Do you get the flu vaccine every year?


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Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 01:55pm PT
1918 flu deaths...
My mother lost seven (7) young brothers & sister during that outbreak. She wasn't born yet (was born later) but she had pictures of them, which she would occasionally bring out to look at, all her life. It was obvious that she mourned deeply for them.

Nov 15, 2012 - 02:02pm PT
Caveman, Ken likes to show what a professional he is and how uneducated the masses are so much that his reading comprehension is sometimes overwhelmed.

Boulder, CO
Nov 15, 2012 - 02:02pm PT

what werner said

Trad climber
Lander, WY
Nov 15, 2012 - 02:12pm PT
Healyj: didn't go to the respiratory distress thing. I decided I should go see a doc when I couldn't feel my feet anymore and started having a lot of trouble walking. Before that, I thought my climbing shoes were just too tight. Oh boy. Fortunately there was a good neurologist here who knew right off what it was and put me in ICU in case I did crump. Seems like they constantly did ABGs and Respiratory capacity tests but it didn't go that far.

He got ahold of five vials of highly purified human IgG that was used by the military to vaccinate their people for HepA. It was so highly purified that there was zilch chance of transmitting HIV. By a competitive inhibition chemistry thing, the high concentrations of IV IgG given over five days knocked the IgMs off the protein sites of the long neuron myeline sheaths, stopping the complement cascade from further eroding the sheaths (which had caused the lack of neuron transmission, causing the paralysis) and allowed the sheaths to heal. The IgMs were gobbled up by phagocytes and eliminated from the system.

It's an interesting immune phenomenon, one theory being that some people are genetically inclined for this--they have this unique protein on their myeline sheaths that attracts these IgMs produced in the initial immune response to the vaccine. Another theory involves allergy to the denatured egg proteins produced in the purification of the vaccine after growing in eggs.

And, another theory is based on the observation that people who have had a Campylobacter jejeunii diarrea have a 20% chance of developing Guillan-Barre post-infection. C. jejunii is a real problem in mass egg producing operations as chickens are very prone to this disease. The bacteria can cross the egg shell and lodge in the egg protein. I had my vaccine in 1997 (I think) which was a year when something like 15-25% of people vaccinated contracted Guillan-Barre. In the last two years there has been some discussion revolving around the fact that the quality control on the chicken eggs used to grow the virus wasn't very good and that a lot of the eggs were infected with C. jejeunii. There were problems in the egg manufacturing sector at that time with C. Jejeunii infections in the chickens. Unfortunatley there isn't any vaccine left from that year to test for the presence of C. jejeunii antigen, so it's just an interesting theory.

Anyway, there weren't any residual effects in me at least. But, I attribute that to the fact that I was in very good physical shape. One other person here in town contracted GB at that time after a flu vaccine and after quite a struggle, she came back, but with a lingering numbness in her toes and soles of her feet. She's always been quite overweight.

I'm a med lab technologist so I'm not some layman about this stuff. I feel quite strongly that anyone who trusts what pharmacutical companies say about the 'wonders' they produce is rather foolish and naive. There are some pretty amazing things they can do...look at antibiotics and some other meds. But they're not in it for charity. It's about $$ and if you don't get that and stay highly circumspect about these things, you're going be in a lot of trouble.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 4, 2012 - 01:06pm PT
Dec 3, 6:03 PM (ET)


NEW YORK (AP) - Flu season in the U.S. is off to its earliest start in nearly a decade - and it could be a bad one.

Health officials on Monday said suspected flu cases have jumped in five Southern states, and the primary strain circulating tends to make people sicker than other types. It is particularly hard on the elderly.

"It looks like it's shaping up to be a bad flu season, but only time will tell," said Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The good news is that the nation seems fairly well prepared, Frieden said. More than a third of Americans have been vaccinated, and the vaccine formulated for this year is well-matched to the strains of the virus seen so far, CDC officials said.

