all their votes in return.
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 17, 2012 - 02:01pm PT
Silver, There are two sides and more, to every story, the world is not just black & white..it's shades of grey.
This is not the first time Hostess is filing for bankruptcy ... perhaps there were many reasons... > the company was poorly run, changes in the americans food habits & tastes, competition + Greed on the companies part ..


My father was a Hard working union man....life long Democrat, gun owner, hunter, man of faith, honest, loyal family man who was proud of his country and served in WWII. The union helped provide him with many opportunities that he may have never been able to achieve... he did pretty good for having been a ward of the courts as a 3 year old, put in many foster homes, and having a terrible childhood.

I have been in a union job only only once in my life , and it was the best decision i've ever made. Many good changes came my way. Health insurance and safety issues were front and center.

and no.. i'm not saying unions are perfect.... but.. i bet it was not the union that killed Hostess.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:27pm PT
Im not going to get into the union thing here because you either believe Unions are great or you are against unions.

What kind of horseshit is that?

You're too f*#king dumb. Godspeed, black and white dumbass.
ladyscarlett

Trad climber
SF Bay Area, California
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
well...

This is going to make Die Hard SO MUCH more nostalgic for me now...

there goes my plans for deep fried twinkies!

LS
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:46pm PT
Unions are the only hope of beating the power bent on slavery.

If you think that governemnt is the only power to be wary of you miss the point

power corrupts.

For every example of a crappy union practice i can give you orders of magnitude worse corruption perpetrated by corporations.


Organize or be enslaved.

Either that or be very smart and go alpine style.


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:02pm PT
So the 18,000 people that used to have jobs with Hostess were just given their freedom?

Good for them.
Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Nov 17, 2012 - 04:35pm PT
So Brandon since I am not intelligent, why don't you tell us about your viewpoint on unions. Thanks for the laugh.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Nov 17, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
OK, I admit, you anti-union guys are right. Those union goons made me work for more money. They made me take vacations. They even made me get paid more for working overtime. I had health insurance! And the boss couldn't fire me just because he was having a bad day, can you imagine? And what's worse, they made me take a pension so I won't live on cat food and the public dole when I retire.

What a bunch of ass wipes!
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2012 - 06:03pm PT
Richard Slept on the Job

We called Richard C. the eight-hour loaf.
He was my friend but he was an oaf.

Come into work, he's on his toes.
Once he sat down he seldom rose.

He was never there when you kneaded him.
The boss did not feel that he needed him.

Boss was experienced when it came to "coast."
He saw through poor Richard and he was soon "toast."
--Mouse
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 17, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
Contrary to popular opinion, the problem is often not in production or with the unions, or the Mitt Romneys of the world. When companies allow themselves out-of-proportion growth in the administration and management segments...they paradoxically become less manageable.

A top heavy organization propagates too many reporting layers with an unyielding bureaucracy and plethora of contending penpushers uncommitted to the best interests of the business.

Delta has 119 employees per airplane. Southwest Airlines manages with only 69 employees per plane...guess which announces higher profits and revenue growth?

Where are the extra 50 Delta employees? Unlikely you'll find them behind the ticket counter or at the gate. Likely most sit behind computers in administrative offices.

(...fingers crossed I won't offend any administrators reading ST forum from their company computer!)
Silver

Gym climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 08:16pm PT
What union were you in Gary what years?

I'm speaking from a construction point of view not some auto works view state employee view straight up construction. By far the laziest bunch of slacks I ever did see. In fact if you work hard they try to get rid of you as not to make the rest look bad.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 17, 2012 - 08:22pm PT
Credit: mouse from merced
Define "Twinkie."

Really, they are too young.

"We just wanna ice your Ding Dongs."--the wait staff
Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:14pm PT
The Baker's Union rejected a contract cutting wages and benefits by 27-32 percent. over five years ...and they've made other concessions in recent years.

Despite Hostess claims that labor must make major concessions for the company to survive,Hostess’ CEO got a 300 percent raise, from $750,000 to $2,250,000. Other top executives have also gotten raises of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Hostess has had six CEO’s in 8 years, none of whom had any experience in the bread or cake baking industry. The present CEO has been called, by Forbes, a "liquidation specialist"

Do the Wall Street investors that own Hostess have a real interest in the company succeeding?


Or are we witnessing Bain-style vultures make themselves rich while wrecking a major employer? 18,500 jobs could be lost in the process of this liquidation. The CEO and executives who gave themselves raises, and the Wall Street investors, will emerge just fine...while blaming everything on the unions!
Ricky D

Trad climber
Sierra Westside
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
"Let them eat cake".






"Oops - can't do that - the bakery is closed".
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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Jennie, that's pretty much what have been reading...plus this

"Corporate greed at Hostess is destroying the iconic company." . Hal, Teamsters General Secretary-Treasurerl, blasted executives for looting Hostess while workers sacrifice, giving up $240 million in concessions and proposing another $1 billion more to save the company.

..
somebody is going to make a ton of money and it's not the Hostess work force...



Snowmassguy

Trad climber
Calirado
Nov 18, 2012 - 12:00am PT
Credit: Snowmassguy
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 18, 2012 - 12:53am PT
"So the 18,000 people that used to have jobs with Hostess were just given their freedom?

Good for them."


Indeed. This is a product that is the epitome of uber-manufactured scary-'food'.

The only reason to lament it's loss is for the ideologically-narrow-minded to point the finger at Unions.

It's going away for good, and our society will be all the better for it.
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