Do you get the flu vaccine every year?

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Ed Hartouni

Trad climber
Livermore, CA
Jan 11, 2014 - 02:42am PT
got it months ago...
Jan

Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
Jan 11, 2014 - 05:37am PT
Me too.
anita514

Gym climber
Great White North
Jan 11, 2014 - 09:43am PT
I've never had a flu shot, and I've never had the flu
watch that all change now that I wrote this ^
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jan 11, 2014 - 10:50am PT

I took the flu shot a couple of months back and this is the first time in years that I haven't gotten deathly ill by this time of year...

There's still time of course...

But I'm thinking it has made the difference...

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 13, 2014 - 02:15am PT
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/texas-mother-dies-flu-age-29-report-article-1.1571118

Texas mother dies of flu at age 29, was otherwise healthy: report


Alice Jones had no previous history of respiratory illness, her husband told ABC News. But the mother of three died in the hospital after a four-day bout with influenza.


dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2014 - 11:03am PT
I've heard local news reports of people dying from the flu. Often they had no serious medical conditions and were fairly young (30s and 40s) when they died.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2014 - 11:17am PT
Yes, Dirt, it does hit those under 50 harder although that may be because
they think they've only a cold and wait longer than they should before
presenting. Three otherwise young and healthy adults have died in the last
few weeks just at my wife's hospital. (Well, it isn't her hospital.)

The saddest part is the high number of her preggers patients who decline the
flu vaccine even after an exhaustive explanation of its safety and the risk
to their baby, especially if they die. But when you're 16 you think you will
live forever.
DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
Thought I would throw my info out there.

I work in science (Trained in Engineering M.S. & Geology), so I know how to read and understand white papers. A portion of my family works in healthcare: Grandfather was MD, Aunt and GF are Nurses, I am taking classes working towards maybe eventually going to medical school.

I haven't been vaccinated since 1984, due to families beliefs and my own lack of understanding. By lack of understanding I mean, once I reached the age of consent, I don't feel like I have seen enough data to support the use of vaccines except in the most dire circumstances. To me the issue of vaccines is similar to the issue of nutrition i.e. we understand the basics, but we don't understand all the implications of the basics. This is evidenced by the polar views on various diets.

The majority of studies I have read supporting vaccines either have conflicting interests, or data that doesn't always match what the conclusion of the paper is. The research that supports the harm caused by vaccines is sparse, but mostly sound from my reading.

I am not saying I don't think vaccines are a good idea, I am just saying that I don't think due process is complete.

My Story: Vaccinated last in 1984, I get sick about one time a year, sometimes more, sometimes less. I haven't been sick in the last 13 months, but was sick twice in the last 25. I have traveled extensively in the third world, spending weeks and months at a time in the jungles of Asia/South America. I always eat the local food and enjoy trying out the local hang outs. In 2000, I came back from Thailand looking like I had the measles from all the mosquito bites I had from sleeping outside in the jungle, and I admit I was mildly worried I might contract something, but never did. From my observations, I get sick much less than most of the people I associate with.


Again, I am not anti-vaccine, I have just chosen not to have any myself until I feel that I have a more thorough depth of understanding surrounding the research.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:28pm PT


Well since you're using family and friends as part of your expertise I'll join the fray and play along...


I worked in the medical field at the lower end but have done some studying (EMT)...

My Father was an MD that owned and operated the most modern and largest medical facility in Palm Beach County when I was a kid...

My Mother is an RN and worked along with my father...

I have many relatives and friends working in the medical field...


The VAST MAJORITY of them are SUPPORTIVE of taking the FLU SHOT...



That's my bit...

LOL!!!...




DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
I worked in the medical field at the lower end but have done some studying (EMT)...

Being a WFR now, and wanting to take my EMT, I know I will have to get vaccinated at that point. I know it is a requirement. I also know that I am going to have to at least lean more towards one side or the other once I have kids. I just don't feel like I have seen enough research yet.

P.S. Not claiming to be expert.
Aya K

Trad climber
Boulder, CO!
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
I'm a doctor. Vaccinations work.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:44pm PT


Aya NAILS it!!!...






"P.S. Not claiming to be expert."...

I know man!!!...

I was JUST fuking around...(But it is also all true what I wrote)



and I'm NOT either!!!... (EDITED: But AYA is!!! ;-)

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 13, 2014 - 12:48pm PT
Not claiming to be expert.

Yeah, we get that. Do you also dismiss global warming? Yeah, we also get
that some 'science types' dismiss that, also. Well, as with global warming
the VAST MAJORITY of actual experts agree that the flu vaccine is nearly
completely safe and effective enough to warrant its usage. But maybe you
should take a statistics course to read up further in lieu of believing those
so-called 'experts' at the Center For Disease Control or the Jonas Salk Institute.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 13, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Ken M is also a doctor and a vocal proponent of getting vaccines.
TrackerTodd

Mountain climber
CA
Jan 13, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
I get it every year, to protect myself and not to transfer the flu to others.
Seamstress

Trad climber
Yacolt, WA
Jan 13, 2014 - 02:14pm PT
Do you have kids? Do they go to school or a daycare? They will be exposed to the flu. Better get the vaccine than get the disease.

