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Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Nov 14, 2012 - 04:54pm PT
"No, there is no need for him to exonerate himself - he hasn't done anything wrong. Talking sh#t online should be taken with a grain of salt - buyer beware."

I agree completely, gdavis. Though I never found Jeff entertaining, I don't think he deserved to be banned.
Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber
San Francisco
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back

Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 05:43pm PT
Bring Fatty Kovar and Rox back

Why don't we "bring back" those who contributed, but gradually lost interest and quietly slipped away - because of the behaviour of people like RokJox?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:13pm PT
I've come round to your way of thinking hardman, on this and plenty of other things too. Just wanted to acknowledge that, and say


Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Nov 14, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
Cheers, DMT.

Credit goes to Mighty Hiker for that magnificent quote. ;-)

Trad climber
Nov 14, 2012 - 10:17pm PT
fattrad kicks ass! this will pay off down the road and on the rock Jeff!! i'm sending you good vibes and a virtual hug.
john hansen

Nov 14, 2012 - 11:49pm PT
I have always been a fan of Yosemite climbing history

In 2006 after our first pretty good year, I contributed $2000 dollars to Kens YCA.
My brother and I were in Yosemite and we got to meet Ken and check out some of the many relics, Salathe's rope and his meger rack of pins. Old biners and spools of rope from the nose FA. A Harding Bat Tent, it kinda smelled, and I actually got to hold one of the stoveleg pitons.

Since then I have contributed what I can. The company I am partners in has made some contributions to the YCA too.

Why give it to the goverment when you can give it to the orginazation of your choice?

I voted for Obama, but like Nature and most every one else,, I have no doubt that Jeff's contributions are real.



Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:12am PT
I'm not taking sides here, probably would make little or no difference, but, I do have this to say ...

Not saying that anyone necessarily does or doesn't deserve forgiveness, because that is besides the matter. But it is obvious there are some bitter feelings being held for whatever reason[s]. And, forgiveness is a very powerful thing, because it has healing powers. It heals not only the one being offered forgiveness, it also heals the one offering forgiveness. Something worth considering anyway!

edit: "heals" - transforms/changes a person for the better.

Studly - "I would rope up with Locker to, but ... Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places..." -- LOL!!

Trad climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:21am PT
I have to say I did not agree with Fatrads politcal bias, extremism and his "evil" moniker. However, I didn't think he should have been banned as he just seemed to like to stir up conflict, and in all other aspects seemed like a good guy. Following thru on his bet just goes to show he is a Man of his word. My hat is off to you Fatrad. I would rope up with you anytime. I'd rope up with Locker to, but I would tape a board over my ass. Ive seen that blue buttplug pop up in to many places...

Mountain climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Nov 15, 2012 - 12:44am PT
I appreciate fatty's donations that will positively influence many climbers for years to come.

This will make me unpopular, but I can't simply sweep under the rug the gigabytes of negative energy he purposefully posted here because of this financial contribution. I'm not that cheap.

Gym climber
It's not rocket surgery
Nov 15, 2012 - 02:02am PT
Fattrad is very generous, and would not go back on his word for a donation.
Re: his politics, include me out.
But he's fair on social issues.
Any way, thanks for the contributions, Fatty.
Patrick Sawyer

Originally California now Ireland
Nov 15, 2012 - 06:43pm PT
This year...

I have lost my closest brother, Mac, one of the world's finest winemakers by peer recognition, one of my favorite cousins (professor emerita LA State) just lost her husband, an excellent man, and I just lost a favorite cousin today to cancer.

And some of you are bitchin' about Jeff Elfont, a man who never knew me outside of the Taco Stand (until we met), but yet offered to help me. Yeah, his banter and bullshit and his politics were not to my liking, but maybe Fattrad has a heart that some of you do not see.

And I would just as soon as see on the Taco Stand posts from Jeff, LEB, Norton, Wes, etc etc than effing butt plugs, misogynist photos, and militaristic crap that some people post.

Social climber
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:39pm PT
What happened to DMT's "Kill 'em all" comment?

Thought it was the highlight of this thread, and I pictured such a frown on his face as he typed it.

Oh well, that one's for the history books I 'spose....

Trad climber
Can't get here from there
Nov 15, 2012 - 09:56pm PT
I tip my hat to you Jeff.
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