Higher-than-normal reports of flu have come in from Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas. An uptick like this usually doesn't happen until after Christmas. Flu-related hospitalizations are also rising earlier than usual, and there have already been two deaths in children.

Hospitals and urgent care centers in northern Alabama have been bustling. "Fortunately, the cases have been relatively mild," said Dr. Henry Wang, an emergency medicine physician at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Parts of Georgia have seen a boom in traffic, too. It's not clear why the flu is showing up so early, or how long it will stay.

"My advice is: Get the vaccine now," said Dr. James Steinberg, an Emory University infectious diseases specialist in Atlanta.

The last time a conventional flu season started this early was the winter of 2003-04, which proved to be one of the most lethal seasons in the past 35 years, with more than 48,000 deaths. The dominant type of flu back then was the same one seen this year.

One key difference between then and now: In 2003-04, the vaccine was poorly matched to the predominant flu strain. Also, there's more vaccine now, and vaccination rates have risen for the general public and for key groups such as pregnant women and health care workers.

An estimated 112 million Americans have been vaccinated so far, the CDC said. Flu vaccinations are recommended for everyone 6 months or older.

On average, about 24,000 Americans die each flu season, according to the CDC.

Flu usually peaks in midwinter. Symptoms can include fever, cough, runny nose, head and body aches and fatigue. Some people also suffer vomiting and diarrhea, and some develop pneumonia or other severe complications.

A strain of swine flu that hit in 2009 caused a wave of cases in the spring and then again in the early fall. But that was considered a unique type of flu, distinct from the conventional strains that circulate every year.


Trad climber
AKA Dwain, from Apple Valley, Ca. and Vegas!
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:11pm PT
I very seldom get the flu.
The only time I've gotten the Flu was when I went in to get a flu shot.

Go figure
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:50pm PT
Getting older, you should also get your pneumonia shot too ;).

Trad climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 02:51pm PT
Yes every year. It's your life you could be risking. How many of you people against the shot actually have any medical experience relevant to the subject.
C.A.T., R.N., and B.S.N..
Flame away.....

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:00pm PT
I love SuperTopo cause I always know I can rely on information supplied by
people waay smarter than those stoopid and evil epidemiologists all over
the world. Can you imagine spending your entire life working at such a
useless and downright nefarious job?

Flu season hits U.S. early and hard

By Michael Muskal

December 3, 2012, 1:58 p.m.
The flu season has gotten off to its quickest start in nearly a decade, a sign that it could be a bad year for the illness, officials said on Monday.

Dr. Thomas Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, urged people to get a flu shot to minimize the impact of the deadly disease’s spread. Speaking to publicize National Influenza Vaccination Week, Frieden said a flu shot was the best tool available to stop the spread of the disease, along with covering your mouth when coughing and washing your hands.

“This is the earliest regular flu season we’ve seen in nearly a decade,” Frieden said in a conference call with reporters. “That suggests this could be a bad flu year.”

The flu is caused by different strains and part of the test for scientists is trying to mix a vaccine that includes the strains that are most likely to be dominant in any given season. The current vaccine, which has been prepared in advance, seems well-matched for the strains that now working their way through the population, Frieden said.

Based on early testing, Frieden said that the number of suspected flu cases has jumped in five Southern states: Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee and Texas. The dominant flu type is the same as the one associated with the flu season of 2003-2004, when the outbreak was bad, he said.

The CDC recommends a yearly flu vaccine for everyone 6 months of age and older. It usually takes about two weeks for the body's immune response to fully kick in.

Especially at risk are very young children, particularly those younger than 2, and people older than 65. People with chronic conditions such as asthma and heart disease are also at risk.

With the holiday season in mind, Frieden urged people be careful.

“Spread good cheer and give presents,” he said. But “don’t share infections and spread the flu.”

LA Times - Early Flu Season

Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:36pm PT
Immunizations are the most significant innovation in history.

together with anti-biotics...
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 4, 2012 - 03:40pm PT
1. Clean water.
2. Sewage and garbage disposal.
3. Immunizations.
4. Sound basic health care and nutrition for pregnant women, infants, and small children.
5. Nutrition.
6. Basic health and dental care.