Do you work in a healthcare field where you will be exposed? Do you work in a large company/institution where people will have the flu? You should get the vaccine, especially if you have kids or elderly people in your household. You do not want to carry this disease back to those most vulnerable.

My daughter is an asthmatic. I am an EMT. I almost never get sick. Once she had asthma, I started to get the shot to protect her. This was the same timeframe as when I first became an EMT. Once I no longer have to consider, and if I no longer transport ill people, I may reconsider.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Jan 13, 2014 - 02:28pm PT
This thread reminded me -- prob go out and get one today.
But looking at the effectiveness of the flu shot has been a little disappointing--something like 50%.
That's a lot better than nothing, but maybe not as good as some of us may expect--the providers of flu shots don't really advertise that number.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jan 13, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
"But looking at the effectiveness of the flu shot has been a little disappointing--something like 50%."...




Does that 50% represent people not getting it...

or 50% of the people didn't get it and some might have but were less symptomatic or some combination???...


Taking the flu shot is no guarantee to not getting it...

some do...

some don't...

and of those that do, having taken it sometimes helps lesson the symptoms...

sometimes not...


???...



Can be confusing...

bergbryce

Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Jan 13, 2014 - 03:02pm PT
Flu rates up here are very high and make last year look like a cakewalk.

The people dying in the Northern Cal hospitals are being killed by H1N1 which was in this years vaccine. Getting vaccinated doesn't mean you'll not get sick, but it can certainly help.


“This year, the flu is affecting people who are seemingly normal,” said Dr. David Herbert, the chief of infectious diseases at Kaiser Permanente in Sacramento. “They’re not old. They’re middle aged. They don’t have chronic health problems.”

Herbert, who leads Kaiser’s intensive care unit on Morse Avenue in Sacramento, is urging people to get the flu vaccine. He said this hospital alone currently has several people on life support either from pneumonia or the flu. And none of those had received the flu vaccine before becoming ill, he said.

Read more: http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news/news-sacramento/norcal-flu-deaths-increase-some-on-life-support-and-in-intensive-care/-/12969376/23839720/-/foqnj5z/-/index.html#ixzz2qJKCYMpy

Don't get it? Darwin wins, but Darwin wins slowly over time.
DesertRatExpeditions

Trad climber
Flagstaff, Arizona
Jan 13, 2014 - 03:13pm PT
Yeah, we get that. Do you also dismiss global warming? Yeah, we also get
that some 'science types' dismiss that, also. Well, as with global warming
the VAST MAJORITY of actual experts agree that the flu vaccine is nearly
completely safe and effective enough to warrant its usage. But maybe you
should take a statistics course to read up further in lieu of believing those
so-called 'experts' at the Center For Disease Control or the Jonas Salk Institute.

I do not dismiss Global Warming. While there is a lot of rather questionable science related to global warming, there is also quite a lot of very sound science supporting it as well, with no reputable work to the contrary. Vaccinations do not have this same amount of support. While I would really enjoy it if all doctor's were experts in every field of medicine, and that all immunologists questioned research a little more, that is not the current standard. Most MDs, not all, spend less than 5 minutes with their patients, at least most of the ones I have been to. Of course they assume they know what's wrong with you before you even open your mouth. It only makes sense that they would carry this same lack of care into keeping up with research. As I mentioned, I have read quite a lot of papers over the years. Most support vaccinations, but there are also a few that don't, and I'm sorry to say, I do not trust the CDC, nor most other governmental or corporately funded 'science' organizations. I have experienced first hand how data can be skewed by preconceived notions, even when it is just caused by a superior within a reputable organization. I want to reiterate that I am not anti-vaccine, but I have not seen enough reputable sources of research to skew my decision, especially considering I feel I tend to be healthier than most people that do get vaccinated. Maybe some of the MDs out there could post up some of their recent research finds. I would also point out that known, sound science is proven wrong pretty routinely. I think the 'Heart Healthy' diet of 10 years ago is a good example of this. Cell phone use is another. DDT is yet another. In fact I seem to remember the commercial of the little girl in the field getting sprayed by DDT remarking how safe it was, yet now we know it causes Hodgkin's Lymphoma and of course the shell defects in our national bird. I won't even bother to make more than a remark about tobacco.

What this boils down to, is that I have not spent the time to investigate enough to make a decision. When it comes to really matter, I will spend the time and collect sources and keep track of what and where and finally make a conclusion. There are way too many diseases out there for which the mechanisms of cause are not understood, to somewhat blindly make decisions such as this.

PS I have taken college level statistics, numerical methods, graduate level Data & Error analysis and use statistical analysis in my vocation.

Didn't look at the data, but I thought the negative percentage was of interest. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2013/01/studies-flu-vaccine-effectiveness-waned-over-2011-12-season
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