Together, they account for most increases in life expectancy and quality of health over the last two centuries. High tech modern medicine has contributed relatively little. (I bet Ken M can add to this.)

Topic Author's Reply - Dec 4, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
High tech modern medicine has contributed relatively little

Unless it was your life it saved! Or your kids! 6 month waits for ACL surgery can have a dramatic impact ones QL.

Point taken. Plumbers are the most important people in the world.

3 rules of plumbing
1)don't lick your fingers
2)sh*t rolls down hill
3)pay day is on Friday

Good luck getting a flu shot in Canada....They ration that shi0t.

Trad climber
Dec 4, 2012 - 05:53pm PT
Holy Sh#t locker just agreed with me?
My life has come full circle now!
Mighty Hiker

Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 4, 2012 - 05:59pm PT
Flu shots in B.C., at least, are free for anyone who's at higher risk, e.g. seniors, health care and essential services workers, children, those who are sick or have compromised immune systems, those in hospitals. Those between 16 and 65, in good health, and without any pretext may have to pay, but even then the shots are easily available. You can even get them at the supermarket drug department.

And, as someone who is alive due to high tech medicine, I agree that it is of benefit. Just that in terms of public health, less important than some might think.
The Lisa

Trad climber
Da Bronx, NY
Dec 4, 2012 - 10:43pm PT
Maybe if you are at high risk, then yes, take it. I might have had the flu a few times as a kid but I am otherwise rarely sick. Maybe some sniffles twice a year. Therefore I am not going to be vaccinated.
I know some employees who work for a hospital. They never work directly with patients or even visitors yet they are forced to get the flu shot. Now they get a mild dose of the flu every year. If it ain't broke.....
I do however still bear the scars of TB and smallpox vaccines I received as a child in Ireland.

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:03pm PT
I generally get it every year. Didn't about 8 years ago, got the flu, and really thought I was going to die. I have been in awe ever since of elderly folks who survive it (I know many do not).

I take public transportation to work in a university. I cross paths with germs on buses (those poles every one grabs -ick [well except those who hang on with their butt cheeks - what's up with that???]), then mingle with germs on faculty of all ages, and germs on students, many of whom have little germ factories in their lives. And since we rotate classrooms all day, I get to be in classrooms used by countless other germ factories. Ew.

No way I'm going out into the world without the shot.

I have not been teaching this semester and this thread cues me that I've not gotten the shot this year! Egads - I'm off to get it TOMORROW.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Sneaking up behind you
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:08pm PT
I just get the flu, and let my immune system do the walkin'.
The user formerly known as stzzo

Sneaking up behind you
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:15pm PT
All the meat eaters get the flu because of all the antibiotics in the meat which lowers their immune system.

Eating tons of dead sh!t full of dumb drugs is sure way to fuk yourself up.

Then they need to fix that with another bunch of stoopid drugs.

Dude is so right!

Eat the meat raised without drugs, for sure. Yum!

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Dec 4, 2012 - 11:33pm PT
I used to get the flu- pretty much every other year.. On three occasions.. i've had the flu so bad- thought i was going to more...

I got my shot yesterday, which is about three weeks later than usual.....crossing my fingers and extra hand washing for the next two weeks...

Btw, i just got Timid to go get a flu shot .. he's there right now..
Jebus H Bomz

Reno, Nuh VAAAA duh
Dec 5, 2012 - 01:17am PT
It's just asinine to refuse the flu vaccine. I don't know if it's ignorance, a veiled fear of needles, obstinance, or what.... Just stay away from those with weakened or immature immune systems, wash your hands, cough into your sleeves, and stay away from crowds where you might contract and spread the flu. Like, in your bomb shelter or what have you. Please, sign a DNR and refuse blood products while you're at it. Right after you've sterilized yourself.
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